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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollyweird
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| Uh oh, busted! Oh gee, ya guys busted me! Yep, I work for a competitor and this was one big ruse Sorry you guys can't handle contrary opinion and my opinion is simply that the Oasis is not worth it per the topic thread, you guys can jack each other off all ya want, I for one am not paying $8 grand for a bloated Casio... The customer is always right! I win. Glad to see "R&D" is alive and kicking in Korg... I do like the Micro Korg though, that one is cool. Keep your cool Dan, live to "R&D" another day. -a |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Up here
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| Lives for gear | Did Korg run over your childhood dog or steal your lunch money in high school? What's the real story? Why the venom? -Synth80s |
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| Lives for gear | Hey Dan, can you talk a bit about the converters inside the Oasys, and the hard disk system on board? What are the specs?.....and what company makes them ![]() |
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| | #125 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollyweird
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| Is the Oasys worth it? Ok guys, no one killed my dog, no agenda (i.e., I'm just a user or non-user like everyone else and have opinions and feelings like everyone else) So then, let's just answer the question: Is the Oasys worth it? $8,500.00 +/- and taxes. Yes or No. If yes, please tell us why. I.e. Is it better or replaces most or all the other keys you have in your studio or offers something truly different, i.e. that one keybaord covers your analogue keys, PCM modules, or other synthesis types... or adds something unique in addition. The DAW component is worth it, better or more convenient than your dedicated DAW. Your clients and/or your composition work justifies the cost factoring in the above, etc. No: It does not replace your current array of keys, analogue, FM, PCM modules, etc. It is not as good as your DAW, its converters, functionality, etc. and it does not pull in clients or allow you better creative or functionality in composition, etc. Then add whatever extra factors that serve you personally or emotionally. Is the one Oasys keyboard worth $8,500.00 or what else can you buy for that same money? To each their own answer, that simple. -a DIRTY HALO |
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| Lives for gear | Just a question for you Dirty halo, supose as a skilled player or writer I like the Oasys....why would I have to justify it? Couldn't I just like it because..I like it...if you know what I mean.. Just like....how do you justify this at over $100,000 http://www.pianoworks.com/Bosendorfer_290.html Or this at a quarter to Half a million http://www.rodgersinstruments.com/tr...aster1058.html I could tell you why I like it but I do not have to justify it I paid close to $7000 for my Oberheim matrix 12 when it came out 1986. I paid close to $4000 for a prophet 5 when it came out . I get your point,,,you don't like it....move on dog!!! |
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24-bit Dynamic Range: 113 dB THD+N: 0.001% http://chipcatalog.com/TI/PCM1793.htm A/D are TI PCM1802: 24-bit THD+N: 96 dB (Typical) SNR: 105 dB (Typical) Dynamic Range: 105 dB (Typical) http://chipcatalog.com/TI/PCM1802.htm HDR is not a separate system; it uses the system converters, main CPU, etc. Best regards, Dan Phillips
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollyweird
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Why should I move on? Why are you so threatened? Your answer appears to be yes and I listed "emotional" response as a valid reason; you don't mind paying $8,500.00 because you just like it. That's great. Other people posted "Is it Worth it?" so they can figure out if the functionality is worth the cost. That's the bottom line. Do you wnat to stop discussing the topic of this thread? Start a new one, start your own "let's all just glow about our purhcase" thread. And lastly, if you can tell me why YOU get why I don't think it is worth it, please tell me why.... I bet you don't have a clue. -a | |
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I've waisted enough time fuuck ...got songs to work on | |
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| | #132 |
