IS the Oasis worth it?

[GYang]

[QUOTE= Hartmann Neuron learned that the hard way (sub-contracting) and anyone who ever owned a Kurzweil knows they were not very well build. Quality costs money.

[/QUOTE]

I have Kurzweil for more than 2 years, studio and gigs, all the time.
Really no problem. And with all Yamaha, Korgs, Rolands etc, in the studio, it still has the best sound in the mix.
Well except for analogue synth sounds, here nothing can come close to Voyager, Studio Electronics, Roland Jupiter 8.

Kurzweill+Virus TI+PC DAW& plug ins+basic controller for less than 8000k will do way more than Oasys alone, but if you like to have it in one box, it might be way to go.

I don't know about this board, but I have owned 3 of the Oasis cards.

I have yest to here strings and fake synths that come close.
Yes, the card did not have enough power.

But! If you own an 001 and are runnin 9 still, this card is an amazing way to juice up the power of your rig!!!

David

[robmix]

Originally Posted by Vermeer

As mentionned above, most gearsluts don't think twice about getting a ADAM monitor, a Neumann mic or a 1964 Stratocaster. Why should synths be any different? I still use my Korg Triton everyday and this is by far the best purchase I ever made, yet it was only half the price of an OASYS.

Because my ADAM's and Neumanns will never be outdated and my 1959 strat will only go up in value. Even the best analog synths from back in the day don't sell for anything near what they cost new. Ask how many original owners of the EMulator I are happy they purchased their 8 bit, $8000 sampler. Computers will always get outdated, you just ahve to decide at what price point your willing to dive in.

[laughingbear]

Originally Posted by Vermeer

BTW, it would be quite fun to see Berhinger trying their hands on that one: a Casio keyboard with a "Hetch-A-Sketch" screen. "Hey they look the same"

Worse. much worse....

http://www.behringer.com/EG8080/index.cfm?lang=ENG

As for the original question, that depends.... I would finance the board in a heartbeat if music would provide me an incomestream that could cover this in a reasonable timeframe.

As for the uninformed answers some stated here, I auditioned this board for two days in London, unfortunately only 2 days, but I had to be physically seperated from it and dragged out the store by my heals back to Ireland. For what it's worth, I am a classically trained musician, and sound quality does matter to me.

I am biased because I was an early adopter of the Korg KARMA in 2001, I got the first board in the country, after playing it for 3 hours, I ordered it, and man this ingenious KARMA technology is a musicians dream, well to be fair, a nightmare at times as well.

Now, the OASYS has a much higher integration of KARMA, besides, the newly developed sounds are extremly high grade, at the moment there is no other board out there that I played which offers this quality of sounds and production facilities under one truly elegant and tank like built hood.

This concept and design is a well thought through best of breed mix at somewhat reasonable costs. There are a few problems to be solved, and more stuff for it to be developed, and from my experience Korg, in persona the developers, some of the sound designers, R&D and product management, last not least Stephen Kay (KARMA Inventor) http://www.karma-lab.com/ are 100% behind this product with support on a 24/7 basis, literally, this is outstanding.

For me it is a dream...not come true....yet.....yet! 9 out of 10, I can not give it full marks because in my view it never should have left the building with 1GB installed but 2GB, and I do think the sequencer side needs an overhaul, something which Korgs mentioned on the Web themselves to consider.

I'd say if you are in the market for a all-in-one workstation, and can remotely afford it's pricetag, the OASYS is a must see/hear!

[Kaneepa]

Oasys has 1gb ram..not 512
and since version 1.1 you can easily put another 1gb ram so you can load both exs1 and exs2 together and have 700mb free for samples!

[bigbaby987]

i'm gettting the oasys gas again!!!!!! ahhhhhhh!!!!!! ahhhhh!!! i gotta get that next contract signed!!!!!n aahhhhh!!!

it is the most advanced, awesome sounding board on the market right now!!!

