Does someone tracked the same source with two different converters simultaneously?

[Ethan Winer]

The issue is mostly that the two clocks will drift over time, rather than a fixed difference in latency. Regardless, I'd leave any alignment for later when you can see the waveforms.

--Ethan

[Simma Lugnt]

Didn't know you may use two clock simultaniously. I only know about to slave one converter to other but i guess in any case, it wouldn't help to avoid the delay.

Thanks Ethan thumbsup


Does anybody else try it?

[CompEq]

Originally Posted by Ethan Winer

The issue is mostly that the two clocks will drift over time

Let me be the first!

[Trakworx]

Originally Posted by Simma Lugnt

I have possibility to use two different converters, that to my ears complements eachother very well that i would like to use on the same source.

I'm aware of that various converters varies in latency that cause phase issues but:

IF you do it, do you move mics closer/forther away or handle it later in DAW?

Try it and see if it causes a noticeable delay with the converters in question. If it does, then I would nudge tracks in the DAW because moving the mic will alter the sound. And yes, slave one clock to the other. thumbsup

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[Big_Bang]

Originally Posted by CompEq

Let me be the first!

What are you on about? Absolutely true!!

That is precisely why one must lock one clock as master and the other as slave!
Otherwise the clocks will drift and cause horrible phase issues.

Let me for ´ya

[CompEq]

Originally Posted by Big Bang

That is precisely why one must lock one clock as master and the other as slave!
Otherwise the clocks will drift and cause horrible phase issues.

Sorry, thought that was common knowledge. I could see perhaps noting that one should be slaved to the other or both synced to a master clock like Trakworx did, but Ethan jumping to the conclusion that they're not right out of the starting gate is rather presumptuous and right straight out of left field.

Originally Posted by Simma Lught

I have possibility to use two different converters

Where does it insinuate that they're not synched or tracking to two separate DAWs simultaneously? That's where a synching problem would crop up.

[Big_Bang]

Not at all !

The way I am interpreting this is exactly the opposite, you are presuming Ethan is wrong and going all with no backing up of opinion, that to me is being presumptuous.

It is so no common knowledge that Simma even opened this thread because of it.
Everytime 2 or more digital equipment are hooked up, they must be locked to one master clock.
Done.

And about the recording to different DAW's, its precisely the opposite.
Its when tracking to the same DAW that the drift causes issues.
If tracking to two different DAWS there is no problem at all as each DAW has it own AD with its own clock. So the recording is going to be phase perfect (albeit mic positioning)...

Problems would occur when recording to the same DAW, for instance aggregating devices in PT9. So , when you stack them together, you simply phase aligh them by eye by moving the waveform. Just look the the fastest transient response and adjust them, and you're set. Better still to measure the converter latency and adjust. Send and impulse and measure it. But why have that ordeal if you can just clock? This should ONLY happen if for some reason the 2 clocks cannot be sync'ed...

Just like when you insert a plug on PT LE... either you know the specific sample delay and nudge, or move the waveform until its sounds right.

Or even move the waves freely for effect, like "wall of sound" guitars, 3D phase morphing, etc.

Ethan is spot on. GS members tend to shout "fire" way too soon lately...

[Simma Lugnt]

Wow, didn't know i can cause such mess

I did mean to use it with one DAW and slave one AD to the other. I did a quick test with both converters simultaneously in several settings (don't remember if Orpheus or Lavry was Master, used Spdif) and one track was behind. It may be that issue Ethan was talking about...

However, I moved one mic about 1cm=0.4inch and it looked ok in DAW. I prefer doing it that way cos i hear groove lost/change when tracks are nudged especially those with greater distances but thats another story.

How most of you out there do it?


Thank you for your thought!

[Flying_Dutchman]

if you want to "sync" the converters internal latency just "ping" them and sample delay the tracks

[Simma Lugnt]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

if you want to "sync" the converters internal latency just "ping" them and sample delay the tracks

Could you please explain the "ping"?