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| Yeah, I'm strange ...strange to think that spending $8,500.00 on a so so synth/DAW is not the best use of my money? Curious, you seem to be disturbed by all this. Insecure about your purchase by chance? Hmmm... BUT, let's call a truce for a moment. Really. For one second, let's both get out of our egos and consider this thread. The reason I challenge Korg's concept is for this reason: 1. My studio is centered around an SSL with both outboard gear (classic vintage and new alike) and Pro Tools HD with all sorts of plugs. Along with that, I run the whole range of hardware synths, offering the full range of synthesis from all sorts of designers, keys from Wurlitzers to custom pieces and soft-synths as well, collectively delivering the best of both the hardware world and software. So, at $8,500.00, why would I want this keyboard that isn't as good as the DAW I have, collectively not as good as all the synths/keys I own, not as good as the outboard gear I have, either hardware or software and doesn't offer a new sound, per se. Ok, so then maybe it is not for me, perhaps a different customer... 2. Your guy who can't afford a console or Pro Tools, who can't afford a lot of synths or outboard gear, maybe a complete workstation is for that person... but how the hell is THAT guy going to afford an $8,500.00 workstation? Is it for the hobby guy? Kinda out of that league price-wise. is it the pro? Kinda jack-of all trades, master of none. My point is, who's buying this? Who is this designed for? I am sincerely asking. I'm not just ranting, I just don't get it. And you can be childish and lay into me now, call me names or whatever, but at least consider the thinking OR share with me YOUR thinking. Why did YOU buy it? Is it worth it? I've got nothing against Korg, in fact, even with some of the world's most expensive keyboards in our studiom I think the MS2000 and Micro Korg are some of the coolest things out there. They are unique and make sense to me, both musically and marketing. And yes, I'm currently on the road and spending WAY too much time in hotel rooms, which is probably why I'm rambling here when I'd normally be doing something better with my time. but I love music and keyboards and would like Korg to do better. That's just my thoughts. Let's hear yours. -a Dirty Halo |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002
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For me, it's not worth it...my studio is more of a personal/project studio and I suck as a player. If I were to open my studio up commercially, though, I could see where it may be a wise investment if it were to draw clients in. In any case, even though it's not worth it for me I don't take issue with the people who do find it to be worth it and am not sure why you do. But it certainly makes the thread more entertaining than it would have been otherwise. -Duardo | |
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| | #134 | |
| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollyweird
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Did I or did I not simply ask, I don't find this worth it and don't get it, who does and if so, share why. What I DO take acception to are people who can't take debate and confuse that as an attack, the same kind of thinking the Bush administration employs when they call anyone who questions war in Iraq as unpatriotic. Don't confuse a voice of discent with anything but exactly that. -a | |
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| | #135 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollyweird
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| The big irony... The irony is that everyone seems to be using this thread as entertainment, nothing more Go back and tell me when was the last time someone specifically stated if they thought the Oasys is worth it, if so, why...if not, why. I believe I'm the only one lately actually contributing to the orignal question here... but since people don't like what they are hearing, it's become about attacks...that's what I find pathetic. So let's just close this thread by asking the person who started it: Do YOU think the Oasys is worth it? Yes. No. And why? Then let's lock this thread. -a |
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| | #136 |
| Gear nut Join Date: May 2005 Location: Folsom, CA USA
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| Thanks for "listening", Dan. I guess to be fair, it would have been nice to have a trained sales person show me the ropes on the Oasis. I have to admit that the synth does quite a bit. But it was also frustrating to go it alone to demo the sounds. In the past I have owned Kuzweil K2000S, Oberheim OBx-a, Oberheim OB-1, ARP 2600, Minimoog, B-3 and M-3, Prophet 5. EMU Proteus 1 & 2, Yamaha CP-80, Hohner Clavinet, Hohner Pianet, Mellotron, Fender Rhodes Suitcase and Roland 880. Now I just own a Roland VR-760 with MotionSound 145 and a Yamaha C7grand along with the usual Roland, Tascam Giga and Reason virtual synths. My point is I would have thought that having this type of keyboard/synth experience would make it intuitive to manuever the Oasis. I would be willing to demo it again if either you could point me to a store that has a fully trained salsperson or send me a demo CD with the sounds I was looking for. I live in Folsom, CA, but would be willing to travel few hundred miles. I don't think the price is really unreasonable given what I had paid for my previous keyoards in the past. The $3,500 I paid for B-3 back in 1972 is probably around $20K in today's dollars. Thanks Dan!
