IS the Oasis worth it?

[NuSkoolTone]

Originally Posted by DaveH

(I have a DX7, Prophet-5, Access Virus T1, Korg Triton, Roland V-synth,
Roland FantomXR, Nord Rack3, Nord Modular G2,Yamaha Motif, Poly-Evolver over 40 synths here in all).

As a new product designer I saw Karma like software in Israel in
the late 80’s

Where are the REALLY new breakthroughs????????????

It is time to stop emulating old stuf. (Yes it sounds good, but
is it slowing down progress)?

Time to stop patching together a bunch of "pieces" of exsisting stuff
and calling it "new".

============= Raving stops ========================

My answer to initial question still is, don’t borrow money.
If you must have it, work hard, save, pay cash !!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, what a boring answer ..........................

Even though it's a de-railment from the thread, gotta put my $.02 here. I have YET to play a VA that lets me "hear/feel" the VOLTAGE of an analog synth coming out the speakers. To me it is akin to a raging tube amp vs. Solid state and it is the Holy Grail. Same deal with Hammonds. THIS is why we keep trying to emulate it because it IS the holy grail IMO.

The Analog part is SO sought after that REAL analog is making a comeback in recent years.

I also wouldn't be suprised if someone devised a way to re-invent the tone wheel in a solid, reliable mechanical fashion and basically revamped the hammond.
If they managed to get the sound, and keep the weight down, there'd probably be a market for it. I think more people are after Analog than B3's though so I'd tackle that market FIRST. Note I say this, not having played the most Recent crop of B3 wanna be synths. Not that they come out with new models that often anyhow... another tangent..... if I recall Keboard Magazine did a "B3 shootout" and forgot to add a REAL B3 in the lineup(!)....just goes to show the state of things.


I think Yamah had some REAL cool stuff that should go in their next synth. If they do the EX5 RIGHT this time. They could have a winner.

The OASYS needs a Brass/Sax Model if it doesn't have one already. I miss the VL that was in my EX5.... but that's another story.


In closing I concur there hasn't been much exciting innovation since about 1995. Everything else is just evolutionary stuff with "more of" and "better specs" IMO.


Oh yeah.. I agree don't borrow money to buy a synth. It might be the price of a used car.. but it's not!

[Synth80s]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

You're wrong. Sorry. Just wrong.

Well it's clear that this has been your position on this thread from the start. You're right and everyone else is wrong. If this is how you think, what's the point? I've suggested, and I'll say it again, that none of us have the magic design to the perfect product because each of us wants something different. Or you're right and everyone else is wrong...you choose.

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

You're more then welcome to subscribe to whatever theory you like, but acting like sheep and saying, "well, if that's what the masses want then gee, great, I'll accept it and not speak up!"

Again, this is predicated on my liking a product that you don't. If I think the OASYS is sexy and drool-worthy and you don't, I'm a mindless sheep who doesn't speak up. Bias is a powerful thing.

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

And if you think the success or failure of a company is only based on the product, again, go back to business school. There's more to business than that, much more. Kyma and the Capabyra, yes VERY innovative. Huge? Nope... Poly-Evolver, great synth! Huge? Nope.

I made the exact same point before -- you must have missed it. Did you not see my comment about Sequential and Waldorf? Great products. Bad businesses. My point was (and is), the fact that Yamaha, Roland and Korg are still around means they must know how to run their respective businesses regardless of how well they appeal to the small percentage of musicians who would rather see them make $8,000 modern analog polysynths.

I'm suggesting ideas or ways of looking at things -- you're suggesting concrete answers to every question. If you've already worked in the industry, have plenty of money and you're so certain you're right, why not start your own company and see if you can succeed where you perceive that the current companies are failing you?

What alternative synth would you build for $8,000 and how do you think it would sell? I'm honestly asking the question, not trying to start shit. What form of synthesis/synthesizer would you like to see for that $$$ which isn't on the market?

-Synth80s

[synthoid]

Anybody leery of this thing not because of the cost but simply because, like me, they don't like to have all their stuff inside one box?

I don't want all my stuff in one box. Unless it's my cell phone haha.

Seriously though, the surface of a keyboard is big but only so big. That's your interface. I prefer a sequencer interface over there, a mixer interface over here, a synth interface or two or three or four over there, and so on. I look at my studio and count up the surface area that controls the equivalent of what's in the Oasys and it's like 10x as many buttons and controls and displays as the Oasys has.

