Do Genelec 8030's lack Low End? Thinking about exchanging them..

[mr jkn]

Hi, also got the 8030 and I am pretty happy with them - very detailed with great stereo image.
If you look at their freq graph they roll of quite steeply below 55 hz, so you´re right, they do lack bottom. However, my room is not very well treated so I find mixes done on the 8030´s much better sounding in the bass area than the bigger KRK´s, Adams and Tannoys I used before!
Why not take a sub into consideration if you want deeper bass? Isn´t Genelecs 7050 tailored to use with the 8030´s? Just a thought.

(No, I´m not affiliated with Genelec. But I´m going to Finland in march! )

[five_magics]

Originally Posted by mr jkn

Hi, also got the 8030 and I am pretty happy with them - very detailed with great stereo image.
If you look at their freq graph they roll of quite steeply below 55 hz, so you´re right, they do lack bottom. However, my room is not very well treated so I find mixes done on the 8030´s much better sounding in the bass area than the bigger KRK´s, Adams and Tannoys I used before!
Why not take a sub into consideration if you want deeper bass? Isn´t Genelecs 7050 tailored to use with the 8030´s? Just a thought.

(No, I´m not affiliated with Genelec. But I´m going to Finland in march! )

The 8030s are already very expensive for their size IMO, I don't have enough cash to complement them with a SUB.
Other quality brands offer much bigger speakers in the same price range, the question is wich speakers should I excange the Genelecs 8030s for.
I'm also wondering if Speakers of the size of the MACKIE HR624 MK2s will really sound much bigger than the 8030s.. (btw on the site there's a typo they have a 100W bass driver).

[ark]

How large is your room? Genelec recommends that you start by choosing a subwoofer that matches your room size and then picking mains that are appropriate for that subwoofer.

For the price of two 8030s, you can get two 6010s and a 5040 subwoofer and have money left over. If your room is not too large, you may find that combination better suited to your needs. They say that this combination is well suited for a room as large as 55 cubic meters (1,950 cubic feet).

[five_magics]

Hi,

My room is 25 square meeters.
I think I'd rather go for a configuration that doesn't require a sub.. I'm wondering if the Mackie hr624 or Adam A7s really have significantly more bass that the 8030s.
On paper it looks like they do, unfortunately I can't try them in person..
When I use the 8030s at home I really notice that there is a subdued bottom.. hopefully I won't feel that with the Adams or Mackies?

[five_magics]

double post stike

[JoaT]

You have decided already that you are lacking bass and the only viable cure for you is a different brand of speakers. And now you want us to tell you to do so.

Do so.

I have mixed happily with Genelecs without a sub for 15 years. Now I have one. I can't say I was lacking anything crucial before.

But it's abundantly clear you can never find satisfaction with Genelecs, so it is best to stop thinking and start acting. Don't buy anything without listening.

[five_magics]

Yes I'm feeling like the 8030's are lacking bass and I'm wondering if these models that are priced the same sound bigger than the 8030's...

YAMAHA MSP 7 STUDIO -
MACKIE HR624 MK2 -
adam_a7x.htm

If the unanimous answer is "no these other models don't have more bass" than I'll stick with the 8030s. Just asking for advice...

[dave999z]

I sold my A7s (due to reliability) and replaced them with 8030s. The 8030s have as much or more low end than the A7s. And, more importantly, I think the low end is more accurate.

[Emi]

I have the 8020 with the 7050 sub. I can´t tell you those lil' ...don´t lack lows in terms of volume (with the sub off). The sub only extends the frecuency response down low.
IMHO

[five_magics]

Well on specs the Adam A7s and Mackie hr624s have a massive advantage basewise over the 8030s. (size of the LF speaker, wattage, frequency range..)
I have trouble believing the A7xs have les bass thant the 8030s... or the specs mean nothing in "real" conditions?

[talktank]

Originally Posted by five_magics

Hi,

...My room is 25 square meeters....When I use the 8030s at home I really notice that there is a subdued bottom.. hopefully I won't feel that with the Adams or Mackies?...

Is the room treated? Wouldn't you hate to get other (possibly less accurate) speakers in there only to find out that the bass is still subdued due to an acoustics issue?

[PhilDW]

You may have to define what you mean by low end. The meat of a guitar isn't usually down around 50 or 60 Hz ! (which is where I think your open low B is, assuming I haven't screwed up my top-of-head calculation). So if my numbers are correct then it may not be a big deal to have roll off at 55 Hz after all. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but it would be a shame for you to bust your wallet open if 55Hz guitar notes aren't what you're missing. And anything below that is mostly air from a kick drum!

[five_magics]

I mean that IMO the 8030s lack bass in general regardless of "guitar tone" specifically.
I'm looking for speakers that have a beefy sound. I want headroom and I feel like the 8030s are lacking a bit of that.


Since Adam A7s and Mackie 624s go down to 45 hz with a 100 Watt 7" LF Driver (vs the 8030s that go down to 58 Hz with a 5" 40 W LF Driver), I was figuring that the lack of "beefyness" could come from the "weaker" specs of the Genelecs ...
Thus my idea of exchanging the 8030s against those bigger models that are in the same price range.