Kelly Clarkson Drumkit?

[marfbeatz]

hi everybody

does anybody know wich kind of snare they used in kelly clarkson´s "because of you"?
was it a BFD snare, and if so, wich one?

maybe yomeone knows the whole kit?

thanxs

[JamesNylen]

When I worked the show here in NH the drummer used all snare instead of toms kinda weird...If you watch the grammy party thing closely with her I bet you can see the setup. I dont know about in the studio though....

[indie]

The live drummer for her is Derek Wyatt...he is one AMAZING #$&$@#* drummer. I've done a few sessions with him -- his pocket is insane....he gets much better sounds than those on the cd if you ask me.
Micah

[C Heat]

I highly doubt it was a BFD snare.

They would have used real drums. IMHO.

[Soldier777c]

Perhaps he means did they track a snare that BFD currently has sampled, not did they trigger a BFD snare. He may be looking to find a similar sounding drum within that program.

[marfbeatz]

yes, i´m looking for a similar snare!it would be nice if someone can tell me the what drumkit they used
...i´ve heard they used some BFD stuff on the album, maybe in combination with a v-drum..
Derek Wyatt is a machine thumbsup

thanks for your help

[marfbeatz]

any idea?

[absrec]

Who cares. That record sounds like ass. IMHO

[BB Bill]

Originally Posted by absrec

Who cares. That record sounds like ass. IMHO

Jesus, man, what a completely pointless post.

The original poster obviously cares and wants to find out.

It's posts like yours that are gonna end up ruining gearslutz.com, much like they did with rec.audio.pro.

If you can help out, great. If not, do you have to join the thread just to piss on it?

[Chris Parsons]

Originally Posted by absrec

Who cares.

Are you 15?

anyway...

Call me what you will, but I've really gotten into Kelly Clarkson lately. I think the sounds are amazing. While we're talking about the dumkit, what about some info on the other aspects of the process???

Vocal chain?
Tracked on ___? Mixed on ____?
etc....

No one can deny the catchyness of 'Walk Away" lol


-Chris

[jonnyclueless]

I like some of the songs, but the production definitely has that sound of too many things being squeezed in and getting smooshed. It reminds me of Pro Tools mixes. There's that sound where the mix just doesn't breath enough. It's not bad until you change the station and hear something older where they have just as big a production, but everything fits better. I run into the same problem a lot on stuff I work on. record 100's of tracks to make it sound bigger, yet it seems to sound smaller. Maybe analog would have worked better, who knows.

But I think trying to find out the drumkit used is a moot point, since it's really all in the drummer. And each song is different. I think they drums on 'since you've been gone' sound better than the ones on 'hazel eyes', but that may because there's bit of over playing on hazel eyes. There's also the fact that it's a combo of drum machine and live drums. So it's not just an issue of what kit was used. I would hire a professional drummer and tell him that's the sound you are looking for and asee if he/she can accomidate.

Of course the post is specifically about 'because of you', but I'm just speaking generically. I can't really listen to that song (too contribed for my personal taste) . But next time I won't change the station and give a good listen myself.

[Mike Caffrey]

Who was the drummer on that song? Wolf uses Premiere and if he's the drummer on that song, I can find out the exact model and head combination. Probably Evan G1 on top and Hazy 300 on the bottom. He didn't play on every track though.


Also, a lot of those song have live and programmed drums, so you may be hearing a combination.

[Gravity8058]

While we're looking into who was responsible for unloading Kelly Clarkson, can we look into who played Kazoo on the Milli Vanilli album or that guy that played claw hammer banjo on the Debbie Gibson smash.

[absrec]

Originally Posted by Big Bad Bill

Jesus, man, what a completely pointless post.

The original poster obviously cares and wants to find out.

It's posts like yours that are gonna end up ruining gearslutz.com, much like they did with rec.audio.pro.

If you can help out, great. If not, do you have to join the thread just to piss on it?

You're absolutely right. Sorry if I offended anyone. I just don't particularly care for the sound of that record. I bought it, actually. Some of the songs are really good. I think they should have had one of the Lord-Alge brothers mix it, though.

If you are going for that snare sound, I would start with a Ludwig supraphonic not tuned too high. Sounds like it was cut with some Neve pres if not a Neve console. Could be wrong though. One thing that is working in your favor is the fact that there's really no room involved in the drum sound on that entire record. If there is, then it was an extremely dead one. The drummers touch is going to come heavily into play when getting a tone like that. He has to be hitting rather consistent for it not to get lost.

I hope this helps.