I feel the same way about jamming everything into a computer.

Taking it to the hotel? You can't really use half of its capabilities in a hotel room. Gonna mix with no monitors? Track with no mics? Wouldn't you be better off with something lots smaller and lighter than 60lbs?

One final observation and then I'll shuddup. The kind of folks that pop $8000 for a keyboard want the best of everything. But the Oasys can't be the best of *everything* for very long. It's not gonna be PT HD and Virus and V-Synth and MPC and you name it. Even if it is now it can't hold that position for hold. So it looks to me like the best of everything folks will inevitably have to focus on some of its aspects (say physical modeling or ... who knows) as the real reason for getting it, and then integrate it into their rigs like any other board. But then its high price will work against it.

-synthoid

[papiel]

Originally Posted by DaveH

As a new product designer I saw Karma like software in Israel in
the late 80’s

What was it?

[Dirty Halo]

The original question was, "Is the Oasys worth it?"

Clearly my and a few other's answers is "no."

I've never said one bad thing to Dan, unless you count on-point critique of what I as a user would rather see and how I feel the Oasys failed per the orignal question.

That's not personal or an attack at all, that's life. And Dan is in R&D, his job IS exactly this kind of stuff in order to trully develop. I believe the only tiem I took exception was when I felt he wasn't listening per R&D.

So, if someone REALLY wants to posts this thread, then they should be prepared to hear them, if they just want to feel justified for their purchase, the don't bother.

I only utilize my time here because I'd like to see Korg make cool innovative keyboards that I would buy... how about Eno's ideas, I'd love to know when we'll see those implemented.

These are ideas, opinions and gear talk...why take such offense?

-a

[JohnNy C]

THe question isn't if the Oasys is worth it, it's if it fits what you need to get done in the budget you have to work with. If you have 8 grand to drop on, what I am sure is a stellar peice of gear and it covers the ground you need it to, then by all means go out and pick one up. If you can cover those grounds with less money, more effectively with other pieces of kit, then I would personally go that way. If you need a portable power house, then go Oasys, if you have room for gear then buy separate pieces. With 8 grand you can pick up some mean kit man.

[Synth80s]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

I only utilize my time here because I'd like to see Korg make cool innovative keyboards that I would buy

What would you like to see? What type(s) of synthesis? What form factor? What price point? It sounds like you've used a lot of synths and I'm clearly a synth fan (hence the username), so I'd like to know what you're looking for Korg or others to make that's not already in the marketplace. Dan is in R&D and he's on the thread -- we know you don't like the OASYS, but would you rather see in the marketplace?

One thing I'd like to see is a digitally controlled synth with an all analog signal path. It would have USB and/or Firewire so it could be controlled and edited using a PC or Mac using a software plug-in (like a VST), but the analog I/O would be on the synth itself. As an option, it could offer built in A/D and D/A so the audio could also be routed in/out of the computer via USB/firewire using the same plug-in. Basically, it would be like a Virus TI but all analog.

-Synth80s

[DaveH]

Originally Posted by Synth80s

When you look at the more innovative synths of the last 20 years, most have not sold well -Synth80s

Sadly I agree that the more innovative synths have not sold all that well.
Someone has to take the risk. If it is really new, and innovative it can be:

1. Too expensive.
2. Too far ahead of its time to be clearly understood.
3. Or have manufacturability/parts) sourcing problems.

I worked in a new product “think tank” for 4.5 years. After looking
at the track record, most new products were 7 – 10 years ahead of their
time and the company supporting this effort simply did not know what
to do to make and market a lot of what came out of this group.
(They shut the group down 1 year after I left and started my own business).

Originally Posted by Synth80s

What alternate form of synthesis do you think or do you wish would succeed in a mainstream product? -Synth80s

I have just recently experimenting with Capybra/Kyma X system to help give
me some ideas.

I thing the Hartmann Neuron was an interesting idea. I never saw whether
the unit really worked or not before the company’s demise.

I believe that some form of neural nets or expert knowledge system could
help “twist” a synth into something new.

(Hey, just me dreaming again).

[DaveH]

Originally Posted by papiel

What was it?

This was a never release product as far as I know.

As a new product developer I was shown (by two companies in Israel)
I bunch of educational software. As almost a side issue they showed this “music keyboard” application that did a bunch of “Karma” like stuff. (And more as well).

