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Old 20th March 2006   #1
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Anyone care to explain this please.

I have Samplitude 8 and Cakewalk Sonar 5 pro.
I master in Samplitude.

Cakewalk 5 has a 64 bit audio engine so it got me thinking, in the case where i require digital processing would it not be better to do the processing in Cakewalk.

So i applied a chain to each tune in each daw and processed each track.
The chain consisted of an eq with only a high pass filter at 50 hz and the linmb, with light settings.
The songs were both bounced down to 32 bit.
They do not null.

It was hard to tell which one respected the integrity of the audio more than the other, so i did another test.

This time i put 5 linmb's in a row with the same settings and an L2 pulled down to -10

They definitely did not null.

There is audible hiss upon playback.

From the 2nd test the Cakewalk file is my pic.

Where does the hiss come from?

And do you think that because Sonar has a 64 bit engine that it processors audio in a more efficient manner preserving the audio more so than Samp or other engines that don't process with 64 bit mix engines?
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Make it -40 and U may get more hiss.
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It's a mistake to assume that bigger numbers are always better with DSP. In theory, all other factors being equal, they should be. But they aren't always.

But ultimately, any DSP is only as good as the code written and tested. It's far more likely that plugins will have more issues with 64 bit audio because it's newer and less common.

I have many plugins that should - in theory - sound better at 96khz than they do at 44.1khz. But in practice, many sound far worse at 96kHz.

You can't assume anything based on the theory of bigger numbers. Test everything, and use what works best.

Maybe the hiss is from dithering, and a bug is causing this to be added too loud, or too often. One version might require a lot more resampling maybe?
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Arn't the Waves plugs 48bit internal processors?

I wonder how the Izotope 64bit bundle would do in Cakewalk
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It was hard to tell which one respected the integrity of the audio more than the other, so i did another test.

it doesn't sound like the other test gave you any more clarity regarding this issue. quite the opposite, in fact.

if one isn't knocking you over the head saying "i am better", i say let it go and move on. not every puzzle needs to be solved.

forest for the trees, etc...


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