[Dirty Halo]

You can do all the PR and self-justification of your purchase you like, but stick to the facts.

1. Korg has been pimping and re-pimping this same idea in different incarnations for YEARS now. I know because I have a useless Oasys card that was the "end all be all" from a few years back. Do some research, they tried to sell this as an idea almost 10 years before this too. No go. No takers.

2. It is nothing more than a collection of synths, parts and ideas from their other Korg products and R&D (many of which are great). BUT, it is NOT "apples and oranges" to compare this synth/workstation to "is it better than a new Moog or PolyEvolver or Absynth or Nueron because those all represent different, synths, ideas and sounds creation devices, some good, some not, some standing the test of time...some not...i.e. the Oasys, except, this is one piece, that I dare say will be outdated sooner rather than later...

...as I look at my "Oasys" card sitting useless in the closet. (Hey Korg, may I update MY Oasys with your NEW Oasys, please?)

Hey, this may sound good or even great. But for $8 grand, you can get ALL sorts of GREAT synths (and most of the "amazing sound" already IN the board from other Korg pieces, that's supposed to be a competitive advantage), diversify and maybe even protect a little investment.

I'm just suggesting, try and look at something for its actual merits, not your justification.

Oh, and to saysomething is a "hit" just because of numbers is not the best reason to go out and invest. Enron numbers looked good How are those Control24s selling for second-hand these days? Beatles sales are still going strong, how is Britney doing.... going, going, gone.

-andrews

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

2. It is nothing more than a collection of synths, parts and ideas from their other Korg products and R&D (many of which are great).

I appreciate your other kind comments, as well as your wish that the OASYS PCI card had been more successful. I also have no wish to comment on any comparisons to other products, other than previous Korg products, as below.

I think it's necessary to address the "nothing more than" idea, however, since this is factually untrue in so many ways that it would not be appropriate to post all of them here. Suffice it to say that the basis of the system is entirely new, providing (among other things) dynamic voice allocation between diverse synthesis models, which is something that no plug-in based system can do AFAIK; that the PCM oscillators are new, and provide the best realtime interpolation available; that the VA oscillators are new, free of audible aliasing throughout the entire 88-note range, even with sync enabled; that the STR-1 plucked string modeling synth improves on previous Korg plucked-string models in various ways; that a good number of the effects are new; and that various parts of the voice architecture are either new or dramatically improved (such as the new AMS Mixers, fast/smooth EGs and LFOs updated every 32 samples and synced to the sample rate, wave sequencing with more new features than old and synced to the sample rate, Multi Filter variable/modulatable filter, etc.).

Best regards,

Dan

Product Manager, Korg R&D

[manisedap]

honestly if $8000 was not a problem for me, I would buy it just so I can have a kick ass midi controller. I wouldn't care bout the sound, that's just to brag that I spent $8000 for a midi controller

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by Dan Phillips

I appreciate your other kind comments, as well as your wish that the OASYS PCI card had been more successful. I also have no wish to comment on any comparisons to other products, other than previous Korg products, as below.

I think it's necessary to address the "nothing more than" idea, however, since this is factually untrue in so many ways that it would not be appropriate to post all of them here. Suffice it to say that the basis of the system is entirely new, providing (among other things) dynamic voice allocation between diverse synthesis models, which is something that no plug-in based system can do AFAIK; that the PCM oscillators are new, and provide the best realtime interpolation available; that the VA oscillators are new, free of audible aliasing throughout the entire 88-note range, even with sync enabled; that the STR-1 plucked string modeling synth improves on previous Korg plucked-string models in various ways; that a good number of the effects are new; and that various parts of the voice architecture are either new or dramatically improved (such as the new AMS Mixers, fast/smooth EGs and LFOs updated every 32 samples and synced to the sample rate, wave sequencing with more new features than old and synced to the sample rate, Multi Filter variable/modulatable filter, etc.).