Sorry I can be more help, this was about 20 years ago. (Doing a quick check to see
if I can find any notes).

[papiel]

Hi DaveH

I'm living in Israel, that's why I'm curious about the products you mentioned. Maybe just someone I know

Eldad

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by Synth80s

What would you like to see? What type(s) of synthesis? What form factor? What price point? It sounds like you've used a lot of synths and I'm clearly a synth fan (hence the username), so I'd like to know what you're looking for Korg or others to make that's not already in the marketplace. Dan is in R&D and he's on the thread -- we know you don't like the OASYS, but would you rather see in the marketplace?

One thing I'd like to see is a digitally controlled synth with an all analog signal path. It would have USB and/or Firewire so it could be controlled and edited using a PC or Mac using a software plug-in (like a VST), but the analog I/O would be on the synth itself. As an option, it could offer built in A/D and D/A so the audio could also be routed in/out of the computer via USB/firewire using the same plug-in. Basically, it would be like a Virus TI but all analog.

-Synth80s

I also have a Hartmans Hueron, I think THAT was a cool new type of sythesis that didn't even scratch the surface...I'd love to see Korg go down that road.

I'd love your idea of a digitally controlled analogue path.

I'd love someone to go a flesh out the ideas that are in Absynth, puut in analogue filters and make a harware keyboard...

And that's just a few.

-a

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com

[Dirty Halo]

Ok, o ly a mere few weeks from me getting shouted down by you guys and EVERY point I brought up is coming true BEFORE even I thought it possible.

1. You're great Oasys is already showing up on ebay for thousands of dollars less than it was new just a ew months ago...hmmm.

2. Don't even tell me you're not hocking off parts or it with that new Korg.

3. Lastly, why argue with your customers? You can either rationalize your work or actual do the "R" and "D' part of your title, which should involve listening to new ideas or correcting bad ones, rather than giving excuses.

With the price of your big old Oasys dropping like a brick, I'd get a little humility and read back over this whole thread.

Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just want you to make gear that I'd love to buy and use...not see more tired re-hash of some old concept I already bought and went bad years ago.

-andrews

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com


P.S. It's funny, when we get sponsored by a copmany like Moog or Nord or whomever, they actually want feedback, you don't sponsor us or give us a thing and STILL don't try and learn from a piece of advice.

[Synth80s]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

You're great Oasys is already showing up on ebay for thousands of dollars less than it was new just a ew months ago...hmmm.

Your post made me curious so I did an eBay search of current and completed items. There is one open auction for a used OASYS and no other auctions in the last 15 days.

http://cgi.ebay.com/KORG-OASYS-WORKS...temZ7419168607

The item curently has no bids. Will it sell? We don't know yet. If so, will it sell for the current asking price or higher? None of us know -- the auction doesn't end for another 6+ days.

If it does sell and the price is somewhere between $6,200 (asking bid) and $7,999 (MSRP), that doesn't really tell us anything other than expensive new musical instruments, like expensive new cars, immediate lose a little bit of their value once they have been driven off the lot (err...taken out of the box and played) 99% of the time.

It's a little early to jump to any conclusions.

-Synth80s

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

2. Don't even tell me you're not hocking off parts or it with that new Korg.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

3. Lastly, why argue with your customers?

I listen to my customers all the time, and have been doing so for a decade and a half. Ask some of them, if you like - see what they think of me on the Korg Forums, or the KARMA forums, or the oasys-pci mailing list.

I will address mis-statements about my products, however, which if I understand correctly is what you are objecting to.

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk,

Read over your comments in this thread. Ask yourself if you seem to show scorn or derision; ask yourself if there might have been a few taunts to Korg, to myself, and to OASYS owners.

I believe that you haven't been trying to be a jerk. However, I'd turn that question around: have you been trying to *not* be a jerk?

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

P.S. It's funny, when we get sponsored by a copmany like Moog or Nord or whomever, they actually want feedback, you don't sponsor us or give us a thing and STILL don't try and learn from a piece of advice.

I listen to all manner of advice - but I don't allow mis-statements to stand. You just called OASYS a "rehash," for instance, which shows that you might still not really understand what it does and how it works.

- Dan

[Dirty Halo]

Ok, if you can honestly say that the Korg Oasys is a 100% new concept and wasn't an older concept keyboard, then a card and a few other previous attempts at the same concept that Korg tried to sell years ago and a few years before that (I myself remember you guys hocking a PCI card version of it at NAMM years back filled with promises that never came true...)