Again, I shouldn't have let my own opinions surface in the face of someone's sincere inquiry. Sorry for any pain I may have caused.

[quietdrive]

I need to bump this thread. Am currently looking for the famous "electronic sounding" drumkit which is used over and over again in the first verse of basically any big pop rock hit. It's always the same drumkit, and same rhythm. Just listen to the beginning of "Since U been Gone" by Kelly Clarkson to get an idea of what I mean --> http://youtube.com/watch?v=41LG2k-ivVY

Anyone happen to know where I can find the drumkit? I'm sure it's a preset in some library. RMX maybe?

[PDC]

Originally Posted by marfbeatz

hi everybody

does anybody know wich kind of snare they used in kelly clarkson´s "because of you"?
was it a BFD snare, and if so, wich one?

maybe yomeone knows the whole kit?

thanxs

I went to a drum clinic where Kenny Arnoff was talking about the drums he layed for her first album. The producer had done a bunch of loops (not elaborated on) and everything was tracked to that. Drums were a big OD session at the end. Could be a combination of sounds.

[Methlab]

BFD is on that Record..don't know how much..but it's there. Solid BFD programming has cost some great drummer's some work lately, i have heard this firsthand from a few producers and managers.

[quietdrive]

Originally Posted by Methlab

BFD is on that Record..don't know how much..but it's there. Solid BFD programming has cost some great drummer's some work lately, i have heard this firsthand from a few producers and managers.

It may also just be DFH, sounds the same to me. But still curious what electro drum kit they've been using... cause that's not BFD.

[Mike Caffrey]

Originally Posted by quietdrive

I need to bump this thread. Am currently looking for the famous "electronic sounding" drumkit which is used over and over again in the first verse of basically any big pop rock hit. It's always the same drumkit, and same rhythm. Just listen to the beginning of "Since U been Gone" by Kelly Clarkson to get an idea of what I mean --> http://youtube.com/watch?v=41LG2k-ivVY

Anyone happen to know where I can find the drumkit? I'm sure it's a preset in some library. RMX maybe?

Why are you so sure it's a preset?

A lot of the pop stuff is programmed by the same guy, who plays the live drums on the tracks as well.

For programming he's using an MPC and if he tracked the drums in NYC the snare is Artie Smith's Supraphonic, but I think the went to Max Martin's place for some of the drum tracking.

[quietdrive]

Originally Posted by Mike Caffrey

Why are you so sure it's a preset?

A lot of the pop stuff is programmed by the same guy, who plays the live drums on the tracks as well.

For programming he's using an MPC and if he tracked the drums in NYC the snare is Artie Smith's Supraphonic, but I think the went to Max Martin's place for some of the drum tracking.

You're probably right Mike. Yes the drums were tracked in Sweden at Martin's place.

[Methlab]

The Supraphonic in BFD layered with another drum from BFD deluxe can get you an awesome snare sound. There are so many ways to use BFD, that it's almost impossible to discern how it was processed or what exact drums were chosen, and that is why I love that program so much.

[KrisNY]

Josh Freese played drums on the record. Solid, solid solid. Way fun to listen to. Killer songwriting, too.

Is it just me or are the hats on that record mighty trashy? I kinda like it!

[Mike Caffrey]

I'm pretty sure that it was a Sweedish drummer on that particular track.

I found out earlier tonight that the programmed kit was acoustic samples that Luke had made on a previous album that were run through filters and what not.

[LoopQuantum]

Originally Posted by KrisNY

Josh Freese played drums on the record. Solid, solid solid. Way fun to listen to. Killer songwriting, too.

Is it just me or are the hats on that record mighty trashy? I kinda like it!

I met Josh backstage at a NIN show, and discretely complimented him on this (I bought the Kelly Clarkson CD for my 5 year old.)

Since we were at a NIN Show... he sheepishly and quietly replied "yeah they paid me a lot of money for that record...." I probably was a jerk for bringing it up where I did..... but a funny story nonetheless.

POP jokes aside, I think the songwriting on this record is amazing, just not my cup of tea... Really, it deserves it's success. My only gripe is that I now use this album to describe what ProTools sounds like. The record really has this Cut-and-paste, digirack eq, blah feeling. Maybe it's just me. Sorry to anyone on this board who may have worked on it. That said, other than the playing styles, I think the drum SOUNDS are pretty similar throughout the record, with little exception. I suspect alot of samples were used as replacements.

[quietdrive]

Originally Posted by LoopQuantum

I met Josh backstage at a NIN show, and discretely complimented him on this (I bought the Kelly Clarkson CD for my 5 year old.)