Best regards,

Dan

Product Manager, Korg R&D

Ok, fair neough... well, then if you are true to your word and the Oasys is the expandable system I bought into years ago... can you you upgrade my Oasys card to the new one, please?

Please, make me a believe!

If it's good, it'll be all ove the new DIRTY HALO album.

-a

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Ok, fair neough... well, then if you are true to your word and the Oasys is the expandable system I bought into years ago... can you you upgrade my Oasys card to the new one, please?

I like to think that I'm true to my word - which is one of the reasons that I personally created over 30 free effects plug-ins for OASYS PCI:

http://www.danphillips.com/oasys.htm

There are others as well, some free and some commercial:

http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_sounds_3rd_party.htm

You can also still request a beta copy of SynthKit, to expand it yourself. :-)

OASYS PCI isn't the same as the new OASYS keyboard, however. I'm pretty sure you know that already - just pointing it out in case anyone else is confused! Notice, btw, that I didn't talk at all about the OASYS keyboard's expandability - just what we've put into it already, and what it offers today, in response to your specific points.

- Dan

[goldphinga]

I spent an afternoon with the oasys on demo and while i understand that its a very high specd workstation,with high quality sound, that this isnt necessarily what people are after. im so sick of going into music retailers and seeing and hearing these dry, souless,boring, keyboards it makes me wanna cry. for me it should all be about being able to produce incredible sounds and not about the feature set. i dont give a toss about a touchscreen, how much ram lack of alisasing etc. none of my analogue synths ever suffered from an alisasing problem anyway.

analogue synthesis is the best sounding bar none and thes digi boards dont do it for me.synth manafacturers such as korg need to take a risk and not just bring out repackaged boring products such as oasys and radias. they should design hi grade analogue based instruments that can have their filters and mixers and input stages distorted and abused. The real immediacy of a great analogue interface is still missing from the oasys-there are still too many menus. Come on synth manafacturers when was the last time that any of the big players (korg/roland/yamaha) actually pushed the envelope for real? my emu e4 has much better sounding filters than the oasys and thats a 12 year old product.

you synth manafactures cant fool me with your hot-rodded repackaged boring cumbersome,ugly,dry sounding boards.

go away and come back when you design something interesting

bye.

[jindrich]

If you have lots of money, and dont mind paying $8,500 for a synth the minute you leave the shop will be worth $2,000 (and $1,000 in a year), just go for it.

Some time ago I learnt the hard way something. Since then I promised myself never buy a single piece of anything with chips inside for more than $2,000.


My advice:

-Yamaha S90 EX $2,000. Great piano, lotsa amazing classic sounds plus MOTIF library and the best 88 touch you'll find
-Apple Mac Book Pro with 2GB RAM, $2,500
-Logic Pro 7, $1,000, which already includes half a dozen killer softsynths
-Apogee Ensemble audio interface, $1,900
-M-audio 47Keys keyboard, $99. for when you dont want to lug around with the monster and the 25kg of the YamahaS90
-Additional $1,000 in whatever softsynths you may like


total sum $8,500. Way more powerful. Way better resale value. Much better audio quality. Infinitely more flexible.


PS: that's my setup, btw.

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by goldphinga

you synth manafactures cant fool me with your hot-rodded repackaged boring cumbersome,ugly,dry sounding boards.

go away and come back when you design something interesting

bye.

Hmmm. As pointed out previously, "repackaged" is simply false. I can't speak to whatever you personally find interesting sonically, of course.

And, thanks for the suggestion to go away; I hope you won't mind that I'll feel free to stick around here regardless of some anonymous poster's rudely stated opinion of me and my work.

- Dan

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by jindrich

total sum $8,500. Way more powerful. Way better resale value. Much better audio quality. Infinitely more flexible.

PS: that's my setup, btw.

That's a cool setup. In re synths, the "way better audio quality" is difficult to support IMO. Nothing in your list (including the Logic softsynths) has particularly good aliasing characteristics, for instance.