But hey, if ya want to tell me this is really new, then go ahead.

And secondly, the question isn't HOW much the Oasys will sell for on eBay, but WHY it is already on eBay and IF it will sell (the price will only be added curiosity)

Look, yes, I sound like a jerk and I am riding you guys, but it's only becuase I don't buy this thing and I know you can do better. Sorry. You can.

I have a TON of keyboards and I'm no cheapo...I'm a full-on slut, from the newest gear to massive Fairlight and Synclavier systems...it's just that I want to see something NEW and I don't see it here.

And to many other people on this forum, if you're trying to justify your purchase and feel better ab out, then go play your keyboard, no need to be defensive. The orignal thread was "Is the Oasys worth it?" I'm just participating in that thread and if you don't like the answers, don't read 'em.

Can you really tell me that THIS keyboard is THE resounding success and has put Korg on top of the market?

Doesn't mean you won't come out with something great or can't. You will...I hope.

-andrews

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com

[Sharp11]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

And secondly, the question isn't HOW much the Oasys will sell for on eBay, but WHY it is already on eBay and IF it will sell (the price will only be added curiosity)

-andrews

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com

Maybe the guy who bought it couldn't afford it?

Perhaps it wasn't a good fit?

Could it be a dealer offing a demo?

Maybe even the person who bought it doesn't like it?

So what, it's one freakin' Oasys on Ebay, it means nothing.

On the other hand, your pathological rants against an electronic appliance is truly weird, but amusing.

Ed

[Synth80s]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

And secondly, the question isn't HOW much the Oasys will sell for on eBay, but WHY it is already on eBay and IF it will sell (the price will only be added curiosity)

One of your main points throughout this thread has been that the OASYS would have terrible resale and you've made a strong point about the resale price before a single eBay OASYS has sold (or not sold). Now you're saying it's not about price, but about the WHY. Right.

So why is it on eBay? I don't know and you don't either. The seller could love it but need the money. He could also could hate it. People buy new cars and sell them a month later for all kinds of reasons (which is finanically dumb, but it happens every day). Why not ask the seller for details rather than jump to conclusions? His auction says "I love it cuz it's unbelievable but is way more then I could ever use." He must be lying, right?

You name almost any new product and I can find you someone who bought it and sold it shortly thereafter. Unless you know more about that person's reasoning, you have no idea if the quick sale is a reflection of the product's quality.

We all know you dislike the OASYS, and that's you prerogative, but one guy selling one used OASYS on eBay does not indicate that the product is a failure (unless that's what you want to see).

-Synth80s

P.S. If I were looking to buy a new $8,000 musical instrument, I probably wouldn't buy it used for 20% less off eBay (which says more about eBay than the product). I'm guessing I'm not alone in that logic.

[pianodano]

I don't see the price as being out of line. My 1955 Hammond cost as much as a new Chevy when it was built and I am pretty sure a new one is around 25K. Recently while in Raleigh I played quite a few pianos that were over 40K. I have both a Yamaha Tyros and Korg PA 80 which I use for developing ideas and I consider these instruments a lot of bang for the buck.

Regards,

Danny

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Ok, if you can honestly say that the Korg Oasys is a 100% new concept and wasn't an older concept keyboard, then a card and a few other previous attempts at the same concept that Korg tried to sell years ago and a few years before that

But hey, if ya want to tell me this is really new, then go ahead.

Speaking as someone who's been building gear for a while now, almost nothing is 100% new. Everything builds on stuff that went before. There's a little space between that and "re-hash," I think...

I worked on the original OASYS keyboard, and OASYS PCI, and now the new OASYS. The new OASYS sounds better (in measurable ways - not merely subjective), does a whole lot more (both in terms of the complexity of the algorithms, and the number of voices it can play), and is *completely* different under the hood. Every line of code for realtime audio functionality is new.

No previous Korg synths can sound like OASYS, or do what OASYS does in any particular area (e.g., sample playback, VA, physical modeling, wave sequencing etc.). The VA oscillators and filters are new. The sample playback oscillators are new. The envelopes and LFOs are new (as are the step sequencers and modulation mixers). The physically modeled string is new. Wave sequencing has more new features than old. Many of the effects are new.

