custom api console with 8200, 7600 and 7800

[George Necola]

ok..

I do understand each unit.. or at least I think so.

how does a custom setup with 16 channels for summing, master section looks like? espacially the connection part is important.

any experiences are welcome.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by George Necola

ok..

I do understand each unit.. or at least I think so.

how does a custom setup with 16 channels for summing, master section looks like? espacially the connection part is important.

any experiences are welcome.

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[API Sez...]

Originally Posted by George Necola

ok..

I do understand each unit.. or at least I think so.

how does a custom setup with 16 channels for summing, master section looks like? espacially the connection part is important.

any experiences are welcome.

We called it a DSM (Discrete Summing Mixer) and you can see what the rear connections look like here API DSM 24, 48 & 72 Console in a Rack

7600's can be substituted for the 8200's to get channel strip modules into a setup like this.

API no longer offers the DSM as a package as the 1608 has filled that need and then some.

[Syncamorea]

There goes the keyboard drool all over again.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by Syncamorea

There goes the keyboard drool all over again.

???

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by API Sez...

We called it a DSM (Discrete Summing Mixer) and you can see what the rear connections look like here API DSM 24, 48 & 72 Console in a Rack

7600's can be substituted for the 8200's to get channel strip modules into a setup like this.

API no longer offers the DSM as a package as the 1608 has filled that need and then some.

thank you!

so if I want so sum 16 channels, it would be possible with 2x 8200 and no master module? I just need to combine the 16 ins to 2 outs.. speaking of simple summing..

I deal with more difficult stuff these days, but somehow I can not get my head around it.. sorry API

[Syncamorea]

Originally Posted by George Necola

???

As in: I want.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by Syncamorea

As in: I want.

might be a language issue.. I am not native English. don't get what you want to tell me, but I guess I should feel offended?

[Syncamorea]

Originally Posted by George Necola

thank you!

so if I want so sum 16 channels, it would be possible with 2x 8200 and no master module? I just need to combine the 16 ins to 2 outs.. speaking of simple summing..

I deal with more difficult stuff these days, but somehow I can not get my head around it.. sorry API

The web page for the 8200 says:

"This unit requires an API 7800 or 8200A for all summing."

and the 8200A page says:

"Another notable feature of the API 8200A is that it may be used as both a standalone as well as in combination with standard API 8200s to create the ultimate summing solution."

So we'll see what API says but it looks like you could get an 8200 plus and 8200A and get what you're looking for.

[Syncamorea]

Originally Posted by George Necola

might be a language issue.. I am not native English. don't get what you want to tell me, but I guess I should feel offended?

I'm not at all trying to offend. What I was getting at is that this is one of my dream hardware solutions. To the point that reading about it caused the drool to run from my mouth onto my keyboard. It was just a joke. sorry.

[nobtwiddler]

You need one 8200. plus one 8200A. because the "A" has the summing amps.
That would give you 16 x 2

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by nobtwiddler

You need one 8200. plus one 8200A. because the "A" has the summing amps.
That would give you 16 x 2

expierences? thank you.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by Syncamorea

I'm not at all trying to offend. What I was getting at is that this is one of my dream hardware solutions. To the point that reading about it caused the drool to run from my mouth onto my keyboard. It was just a joke. sorry.

no prob.. thanx for clarification.. hard to follow jokes as a non native...

[API Sez...]

Originally Posted by nobtwiddler

You need one 8200. plus one 8200A. because the "A" has the summing amps.
That would give you 16 x 2

This is correct and the reason we made the 8200A - it is ideal if you just need to sum 8 or 16 (with an 8200) line level inputs to a stereo bus. You will usually need some kind of downstream master level control, however, as the 8200A has no output level control - just the summing amps.

The 7800 Master Module DOES give you that master volume control as well as other center section functions like Solo, Talkback and Send Masters.

Hope that helps.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by API Sez...

This is correct and the reason we made the 8200A - it is ideal if you just need to sum 8 or 16 (with an 8200) line level inputs to a stereo bus. You will usually need some kind of downstream master level control, however, as the 8200A has no output level control - just the summing amps.

The 7800 Master Module DOES give you that master volume control as well as other center section functions like Solo, Talkback and Send Masters.

Hope that helps.

thank you!

now the guys who use it?

[studio1117]

I have a baby API setup of 8-7600's and 3 8200's as well as the 7800 and the meater module. It's amazing. All API stuff is great.
If you need an excellent little summing mixer, the 8200's (a) are really great. If you would like a nice little master section the 7800 is an excellent choice to add. I use it to bring a few outboard pieces into my mix.

[Wiggy Neve Slut]

Originally Posted by API Sez...

This is correct and the reason we made the 8200A - it is ideal if you just need to sum 8 or 16 (with an 8200) line level inputs to a stereo bus. You will usually need some kind of downstream master level control, however, as the 8200A has no output level control - just the summing amps.

The 7800 Master Module DOES give you that master volume control as well as other center section functions like Solo, Talkback and Send Masters.

Hope that helps.

Is there a fader pack like the Neve?

If not how would one itegrate it into the above mentioned setups?

Also are there inserts? and if so are they balanced?

Thanks
wiggy

[down_town]

Hello George
Maybe shoot Allen Farmelo a email. Allen Farmelo | producer • mixer • engineer
He just made a summing console out of the API units. More info here.

The Console Is King: UM Project and Allen Farmelo Re-Imagine The Classic Console For A Modern Room : SonicScoop – Creative, Technical & Business Connections For NYC’s Music & Sound Community
Tape Op Magazine > Articles > Not the API Your Grandpa Mixed On

[TomD]

Originally Posted by George Necola

thank you!

now the guys who use it?

I have two 8200s and a 7800...so 16 channels. They sound great. I think it helps that I have a Lynx Aurora converter too. I personally feel there is no comparison to ITB...the bottom end is noticably punchier, it's that classic API sound on tap and the mixes sound big and wide. I mix all styles of music in here and this system has worked wonders for everything, just don't push it too hard for jazz and folk. Recommended!!!!!

[erikdrink]

Originally Posted by Syncamorea

I'm not at all trying to offend. What I was getting at is that this is one of my dream hardware solutions. To the point that reading about it caused the drool to run from my mouth onto my keyboard. It was just a joke. sorry.

[metaphonic]

Is API ever going to make the meter bridge available for purchase?

Have never been able to get an answer on this. (Owner of 2 x 8200's + 7800)

API?

[metaphonic]

Originally Posted by FatStudio

I like the API 8200,but on the 7800 I bypass the fader as it chokes the sound.

I just use the pre fader send and plug it in to the 2track ,sounds much better to me.

This was from an old post from another user....

Can anybody clarify exactly what this stereo fader is doing and the difference in the path of the ACA out (pre-stereo fader) and Booster out (post stereo fader). There is no block diagram for the 7800.

Is this relevant?
http://www.apiaudio.com/1608_block.pdf

Is it optimal to have the stereo fader wide open? It sounds good open, but is too hot going back into PT via a Lynx 16. (Meters for the 7800 would be nice...)

Any recs on solving this problem?

Many thanks,
Paul