Login / Register
 
How to wisely upgrade a cheapo drum kit for recording?
New Reply
Subscribe
mig27
Thread Starter
#1
9th January 2006
Old 9th January 2006
  #1
Lives for gear
 
mig27's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Location: Berlin
Posts: 846

Thread Starter
Send a message via AIM to mig27 Send a message via Skype™ to mig27
mig27 is offline
How to wisely upgrade a cheapo drum kit for recording?

Dear slutz,

I'm not a drummer but enjoy drumming.
My drum kit is of the cheapest kind you can imagine: A chinese no name product - got it off fleabay for $250 new.

That was including hardware and cymbals.

First thing I did was ditching the cymbals. I couldn't believe they were made of genuine metal, so much they sounded like cardboard.

So cymbals are sorted (I went the Sabian / Masterworx)

The tone of Kick and Snare pleases me.

I hate the tom sounds. Boomy - no control - shitty skins (translucent plastic).

Now my questions:
  • What kind of skins shall I get to upgrade the toms?
  • Are there any other accessories that you can recommend?
  • How do I have to tune the drums? (Maybe a link?)

Thanks heaps!


Michael
#2
9th January 2006
Old 9th January 2006
  #2
Gear nut
 
SoundChances's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Location: DFW
Posts: 97

SoundChances is offline
mig27
Thread Starter
#3
9th January 2006
Old 9th January 2006
  #3
Lives for gear
 
mig27's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Location: Berlin
Posts: 846

Thread Starter
Send a message via AIM to mig27 Send a message via Skype™ to mig27
mig27 is offline
thx mate.
mig27
Thread Starter
#4
9th January 2006
Old 9th January 2006
  #4
Lives for gear
 
mig27's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Location: Berlin
Posts: 846

Thread Starter
Send a message via AIM to mig27 Send a message via Skype™ to mig27
mig27 is offline
Hey I just surfed to the site.
Awesome stuff!

many thx !!


Michael
#5
9th January 2006
Old 9th January 2006
  #5
Gear nut
 
SoundChances's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Location: DFW
Posts: 97

SoundChances is offline
Yeah, tons of good info in there.
I hadn't tuned a drumkit in over 10 years and that site got me back up to speed real quick when I hauled off and bought my Gretsch last year.

You said you're happy with your snare, but you might want to consider putting some after market snare wires on there. I recently put some PureSounds on my snare and it's like a whole new drum!
#6
10th January 2006
Old 10th January 2006
  #6
Gear addict
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: philadelphia!
Posts: 400

against88 is offline
What kind of skins shall I get to upgrade the toms?

well it all depends on what kind of sound you want. if you want something more controlled, and something that will be forgiving of imperfect tuning, maybe some 2 ply coated heads. more control you could go with a hydraulic (remo pinstripe or evans hydraulic). maybe stick with evans because the coating wears away much slower than remo (good if you don't plan on changing heads anytime soon)

Are there any other accessories that you can recommend?

some people use moongel to muffle their drums, but i usually just use gaff tape.

How do I have to tune the drums? (Maybe a link?)

you're all set with prof sound!


gooooood luck!
-will
#7
10th January 2006
Old 10th January 2006
  #7
Gear nut
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 133

chuckj is offline
A custom drum builder friend of mine suggested I buy some rim isolation mounts by Gibraltar for my two rack toms on my less than stellar studio kit and it made the toms sound soooooo much better. I think they were about 20 bucks each. Another five bucks for some Moon Gel and you have a cheap and cheerful possible solution to improving your tom sound.
#8
10th January 2006
Old 10th January 2006
  #8
Gear Head
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 39

Blueflame is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckj
A custom drum builder friend of mine suggested I buy some rim isolation mounts by Gibraltar for my two rack toms on my less than stellar studio kit and it made the toms sound soooooo much better. I think they were about 20 bucks each. Another five bucks for some Moon Gel and you have a cheap and cheerful possible solution to improving your tom sound.
RIMS or any isolation mounting system will make a huge difference in your sound, and Moon Gels are great for quick muffling on an as needed basis, especially if you're experimenting (I've always hated tape on my drums). And cheap drums can sound as good as the most expensive kit on earth. (Actually, what I should say is that the most expensive kit on earth can still sound like shit if it's not tuned well). BUT - your drums will most likely sound horrible no matter what you do to them if the bearing edges are corrupt. You can send the drums to any number of good places to get the edges done for about $25.00 a side. It would be money very well spent if you need it done.

There's also a dvd by Bob Gatzen that deals pretty well with drum tuning for non-drummers and beginners. Good luck with it.
#9
10th January 2006
Old 10th January 2006
  #9
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 1,127

dale116dot7 is offline
I got the same problem. But after looking carefully at the toms, we found that they just could not be tuned. The bearing edges are not true, and the shells are warped. The best that we could do with these toms was take off the bottom skins, tune everything lower than it really should be (so that the skins are not really determining much of the sound), and trying to arrange the songs with minimal tom work, and hope for the best. We did replace the ride, crash, and hat with Sabian and Pearl (about $700), and that made the sound not too bad. Actually, pretty decent. Until you hit the toms.

I've also found on these kits, the live snare sound is acceptable but I've found that these kits sometimes have a funny ring about them that an SM57 really doesn't like. For these kits I like to use a C451B as a snare mic, as it sounds more like a snare to me. I find using a 57 makes for a separation in the snare sound - the snare wires are coming in from the overheads and the whack comes from the 57 but they don't seem to gel on this kit like they do on 'nice' drum kits. Even moving the overheads around doesn't really help much. I try to get a good balance of 'whack' and snare wire sound with just the one mic.
#10
10th January 2006
Old 10th January 2006
  #10
Mindreader
 
BevvyB's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Location: London
Posts: 2,606

Send a message via AIM to BevvyB
BevvyB is offline
Speak up Emre!!!

He's gotta have something to say about it!

Bev
New Reply Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook  Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter  Submit Thread to LinkedIn LinkedIn  Submit Thread to Google+ Google+ 
 
Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Similar Threads
Thread
Thread Starter / Forum
Replies
csiking / So much gear, so little time!
7
pro / So much gear, so little time!
12

Forum Jump

SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.