I personally don't use OASYS as a workstation; I use DP for sequencing and recording. I just use OASYS as a synth, which also happens to be the part that my group worked on. It's absolutely more expensive than other solutions - kind of like that Apogee interface. Is it worth it? That depends on whether or not you hear the differences that it provides, and if you hear them, whether or not you feel that you need them.

I'll leave other people to speculate on the resale value of softsynths, software, laptops, and audio interfaces vs. synths....

- Dan

[jindrich]

Dan,
you're right, the proper value of any product is a matter of personal consideration. Notice the first thing i wrote was "if you don't mind the money, go for it".

I haven't tried the Oasys, but i had and loved some Korg synths, M1, 01/W..etc
Today $8,500 for a single piece of gear looks to me way too much, specially considering the current pace of technology obsolescence.

Regarding the resale value of sofsynths, computers..etc vs hardware synths, there's hardly any difference. They're worth nothing after a couple of years.

Funny how my guitars have seen so many KBs and computers go by.

[goldphinga]

Dan, no disrespect man.

imo Korg and the other big manufacturers could really design something that is genuinely exciting and not a niche product like the oasys. sure the designs will filter down into other boards but in the case of the oasys its just a better specd and more powerful workstation. i stand by what i say. its repackaged technology with better waveforms and algorhythms. i played it for hours and concluded it sounds like a slightly better triton, and that for me is where it stops. i dont deny the hard work thats gone into it,or the feature set, but ultimately its the sound it produces that clinches the deal for me.I have heard it all b4 and would not cough up the extra for the small increase in sound quality. i would much rather korg/yamaha/roland concentrated on a keyboard with proper analogue filters, than trying to make digital filters react like analogue ones and wasting time and money. analogue keys just sound better to me and the rnd was done years ago and is tried and tested.

BTW if you want to supply me with an oasys for my next tour ill REALLY put it through its paces.

[Vermeer]

Originally Posted by goldphinga

Dan, no disrespect man.
...
BTW if you want to supply me with an oasys for my next tour ill REALLY put it through its paces.

No disrespect goldphiga, but dissing the OASYS while at the same time asking for a free unit "to try out" is kind of dodgy to me.

In a way, it is representative of the real feelings most detractors have against this synth: they would love to have one but cannot afford or justify buying it. But instead of saying "it's not for me" they then try to diss it.

I for one have tried the synth and after raising some money to buy one decided to put this money somewhere else. Considering that to date, I have yet to fully exploit my Triton Classic + MOSS board, I think this synth is simply "not for me". I just don't have the time to learn how to use it.

Vermeer

[NuSkoolTone]

As far as instruments go, I'm a keyboard player first and I got to play an OA$Y$ in a quiet room a few months ago for about 2 hours.

I currently own a motif and there is NO question this thing blows it's doors off. It was SERIOUSLY cool, but NOT $8500 cool (to me). I would be more classified as a "Hobbiest" and my wife who stopped by to listen some gave me the thumbs up to purchase it if I wanted to. Bottom line: There are other things I'd rather have for that much money. I think for sure it is an eye to the future of synths though. The interface was INTENSE and incredibly deep. Like many folks, if it were half the price, I'd own one. One other detractor.. it's FREAKING HUGE! FORGET gigging with it, sans the fear of something happening to it. The karma can be fun, but something about "push a button and it plays for you" just turns me off. Maybe I'm "old school" that way....

For LOTS of opinions.. go over to Harmony Central and search on "OASYS." You'll have enough reading fodder(and it IS fodder) for months!

Last word: IMO anyone that thinks softsynths sound good are KIDDING themselves. Some are bearable, but most just have no punch or life to them whatsoever. Hey they're cheap and I'd like to convince myself they're "just as good" too. The fact is they're not. I would bet Korg went Linux because simply the amount of processing needed to sound good is not available on the windows platform. That is probably why it will be a LONG time before we see soft synths that will run on our "Office computer" desktop that will sound anything NEAR as good as OASYS.

