Will Slate VCC Be The End To Large Consoles?

[malko]

Seriously? Who really thinks this will be the case? IF you believe the hype it sure will be

[sparqee]

Grabbing a real fader, knob or button will always be faster and easier than using a virtual interface. In many ways software has a workflow advantage but in other ways hardware excels there. Sound quality is just one consideration. Economics is of course another but ergonomics is critical if you spend all day mixing or need to move fast.

[Steab]

You really got it wrong.
Vcc is obviously not gonna include the physical aspects of a console, which means people are still gonna need preamps, eqs, faders etc..
But yeah, if it's as good as it seems, there will be no reason for otb summing/coloration if the sound of those consoles is what you're looking for.

[sparqee]

I suppose if VCC is really all *that* then it will be the makers of analog summing boxes that will start loosing sales.

[Convectuoso]

From looking at the marketing spiel on their website it honestly sounds like a bunch of BS to me.

Capitalizing on an obvious trend in the audio industry by using buzz words like 'sweet spot', 'imaging' and 'depth' to fool people into thinking this is the magic tool that their mixes are missing.


dfegad

[malko]

^^^ this is what worries me. His drum samples sound like total shit yet the marketing seemed to work.

[Steab]

Originally Posted by malko

^^^ this is what worries me. His drum samples sound like total shit yet the marketing seemed to work.

Here we go..

[drBill]

Originally Posted by malko

Seriously? Who really thinks this will be the case? IF you believe the hype it sure will be

Anyone who has ever used a real console is now thinking

[The dman]

Originally Posted by Steab

You really got it wrong.
Vcc is obviously not gonna include the physical aspects of a console, which means people are still gonna need preamps, eqs, faders etc..

I heard he's going to have that as a free download

[malko]

Originally Posted by The dman

I heard he's going to have that as a free download

[bitman]

YES!

[Teddy Ray]

why all the hateful comments? you gear addicts sure are a nasty lot..

Jesus.. .we have 12,000 new preamps a frigging week, and 6,000 mics, compressors, etc.

I don't see the problem here. If you don't like it, then don't buy it, but there is no reason whatsoever to insult the man or speak ill... He is addressing a need that many folks have. You jump all over him, but don't flinch at the 6.2 million new hardware boxes and the hype that surrounds them every month.

[fantomen]

Originally Posted by drBill

Anyone who has ever used a real console is now thinking

And anyone thinking on building a studio and looking at todays economics in the industry might think the same about your comment.

Once this is out and if it sounds just like the real deal, will be a hard task to convince the guy owning the studio that he should pay tons of k$ because 'even if it sounds the same, it is more fancy or feels better to operate' than a plugin

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by drBill

Anyone who has ever used a real console is now thinking

Orion is cool for some things
it is better for some things, eq is very cool imo
i don´t think is that itb is better for colour
there are other things
rerecord, print the colour, done
pultec, helios and so on
api comp, telefunken tape desk
i love the orion for tracking, but i keep it itb and print the colours
i´m too lazy for recall and nevermind
same with some other desks i tried "my" method with, if you print the channels its ok
recall heaven and sound
summing is BS imo, so says the phase test @ - 60-70db

imo better get one good channel, print it to disk and do it with the whole song

[drBill]

Originally Posted by fantomen

And anyone thinking on building a studio and looking at todays economics in the industry might think the same about your comment.

Only if they've never used a real console. A real console is more about functionality at your fingertips than sound. Even if you can perfectly model the sound, you can't put a console's functionality, workflow, and esthetic in a piece of software. Sorry.

[TonyBelmont]

No. This plugin will have zero effect in that regard.

Consoles will go away when the convenience of mixing ITB outweighs whatever sound quality benefits or workflow habits people have in regards to large consoles.

In some ways, it has already happened.

History shows us that to a point, convenience KILLS everything. This is the reason SSL consoles originally became the mixing standard. Because the convenience of Total Recall.

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

No. This plugin will have zero effect in that regard.

Consoles will go away when the convenience of mixing ITB outweighs whatever sound quality benefits or workflow habits people have in regards to large consoles.

In some ways, it has already happened.

History shows us that to a point, convenience KILLS everything. This is the reason SSL consoles originally became the mixing standard. Because the convenience of Total Recall.

Indeed
SSL was the reason for outboard

[drBill]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

Orion is cool for some things

Sitting in front of a duality today. Nice console.

Nice studio.

Nice Piano.

Nice ammenities.

Nice product. Real. Tangible. Breathing. Lifelike.