Finally, OASYS dynamically allocates voices between any and all models, with protection against system overs, which as far as I'm aware of no other system does. (The original OASYS was designed to have something similar, but (a) it was more limited, (b) it used a completely different method for doing so, and (c) it was never really up and running anyway.)

Personally, that doesn't sound like a re-hash to me.

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Can you really tell me that THIS keyboard is THE resounding success and has put Korg on top of the market?

I'm in R&D, and not sales, so I'll try to answer that question from a Gearslutz perspective (even though there's no way on earth that anyone other than my close friends would or should believe my answer): I love it, and OASYS has at least currently satisfied my personal synth-gear lust. The only thing I really want at the moment is a production unit to replace my well-loved but ugly prototype.

I think that the price, the sequencer and HDR, and perhaps the brand name have distracted a particular set of synth connoisseurs from actually looking at what the OASYS does as a synth (particularly in the wave sequencing, VA, and physical modeling areas). I hope that the reality of what it does and how it sounds will eventually change this group's perception, but I know that you can't please everyone all the time - and since I hear that folks like Eno and Peter Gabriel are digging it, I'm satisfied that we've done our job well enough for now.

- Dan

[Dirty Halo]

Hmm...ok, I guess I've heard from the same three guys justifing their purchase enough. So, I'm very happy for you.

Otherwise, not much interest in this "thing" from anyone else, it would seem.

I don't really have a "pathological" interest here either (but nice attack, kinda desperate though), so I'll move on... just trying to address the actual orignal thread, which seems to me is really everyone else just trying to justify their purchase.

No matter. Enjoy.

Just one last question: If you don't question anything and don't really seem to listen to any voice concer or opposition, why bother being on this forum? Just go enjoy your Korg.

I've heard a lot of defensive replies, not much "Is it worth it" replies and not much "research" or "development" from our Korg member. I'd suggest you guys go start your own Oasis blog and just say nice things to each other, it might not ruffle your feathers so badly.

When you want to think, be challenged or consider a real subject, come back and be prepared to do more than justify what you already bought or built. Perhaps listen and try to learn.

The rest of us here like to challenge, learn, pick-apart and understand to make better music.

-a

[Synth80s]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Just one last question: If you don't question anything and don't really seem to listen to any voice concer or opposition, why bother being on this forum? Just go enjoy your Korg.

When you want to think, be challenged or consider a real subject, come back and be prepared to do more than justify what you already bought or built. Perhaps listen and try to learn.

The rest of us here like to challenge, learn, pick-apart and understand to make better music.

-a

Translation: I hate the OASYS. If you disagree with me and you think the OASYS is interesting, you're mindless, blind and not worthy of posting on GS. I'm right, everyone else is wrong.

FYI: I don't own an OASYS and I have no plans to purchase an OASYS but I do think it's an interesting concept and I do think there are people for whom it is worthwhile. My opinion is equally valid to yours.

-Synth80s

[Duardo]

Otherwise, not much interest in this "thing" from anyone else, it would seem.

From anyone else on this forum, you mean...is this really the place where you think Korg's target audience hangs out?

-Duardo

[Fearless1]

This thread got me curious, so I tried one for about 3 hours at the Big Box.
Unfortunately, there was no sales person that really knew how to make the thing sound like I wanted it to. Not surprised, since Big Box Boys are really no more knowledeable than Macy's undergarment counter sales ladies. This was evident when the salesperson left me to try to convince another customer to buy a Behringer pre.

Two sounds would wow me to purchase the keyboard. The high price of the Oasis really doesn't matter to me.

The number one sound, can it emulate a Hammond B-3?
I was looking for that sound set with the Chorous on C3 and the first 4 drawbars pulled out with the tubey fat almost metallic distortion and plastic horn resonance from the Leslie.

Nothing even close came out that thing. The Leslie emulation was one of the worst I've heard!

Other than the real thing, the closest portable keyboard I have that has a "it passes for now" is my Roland VR 760 through my Motion Sound 145.

The number two sound I want is that fat analog sound of my old Oberheim Obx-a.
Again, I couldn't get that fat sound out of that thing. It sounded pretty anorexic to me.

I wasn't testing the piano sounds in detail, because I have a Yamaha grand.
(It would be great to emulate the pedal noise)

So is the Oasis worth it?
Not to for me.

So Korg, if you're listening, make those two sounds like I described above and I would buy it at your asking price.