Here's to hoping Kurzweil comes back to give Korg someone to compete with...

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by jindrich

Today $8,500 for a single piece of gear looks to me way too much, specially considering the current pace of technology obsolescence.

Tech absolutely depreciates, although it takes good instruments a while to become truly obsolete. I absolutely think that having price point limitations makes sense; those thresholds will be different for everyone, with emphasis on different areas. I'm currently fine with my MOTU 1224s, DSP7000, NuVerbs, and focusrite green 5s, even though I'd love to have HD192s (or your own choice of Apogee), an H8000FW or three (with remote, please), a 960, and some lovely ISA goodness - I've reached my own personal "good enough" in these areas for now.

- Dan

[Duardo]

Jindrich, you described your setup as:

Way more powerful. Way better resale value. Much better audio quality. Infinitely more flexible.

compared to the Oasys. But then you said:

I haven't tried the Oasys, but i had and loved some Korg synths, M1, 01/W..etc

So if you haven't tried it...upon what did you base your statements? Especially the part about the audio quality being "much better"?

And it's a little early to say what the resale value of an Oasys is, isn't it?

-Duardo

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by Dan Phillips

Tech absolutely depreciates, although it takes good instruments a while to become truly obsolete. I absolutely think that having price point limitations makes sense; those thresholds will be different for everyone, with emphasis on different areas. I'm currently fine with my MOTU 1224s, DSP7000, NuVerbs, and focusrite green 5s, even though I'd love to have HD192s (or your own choice of Apogee), an H8000FW or three (with remote, please), a 960, and some lovely ISA goodness - I've reached my own personal "good enough" in these areas for now.

- Dan

How old is an orignal Moog? How much do they go for today?
How much for a Jupiter 8?
TB 303?
TB 808 or 909?

Compare them to their orignal prices, factor inflation and they held if not INCREAES in value.

Can you REALLY say the same about the Oasys? Really?

Let's see what it's worth even 6 months from now.

Sorry, not JUST talking trash, I just wish you would design for us... I can't really believe you had a ton of people asking for that thing.

Ask us what we'd want in asynth because right now, we're buying more old Jupiters, Oberheims, Crumars, Moogs, WASPS, Prophet 5, PPG Waves, Waldorfs and on and on...

Please, design a synth for me, I'll give you all the help and promo int he world...and that's not askign for something I can't afford like some guy above said (believe me, I an afford it)

-andrews

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

How old is an orignal Moog? How much do they go for today?
How much for a Jupiter 8?
TB 303?
TB 808 or 909?

Compare them to their orignal prices, factor inflation and they held if not INCREAES in value.

See for yourself:

Minimoog:
$1,495 in 1970, equivalent to $7,695 in 2005
Current used price: $1,533 (about 20% of original value)

Prophet V:
$4,595 in 1978, equivalent to $14,332 in 2005
Current used price: $1,257 (about 9% of original value)

(Conversions to 2005 dollars courtesy of Tom's Inflation Calculator, at http://www.halfhill.com/inflation.html; used prices from http://www.prepal.com)

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Can you REALLY say the same about the Oasys? Really?

The above seems to imply that I tried to say something different. I didn't. All technology depreciates - analog or digital, as you can see above. Depreciation and obsolescense are not the same thing, however; one is about money, the other is about usability. If an instrument truly sounds good, that doesn't change. The Mini and and Prophet V still sound great, for instance - and if you bought them when they came out, and made great music with them, then they were undoubtedly worth every penny, regardless of their drop in resale value.

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Let's see what it's worth even 6 months from now.

It's been out for a year now, and the MAP is still the same. I've seen one used for $6k, I believe.

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Sorry, not JUST talking trash, I just wish you would design for us... I can't really believe you had a ton of people asking for that thing.