Software on a computer is not going to replace all of that. That's marketings job.

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by drBill

Sitting in front of a duality today. Nice console.

Nice studio.

Nice Piano.

Nice ammenities.

Nice product. Real. Tangible. Breathing. Lifelike.


Software on a computer is not going to replace all of that. That's marketings job.

Have fun!

I just mean that i don´t sum on the orion, it´a grat desk and we did replace some things, it went even better
but it´s not the summing imo
so i print the channels and its great for me
laugh, but if i want api sound i print the apis or if i want neve i print trough neves and the orion eqs, or some others
i can reacall within seconds and got a vibe
why is say this?
it´s becaue the console sound is the channel sound and it´s easier to implement this in a full restorable situation, even at any laptop
this worx for me

[drBill]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

laugh, but if i want api sound i print the apis

No man, no laughing here. That's a great way to work.thumbsup

[butterfly]

............if I remember correctly...........there was a new product alert and some comparisons with a real console a while back...............I remember distinctly buying into that hype..........I'm quite gullible that way.........Listening to the files, I was dissapointed, the console simply sounded better. I don't see why this should be any different from when I put my waves cla 1176 on a vocal track believing that it might sound like a 1176 and then run the same vocal through my hardware..........game over. Software is great but it simply doesn't have the vibe, mojo, human-ness.. of great hardware.

[Steven Slate]

Originally Posted by sparqee

Grabbing a real fader, knob or button will always be faster and easier than using a virtual interface..

This is definitely true for me. In my new digital room I'll have 32 Euphonix faders so that will certainly help. The weird thing I've come to find out, is that new guys who have never used a real console find using knobs and faders counterproductive.. they'd rather use a trackball/mouse! Weird, but its happening.

Originally Posted by Convectuoso

From looking at the marketing spiel on their website it honestly sounds like a bunch of BS to me.

Capitalizing on an obvious trend in the audio industry by using buzz words like 'sweet spot', 'imaging' and 'depth' to fool people into thinking this is the magic tool that their mixes are missing.


dfegad

A lot of guys who mix on consoles have said that they create a certain depth and soundstage.. I tend to agree.. and some desks certainly do have a sweetspot that you get to know after using them for a while. Is it that absurd that when we modeled the consoles, we wanted to make sure that this type of dynamic phenomenon was captured? I don't think so. Sure its marketing.. I mean we do want to sell a few of these puppies. But it's marketing based on facts.

Originally Posted by malko

^^^ this is what worries me. His drum samples sound like total shit yet the marketing seemed to work.

Well this is bad news. I thought my drum samples sounded pretty good. There are certainly people out there who seem to like them. But I get what you're saying. If my drum samples are total shit, then the VCC might be total shit too. I would definitely take that into account before purchasing.

Originally Posted by The dman

I heard he's going to have that as a free download

Man I'd love to download a Neve preamp. When I can offer that, please know that I'll be retiring soon after!

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

I don't see the problem here. If you don't like it, then don't buy it, but there is no reason whatsoever to insult the man or speak ill... He is addressing a need that many folks have. You jump all over him, but don't flinch at the 6.2 million new hardware boxes and the hype that surrounds them every month.

This makes sense to me too. We definitely won't hold a gun to your head and force you to buy the VCC. Unless you're in to that kind of thing

Originally Posted by fantomen

And anyone thinking on building a studio and looking at todays economics in the industry might think the same about your comment.

Once this is out and if it sounds just like the real deal, will be a hard task to convince the guy owning the studio that he should pay tons of k$ because 'even if it sounds the same, it is more fancy or feels better to operate' than a plugin

Great point. Its gonna be very interesting for me, an analog console guy, to mix in my new digital room. I'm sure it will take some getting used to, but it'll be fun to learn. Its my opinion that I think the industry is definitely going this way. Maybe the VCC will jumpstart it even more.. we'll see soon enough.

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

No. This plugin will have zero effect in that regard.

Consoles will go away when the convenience of mixing ITB outweighs whatever sound quality benefits or workflow habits people have in regards to large consoles.

In some ways, it has already happened.

History shows us that to a point, convenience KILLS everything. This is the reason SSL consoles originally became the mixing standard. Because the convenience of Total Recall.

Agree with this all the way. My Frankotek (modded Neotek) does not have total recall. So recalling, which btw I have to do quite a bit, really sucks! I can't wait to recall a mix by simply opening a project! So there's the convenience for me at least.. the VCC will provide the sound for me.. So here's hoping I got myself a handy new way to work!thumbsup

Originally Posted by drBill

Sitting in front of a duality today. Nice console.