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Quoting myself from earlier posts: "OASYS' value proposition is the fact that it's *potentially* an all-in-one solution for composing, sequencing, performing, etc. and it has an expandable feature set because it has an OS designed for change rather than full stop product replacement. Sure, you could by a laptop, some soft synths, external modules, etc., but that's not the point. You can also take a Dodge Neon and turbocharge it to within an inch of its life to get sub 5 second 0-60 times, but it's still not a Porsche. Imagine having an elegant, powerful system that allows you to house multiple synthesis varieties and recording capabilities in a single keyboard case. Again, I haven't used it, but if Korg continued to develop a killer musician-oriented stable OS and the price gradually comes down withe future iterations, it could be the best system since the Synclavier or Fairlight." "Ask yourself this: if you were a successful musician/producer (e.g. one who could afford the OASYS) who frequently travels and wanted to compose/arrange/record on the road, wouldn't an all-in-one system offering multiples forms of synthesis, recording, a good-sized screen and a good user interface be of value to you? Understandably, some might prefer a powerful laptop loaded with soft synths and some minimal outboard gear (firewire audio/midi adapter, USB keyboard), but I think the idea of a powerful, expandable all-in-one workstation is valuable for some people. Obviously it's not for everyone, but as long as it sells well enough to meet Korg's expectations and it proves useful to those who purchase it, why hate it? I think an OASYS and some good Sennheiser headphones could make for an ideal hotel room scratch pad." "I think it's different because it has a dedicated, upgradeable OS based on a Linux kernel, so modes of synthesis and recording features can be added in software, not in hardware. The architecture is much less limited than that of a Triton or Motif. I view it more as a modern Synclavier or Fairlight, but much easier and less expensive to upgrade. I've got some friends who work in music equipment sales. The Tritons and Motifs still move off the shelves primarily because they're much more reliable than most computer-based setups and they simply work out of the box with no loading and configuration of software, drivers, etc. I've been using DAWs since the age of the 286, so I'm no technophobe, but I know a lot of musicians want to steer clear of computers as best they can. Computers are obviously prominent in music, but a lot of people use them in conjunction with DAWs, not as a total replacement." -Synth80s | |
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Not surprisingly, however, other people may have a different opinion. Herbie Hancock and Jordan Rudess, for example, seem to like it quite a bit (Jordan sold off a bunch of gear to get *three* OASYS keyboards, two for the road and one for his studio). As noted earlier, I'm told that both Brian Eno and Peter Gabriel are digging OASYS as well. Clearly they have reached a conclusion different from you. That's fine, and does not invalidate your opinion - but it also shows that yours are not the only possible conclusions, as you imply by repeatedly discounting any positive opinions about OASYS as people merely "justifying their purchase," being "insecure," etc. Quote:
OASYS makes new sounds (and, I personally feel, interesting and aesthetically pleasing sounds as well) via various technologies, such as wave sequencing, various cool features in the AL-1 (such as the Multi Filter), and the physical modeling of the STR-1. It pushes quality envelopes with the low aliasing of both the sample playback and VA oscillators (via completely different mechanisms), the frequency range of its resonant fiters, the smoothness and speed (updates every 32 samples, and then smoothed at the sample rate) of its EGs, LFOs, step sequencers, etc, and by locking all programmable modulation to the sample rate so that nothing slows down or jitters even when the system is pushed to the max. It offers players many different built-in physical controls (X-Y joystick, vector joystick, ribbon, switches, knobs, and sliders), with a modulation architecture designed to match, and sounds that use all of them in a creative and musical manner. None of that may matter to you, and if so that's completely fine. Musical instruments are always subject to taste, and tastes differ. - Dan | |||
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| Lives for gear | "Ask yourself this: if you were a successful musician/producer (e.g. one who could afford the OASYS) who frequently travels and wanted to compose/arrange/record on the road, wouldn't an all-in-one system offering multiples forms of synthesis, recording, a good-sized screen and a good user interface be of value to you? Understandably, some might prefer a powerful laptop loaded with soft synths and some minimal outboard gear (firewire audio/midi adapter, USB keyboard), but I think the idea of a powerful, expandable all-in-one workstation is valuable for some people. Obviously it's not for everyone, but as long as it sells well enough to meet Korg's expectations and it proves useful to those who purchase it, why hate it? I think an OASYS and some good Sennheiser headphones could make for an ideal hotel room scratch pad." Thats my point exactly. I did not disagree with your opinion (Dirty Halo), you are entitled to it. Your replies were getting redundant. 1st of all ....I'm not one who bought the Oasys. but when I checked it out i thought it was good workstation. Yea it's pricey but it sounded better then a Motif or fantom x to me! I'm glad you have a lot of vintage gear, I'll be looking forward to hearing your synth work on your web site. I'm sure it's the cats meow |