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by Fearless1

The number one sound, can it emulate a Hammond B-3?
I was looking for that sound set with the Chorous on C3 and the first 4 drawbars pulled out with the tubey fat almost metallic distortion and plastic horn resonance from the Leslie.

Nothing even close came out that thing. The Leslie emulation was one of the worst I've heard!

I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but I must confess that I'm a little baffled. I guess I have to wonder what sounds you were listening to, since the Hammond and Leslie models are slightly improved versions of the CX-3, which garnered a Key Buy from Keyboard magazine. The CX-3 sounds are in bank USER-F. It's a pity that the folks on the floor weren't able to help you more; it's kind of a bummer, since three hours is a very generous amount of time to spend with a synth. Unfortunately, I know that it's impossible to please everyone. But, different strokes for different folks; here's what Chuck Leavell says about the CX-3:

http://www.korg.com/sbytes/article.asp?ArtistID=56

- Dan

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by Synth80s

Translation: I hate the OASYS. If you disagree with me and you think the OASYS is interesting, you're mindless, blind and not worthy of posting on GS. I'm right, everyone else is wrong.

FYI: I don't own an OASYS and I have no plans to purchase an OASYS but I do think it's an interesting concept and I do think there are people for whom it is worthwhile. My opinion is equally valid to yours.

-Synth80s

Hey Synth80's, practice what ya preach pal and DON'T TRANSLATE FOR ME. What I said is what I said, not some version of YOURS.

By your own methods I can say; TRANSLATION OF SYNTH80s: "I'm a cheap wanker, but I'd like to kiss Korg's ass.." Is that what you meant? Would ya like me to keep translating for you? Didn't think so.

Don't translate for me. Inever said what you infer. I said what I said, that simple.

So, I sugges you go read the thread, "IS the Oasis worth it?" Can you deal with that topic?

The funny thing is, for all your arguing, it would appear that YOUR answer to "Is the Oasis worth it?" is clearly NO. You have no plans to purhcase one, so I guess it isn't worth it to you either. That makes two of us... and perhaps more.

The topic of discusion should then become, if it is not worth it, why not? What can be better? What would we like in a synth? What works about the Oasis? What does not?

My only point was to address the topic and add that it seemed like most posts were justifications for a few people's purhcase, not actually addressing to core topic.

-a

[Dan Phillips]

Hey Dirty Halo,

You spend an awful lot of time coming here, saying you're done, and then coming back for more, all for some synth that you ostensibly have no interest in. You also didn't respond, at all, to my thoughtful and detailed reply to your posts. That makes me think that you're somewhat less interested in actual conversation than you claim to be. What's your actual stake here?

- Dan

[elambo]

I'd say the Oasys and the folks who have talked about it here have a pretty solid case for this box. I had the chance to play on for about a half hour, which barely got me into this thing, and I was truly impressed. It sounded great (via only half way decent monitors), the action was nice, and the presets I was able to play were inspiring. I played a pretty good sounding piano, but I don't believe it was their big daddy multi-layered piano.

Although a bit overwhelming, the layout made sense to me. I wouldn't want to sacrifice functionality for an easier layout - I think instead it's just a matter of becoming familiar with the interface. As with any keyboard.

Dirty Halo (a PERFECT name, by the way) has no legs to stand on anymore and its amusing to see him/her try to back track and recover. The resale, the sound, the originality of the architecture - all points have been covered satisfactorily by someone here, but the yappin still doesn't stop.

If I had a bit more cash for luxuries I'd be quick to buy one of these keyboards. Great job, Phil. Don't let Halo get you fired up - is that an opinion that's worth getting fired up about? It's not even an opinion anymore, it's just an attempt to save face.

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by elambo

Don't let Halo get you fired up

You're right - thank you for reminding me. I'm wound pretty tight at the moment, and I'm sure that it shows. Sorry about that.

- Dan

[thenoodle]

Hey..when's that Oasys vi version coming out?

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Dan Phillips

You're right - thank you for reminding me. I'm wound pretty tight at the moment, and I'm sure that it shows. Sorry about that.

- Dan

No, actually I thought you kept your cool, considering the fact that someone was throwing punches at what's probably your pride and joy. Certainly the product of many long hours. I just wanted to help point out that the issues being presented are pretty weak and nothing to be too concerned about.

Now go convince marketing to lower the price so I can get one for myself thumbsup