Since we were at a NIN Show... he sheepishly and quietly replied "yeah they paid me a lot of money for that record...." I probably was a jerk for bringing it up where I did..... but a funny story nonetheless.

If he really made that comment, then he's a bigger sell-out than any of the so-called "manufactured pop artists" out there. Just my personal opinion. There's nothing wrong with being a "music w h o r e", and working on projects you dont love... we all need to pay rent, and finance our lifestyles... but at least have the balls to accept it as a part of who you are and what you do, without making excuses to yourself or anyone else.

And also loop, come on.. did you really had to throw this in? "I bought the Kelly Clarkson CD for my 5 year old". You obviously absolutely needed to give us that piece of information, didnt you? Are you so ashamed by it? It's sad what a dirty word "pop" has become. Yet people like to discuss it. Secretly, I think everybody loves pop. People just dont want to admit it, if the music is performed by an artist who isnt 100% credible or real.

I think the drum SOUNDS are pretty similar throughout the record, with little exception. I suspect alot of samples were used as replacements.

That's cause there arent really a lot of sounds, rhythms and grooves that are being used in this particular type of music (modern pop rock). The cut and paste comes from producers using a shitload of samples, and instruments being recorded bar by bar... especially guitars.

[bobwarren]

Josh Freese! (from the meathead perpective flash cartoon) Man, Trent knows josh is an accomplished studio musician in high demand. I's not like Josh is on the "down with the establishment" bandwagon. He's a hired gun. I'd rather have have him than BFD, DFH, BFE, GFY, or S&M! (use your imagination)

[LoopQuantum]

Originally Posted by quietdrive

If he really made that comment, then he's a bigger sell-out than any of the so-called "manufactured pop artists" out there. Just my personal opinion. There's nothing wrong with being a "music w h o r e", and working on projects you dont love... we all need to pay rent, and finance our lifestyles... but at least have the balls to accept it as a part of who you are and what you do, without making excuses to yourself or anyone else.

And also loop, come on.. did you really had to throw this in? "I bought the Kelly Clarkson CD for my 5 year old". You obviously absolutely needed to give us that piece of information, didnt you? Are you so ashamed by it? It's sad what a dirty word "pop" has become. Yet people like to discuss it. Secretly, I think everybody loves pop. People just dont want to admit it, if the music is performed by an artist who isnt 100% credible or real.



That's cause there arent really a lot of sounds, rhythms and grooves that are being used in this particular type of music (modern pop rock). The cut and paste comes from producers using a shitload of samples, and instruments being recorded bar by bar... especially guitars.

Easy, Friend.....

I'm GLAD Josh is getting all this hired gun business. Yes, it is true, it was said, and it wasn't really that big of a deal. I was just making a lighthearded observation, and sharing a funny story....why is this offensive? Why is it in any way a reflection of his character, or mine for that manner, for repeating it? I don't think any less of him for it...I think its awesome that a drummer can be in such demand as to work on pretty much anything that's thrown at him.

Don't worry, I like pop too... I'm just not nearly as defensive about it. Sheesh. I DID buy that CD for my 5 year old, because it's not in any way lyrically offensive, and I feel ok letting my kid listen to it. Think about it.... this is a good thing. Kelly Clarkson is accessible to a conservative parent's children, so... daddy listens to it with his daughter, and is exposed to music that otherwise wouldn't have reached his demographic (Myself, 3rd person, of course.). And I had good things to say about the record....including the drums.

BTW, thanks for the recording lesson..... after all these years, I had no idea that was how it was done. (sic).

We're on the same page. Be nice to me, lest I put on "Addiction" and burst into tears.

Love,

Anonymous fellow pop fan.

Hijack over... back to the meat and potatoes.

[Dan]

Here's the thing, I think it was based on the old Simmons samples, but there are similar sounds in many sound banks, BFD has it, and it's pretty easy to find for an MPC. Here's a version we did a while back, different key, and I know the guitar isn't quite right, and it's a different key, but I can send you a sample if you like it, and can't find it.

[quietdrive]

Originally Posted by Dan

Here's the thing, I think it was based on the old Simmons samples, but there are similar sounds in many sound banks, BFD has it, and it's pretty easy to find for an MPC. Here's a version we did a while back, different key, and I know the guitar isn't quite right, and it's a different key, but I can send you a sample if you like it, and can't find it.

Thanks for the offer, but somebody already sent me the samples.

[vernier]

Sounds like an HR-16B.