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As for looking forward to hearing my music, thank you, but I'm postive you've already heard it. Positive. ![]() -a | |
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| Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2005
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you don't think it's worth it? don't buy it. let dan get back to his job. he's been more than kind to answer your inane comments. ps.. the first couple pages were actually funny. now it's back to work time! | |
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Someone brought up the hotel travel scatch pad angle, soI was curious how I could use it and then translate that work back into the main studio in L.A. I apologize and am moving on, please let me do that and please do the same. Peace. -a DIRTY HALO | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollyweird
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| So, I finally post a question where I ask a question about potential usefullness and functionality for me to try and look at the "value" of the Oasys for me from a different angle and suddenly, nothing. Zero. I guess, this thread was more about entertainment for everyone else, enjoying ripping into me and having a good controversy. Ok. Well then, I guess that's my answer. So, to give you more of what you really want, that used Oasys that has already hit eBay so soon after release, couldn't even sell at thousands off the orignal price. "Is the Oasys worth it?' Guess the answer is no. NOW, I'm sure I'll get some replies... ...or do you want to answer my previous question? What are you more about? -a |
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A few people (myself included) have already suggested that they think the OASYS is a worthy, impressive instrument but you're conveniently ignoring those valid viewpoints. If you're expecting 100 users to parachute into this thread gushing about the OASYS, it's not going to happen -- GS is the wrong place and this is the wrong thread. But making the logical leap to suggest that the OASYS is worthless because nobody is responding to your loaded questions is total horseshit. Sometimes it's not about the question, but how it's asked and by whom. You've repeatedly bragged about the fact that you own or have owned every desireable synth on the earth and your ability to afford any synth that comes along -- good for you. Why not just go buy something else and leave it alone? Voting with your wallet will send the strongest message to Korg that you're not interested in OASYS. Or better yet, why not develop a better instrument and show Korg how it's done? Remember, you're the guy with all the ideas. You're always right. You have your finger on the pulse of synth buyers everywhere. Why not expend your energy in some positive way? -Synth80s Quote:
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollyweird
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| Really? Really it sold? At what price? For how much more than the original asking price? Please, share that info. Oh, and here we are again, ya guys just love this entertainment, don't ya? Perhaps I'm guilty of everthing you say, but if you aren't hipocrits, you're at least delusional... look how you all jump in now...and for what? No real info anymore, just Fox news style entertainment. Pathetic. Stop replying to me then. Stop the same behaviour you accuse me of if you aren't going to contriburte any info. I bet you can't help yourselves, can you? Close this thread, we now all know what the Oasys is worth ![]() CLOSE THIS THREAD, please, for the love of God! ![]() -a |
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CLICK HERE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7419168607 Seriously, did you even look at the eBay link? WTF? The item sold for the asking price of $6,200. How is this confusing for you? Why does this auction even matter? Aside from providing you another opportunity to spread false information, it says nothing about Korg or the OASYS.Quote:
Now: "Stop replying to me. I dare you." You need to seek mental help. I'm not kidding. Synth80s has left the thread... | ||
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollyweird
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...And thus you prove my point perfectly. Thank you! Oh, and I should check into this "eBay" thing you're teaching me all about; I heard you can buy virtually brand new over-priced keyboards for thousands of dollars off their original price. Thanks for the tip! I had no idea. Keep up the good work guys! -a | |
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