There's a long history of high-end synths, including both analog and digital synths (e.g. Kurzweil, Emu). If you think high-end digital synths are niche, try selling high-end analog ones...

- Dan

[Synth80s]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

How old is an orignal Moog? How much do they go for today?
How much for a Jupiter 8?
TB 303?
TB 808 or 909?

Compare them to their orignal prices, factor inflation and they held if not INCREAES in value.
www.dirtyhalo.com

This is a common misconception. While the most sought after analog synths currently retain a good portion of their original value, few sell for more than their original selling price on a non-inflation adjusted basis and none that I'm aware of even come close to selling at or over their original price on an inflation adjusted basis. Examples:

Yamaha CS-80 (arguably the best analog poly ever) sold for $7-8K in the late 70s -- today it sells for $3-4K

Roland Jupiter 8 sold for $4-5K in the early 80s. Today it sells for $2-2.5K.

Roland TB-808 originally sold for $1,200 -- today they sell for about the same price (in 2006 dollars, of course)

You can forget the run of the mill analogs like the Roland JX-8P (one of my personal favorites) -- originally it sold for $1,700 -- today they sell for $250-350. The same with the mid-range Korgs, Sequentials, etc. And keep in mind that all of these synths could be purchased for 50% less several years back before analog retro came into vogue. FWIW, I can't think of anything in the musical world that has depreciated more than high-end digital systems like the Synclaviers, Fairlights, Emulators, etc. That's not to say that they're not excellent devices, but you don't buy them as a long-term investment, you buy them to make music.

I've never played an OASYS and I can't afford one anyhow at the current price. My Motif ES7 was my big stretch but I use it as a powerful synth/ROMpler in coordination with Cubase SX, not as an all-in-one composition workstation. While it sounds fantastic, the screen is too small and the operation logic is not great. If I were starting over and OASYS v2 or v3 were out for a price of ~$3,500-4,000 (possible as the technology gets cheaper), I would certainly give it serious look. My hope is that Korg keeps working on the OS with an eye on ease of use and intuitiveness.

OASYS' value proposition is the fact that it's *potentially* an all-in-one solution for composing, sequencing, performing, etc. and it has an expandable feature set because it has an OS designed for change rather than full stop product replacement. Sure, you could by a laptop, some soft synths, external modules, etc., but that's not the point. You can also take a Dodge Neon and turbocharge it to within an inch of its life to get sub 5 second 0-60 times, but it's still not a Porsche. Imagine having an elegant, powerful system that allows you to house multiple synthesis varieties and recording capabilities in a single keyboard case. Again, I haven't used it, but if Korg continued to develop a killer musician-oriented stable OS and the price gradually comes down withe future iterations, it could be the best system since the Synclavier or Fairlight.

There are plenty of great synth manufacturers developing innovative products of all varieties at all price points these days. I think Korg should be commended for trying to push the envelope in the production workstation arena. Personally, I'm overwhelmed that synths like the Alesis Andromeda, DSI PolyEvolver Keyboard and Moog Voyager exist at all in today's bland ROMpler market, but none of them do what the OASYS does and vice versa. All hail variety in the marketplace!

-Synth80s

[Syki]

Dan glad to see ya on gearslutz . Is there any store in the Philadelphia area that actually has the oasys to demo?

[Syki]

"Originally Posted by Dirty Halo
How old is an orignal Moog? How much do they go for today?
How much for a Jupiter 8?
TB 303?
TB 808 or 909?

Compare them to their orignal prices, factor inflation and they held if not INCREAES in value.
www.dirtyhalo.com"

Hmmm I don't know about that... my matrix 12 ran me close to $7000 back in 86
I think it's worth $2900 now!

My S770 ran me $7000 If I sold it , I would be lucky to get $400

[Dan Phillips]

Originally Posted by Syki

Dan glad to see ya on gearslutz . Is there any store in the Philadelphia area that actually has the oasys to demo?