Nice studio.

Nice Piano.

Nice ammenities.

Nice product. Real. Tangible. Breathing. Lifelike.


Software on a computer is not going to replace all of that. That's marketings job.

It won't for you and it won't for my friend Aris who also has a Duality (which is a lovely console!). But it might for me! Dunno yet.

Originally Posted by butterfly

............if I remember correctly...........there was a new product alert and some comparisons with a real console a while back...............I remember distinctly buying into that hype..........I'm quite gullible that way.........Listening to the files, I was dissapointed, the console simply sounded better. I don't see why this should be any different from when I put my waves cla 1176 on a vocal track believing that it might sound like a 1176 and then run the same vocal through my hardware..........game over. Software is great but it simply doesn't have the vibe, mojo, human-ness.. of great hardware.

Hmmm, my recollection of that thread was that some people chose the plugin as a favorite, some the console.. I think the VCC really nails it, but you'll have to decide that one fo'yo self.

Steven Slate

[pia]

Absolutely! If the result is the goal, not how we get there.

peace

[Convectuoso]

Originally Posted by Slate Press

A lot of guys who mix on consoles have said that they create a certain depth and soundstage.. I tend to agree.. and some desks certainly do have a sweetspot that you get to know after using them for a while. Is it that absurd that when we modeled the consoles, we wanted to make sure that this type of dynamic phenomenon was captured? I don't think so. Sure its marketing.. I mean we do want to sell a few of these puppies. But it's marketing based on facts.

Don't take it personally, which understandably you would, it was a harsh post. But I'd make the exact same comment about HEAT and the Cranesong stuff.

It's like, supposedly according to most companies and general opinion, you were able to make an album on a digital system without these console and harmonic distortion emulation plug ins. Now they're out and it's like "hey, btw, here's what you've been missing for 10+ years".

Idk, it's just my opinion, but imaging and depth etc comes from the engineer moreso than the gear. Which probably goes against the very grain of this forum, but feck it.

Of course I'd give you the benefit of the doubt until I try the product, and totally give myself the opportunity to eat my own words . Nothing about the actual products irk me, it's the general concept.

Sorry if I did insult your person, you've probably put a lot of hard work into your new plug in, but when I see trends in industries and I can see why they're happening (see what makes the world go round: profit) a tiny voice in my head whispers "BS".

[barrythave]

We should start the radio silence. We cannot have opinions about the vcc until we have used it. Until now it's just been marketing and some demo's.

There is no discussion that some like to have a nice console in front of them and a sh..load of gear with knobs on them to turn. There are people who prefer the daw. I guess we all like certain stuff. Some would like to have the VCC and some Waves signature series and finish it off with the FG-X and call it a day. Then they can share their stuff with friends and family, maybe make a buck.

I would like to try out the VCC and see how it helps. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I hope it does.

No reason to attack and defend. Use it or don't.

[ProducerBoy]

Originally Posted by Convectuoso

From looking at the marketing spiel on their website it honestly sounds like a bunch of BS to me.

Capitalizing on an obvious trend in the audio industry by using buzz words like 'sweet spot', 'imaging' and 'depth' to fool people into thinking this is the magic tool that their mixes are missing.


dfegad

After hearing my work played back with and without it... yeah... it's a pretty drastic step in the right direction. I would usually assume it's marketing BS, too. I'm also not a plug fan. However, this VCC thing has to be tried before it's written off. It's a pretty impressive piece of software.

Edit: That said... if consoles die off, I think it'll be for economic reasons... not because of this plug.

[djanthonyw]

I think a lot of people aren't aware or forget that Fabrice Gabriel (Eiosis) is involved in the development and he certainly knows his stuff. Aside from that, no matter how good software is, there will always be people that want hardware so I don't think large consoles will die just as analog synths haven't

[MMski]

No.

[scepstral]

At the end of the day, digital audio is sampled. I don't care how fast you do it, it's still a discrete signal.

[ampwax]

Nope. My plan is to get enough cash and loans to afford a nice console someday. The only problem is, I have no idea which one seeing as there aren't a ton of SSL and Neve desks floating around Spokane, Wa. In fact there are zero. Seeing as the VCC give some insight onto the characteristics of different desks, it might narrow down the search and save some bucks when I can pull the trigger. Plus you get all the pre's, eq, mix buss comp, and inserts on a desk. I think a more proper title to the thread would be," Will VCC's replace summing boxes"?