Overheads For SMALL SMALL drum room.

C_F_H_13 · 16th February 2006

Producer on project wants to use this voice over booth for drums on 1 track. Room dimensions are roughly 10X10 with a 7 or 8 Foot ceiling. Despite my objections, he refuses to listen to reason.

So my question is what overheads would you guys use? I'm looking for something that's still going to catch alot of "shimmer" and high end, in this super dead room.
I'm going to be renting these OHs so anything goes.

mic list thus far:

snare- 57 top/bottom
kick- d-112 in / fet 47 out
Toms- 421s

I doubt I'm going to use half of these mics, but they're my safety net just in case.

Again, brighter overheads, with alot of detail.

Thanks guys!

C/G · 16th February 2006

A friend has a really small, dead drum room and has good luck with a Rode NT-5 stereo mic. It actually sounds pretty good. I heard some stuff he did with it as an overhead last night. I tried it in a bigger room and did not like it, but in his small room it was just the right thing.

T_R_S · 16th February 2006

Crown Sass-P works good too.

mltamisin · 16th February 2006

If you want bright go with the Josephson C42's

brownmouse · 17th February 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_F_H_13

Again, brighter overheads, with alot of detail.

I'd look at the Josephson C-42's. They are my go to choice when I want bright with a lot of detail.
Joshua

AdamJay · 17th February 2006

earthworks sr25's

ramjet · 17th February 2006

hi
i use a set of seinhiesser( if that is how you spell it) ME-80's in a room about the size of yours and it works cool

cheers

RoundBadge · 17th February 2006

A couple good old 414's up in the corners can be cool..plenty bright
can double as room mic's if you hit em with comps .less mic's the better. thumbsup

blackcatdigi · 17th February 2006

SM81s, in X/Y, using the hpf, placed directly above the rack tom(s), around a foot above the cymbals worked tonight!

God help us tomorrow...

joeq · 17th February 2006

you could try Fletcher's "underhead" technique.

kats · 17th February 2006

Ditti on the c42's. I also like SDC's in a small room.

Jules · 17th February 2006

Digging my Beyer M160's

They are supposed to have a cardiod patern despite being ribbons...

bpatural · 17th February 2006

I'm recording in a similar room right now...I'd recommend a pair of 414s close to the cymbals as the room tone is going to be boxy, try just to get the dry drums recorded as well as possible and add ambience with reverb later. This can actually be a really cool sound.
-brian

six_wax · 17th February 2006

re: drums in small boxy rooms

worked on a session where the tracking engineer "pitched a tent" with mic stands and packing blankets a couple feet above the cymbal mics...

didn't get a chance to A/B the sound without, might be snake oil. I could see this reducing top end splatter, especially on wider pattern mics, but it obviously wouldn't do anything for all the ugly low f reflections... might be worth a shot if you're fishing.

16th February 2006	#1
C_F_H_13 Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 836 Thread Starter	Overheads For SMALL SMALL drum room. Producer on project wants to use this voice over booth for drums on 1 track. Room dimensions are roughly 10X10 with a 7 or 8 Foot ceiling. Despite my objections, he refuses to listen to reason. So my question is what overheads would you guys use? I'm looking for something that's still going to catch alot of "shimmer" and high end, in this super dead room. I'm going to be renting these OHs so anything goes. mic list thus far: snare- 57 top/bottom kick- d-112 in / fet 47 out Toms- 421s I doubt I'm going to use half of these mics, but they're my safety net just in case. Again, brighter overheads, with alot of detail. Thanks guys!

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C/G Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,829	A friend has a really small, dead drum room and has good luck with a Rode NT-5 stereo mic. It actually sounds pretty good. I heard some stuff he did with it as an overhead last night. I tried it in a bigger room and did not like it, but in his small room it was just the right thing. __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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blackcatdigi Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: upstate, sc Posts: 1,739	SM81s, in X/Y, using the hpf, placed directly above the rack tom(s), around a foot above the cymbals worked tonight! God help us tomorrow... __________________ Sincerely, Casey SC Digital Services Bob Olhsson wrote on 17th September 2002, 12:56 PM: "Music is being used to sort consumers rather than to entertain people."

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T_R_S Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2004 Location: Canuk Posts: 5,278	Crown Sass-P works good too.

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mltamisin Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2005 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 1,173 1 Review written	If you want bright go with the Josephson C42's

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AdamJay Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,825	earthworks sr25's

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ramjet Gear addict Joined: Aug 2005 Location: ayr, north queensland, australia Posts: 401	hi i use a set of seinhiesser( if that is how you spell it) ME-80's in a room about the size of yours and it works cool cheers

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RoundBadge Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca. Posts: 8,854	A couple good old 414's up in the corners can be cool..plenty bright can double as room mic's if you hit em with comps .less mic's the better. thumbsup

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joeq Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: New York Posts: 9,925	you could try Fletcher's "underhead" technique.

17th February 2006	#11
kats Lives for gear Joined: May 2005 Posts: 3,685	Ditti on the c42's. I also like SDC's in a small room.

17th February 2006	#13
bpatural Gear addict Joined: Nov 2004 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 497	I'm recording in a similar room right now...I'd recommend a pair of 414s close to the cymbals as the room tone is going to be boxy, try just to get the dry drums recorded as well as possible and add ambience with reverb later. This can actually be a really cool sound. -brian

17th February 2006	#14
six_wax Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,102	re: drums in small boxy rooms worked on a session where the tracking engineer "pitched a tent" with mic stands and packing blankets a couple feet above the cymbal mics... didn't get a chance to A/B the sound without, might be snake oil. I could see this reducing top end splatter, especially on wider pattern mics, but it obviously wouldn't do anything for all the ugly low f reflections... might be worth a shot if you're fishing.

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