It's good to be here.

According to the Korg USA "dealer locator," the Sam Ash in King Of Prussia should have it:

SAM ASH 34
139 E DEKALB PIKE
KING OF PRUSSIA, PA 19406-2154
610-265-6444
www.samash.com

- Dan

[bigbaby987]

Originally Posted by Dan Phillips

That's a cool setup. In re synths, the "way better audio quality" is difficult to support IMO. Nothing in your list (including the Logic softsynths) has particularly good aliasing characteristics, for instance.

I personally don't use OASYS as a workstation; I use DP for sequencing and recording. I just use OASYS as a synth, which also happens to be the part that my group worked on. It's absolutely more expensive than other solutions - kind of like that Apogee interface. Is it worth it? That depends on whether or not you hear the differences that it provides, and if you hear them, whether or not you feel that you need them.

I'll leave other people to speculate on the resale value of softsynths, software, laptops, and audio interfaces vs. synths....

- Dan

i'm with dan on this one.. say what you want about softsynths and the like's resale value. i don't know if you could get one quarter the cash you put into a softsynth in resale. how many people here can resale reactor 3 for atlease $200? none, but i could still get atleast $700 for my minty condition triton pro. don't bother trying to sell albino, z3ta, or even fm7 at that matter. you won't get but pennies for it along with a bunch of drama trying to transfer ownership. there are (originally) $1000 (or more) matrix 6 racks that are still going for $300 and up and that a 17 year old peice of 6 polyphony gear! not to mention you'll be paying that upgrade price for as long as you have the software whatever and it will be more powerfull and suck more life out of that 2 year limit computer you already slapped about $2500 bucks in. and you'll need another $2500. so in 2 years, you've already spent 5 grand just on a computer with a very limited life expectancy. that's more than half the cost of the most advanced workstation to ever hit the market. the only thing on that list that i saw earlier that's going to retain value is the yamaha s90es(hardware), the macbook pro(another peice of hardware) and logic (only going for like half). oh yeah the apogee unit (that's another peice of hardware).. by the way you forgot about a lcd monitor, control surface and more. the oasys sounds better than anything on the market.. the sounds are not dead at all... granted they are not overly processed, but i'm sure you can understand the power of if sounding as well without a bunch of crap on top. why don't you slap that extra tremelo on your rhodes or that long decay on your pianos. how about that crazy multitap on your lead synths. it's on you, but to me you still don't need it with this board. this board is ready to run as soon as you power it up out of the box. other stuff has to be set up. with hundreds of downloads and upgrades you have to keep up with. and God forbid your computer ever crashes and you have to reinstall everything again and explain to all of your software companies why you want to reinstall something you've already paid for, or like waves you'll just have to pay for it again!!! i say keep it simple. get an oasys and make some music without having to jump through 99 hoops to make a song you love.

[Syki]

Originally Posted by Dan Phillips

It's good to be here.

According to the Korg USA "dealer locator," the Sam Ash in King Of Prussia should have it:

SAM ASH 34
139 E DEKALB PIKE
KING OF PRUSSIA, PA 19406-2154
610-265-6444
www.samash.com

- Dan

Thanks, I Have not heard it yet, but I take it for what it is. Next generation of production . And reading through the specs, it seems that it is a stand alone production workhorse.

One Oasys, One Radar 24 classic a couple of mic pres or a Daking 24 ch console
Adam s3a's ,Hmm a few choice comps and eq's .........oh yea Symbolic Sounds Kyma...lol and call it a day

[Tibbon]

I'd rather buy a Fairlight, Synclavier, Mellotron, Moog Modular, or even a Glass Harmonica before i'd buy an Oasis. Shit, even a Doepfer modular system that you can drop 8 grand on would be better.

I'm not sure if Korg has made decent stuff IMHO since they dropped all of their CV stuff.