Oh man, I love the IBP.

[Matt Grondin]

I just used my new IBP for the first time tonight combining bass DI with a mic'ed cabinet.... best bass sound I've ever gotten period. I never had a problem with phase too bad before, but this thing is just awesome and it makes the bass tracks sound so much better. I love this thing... time to buy 3 more JR's... I can't wait to try the DI and re-amp features on it. Thanks Little Labs for making cool shit.

[Fletcher]

They are brutally addicting... I have the 4 frame with 3x IBP Jr.'s and 1x IBP... all 4 get used on damn near every session... like channels of the transient designer we have 8] I just keep finding new applications for the damn things that are of serious assistance to helping me create the layers and textures I'm looking to create.

Congratulations on your epiphany...

[Matt Grondin]

Thanks Fletcher... I bought it from you BTW.

[demonfuzz]

I was just looking at the IBP.

What is this 4 frame you are speaking of?
I am looking for something I can eventually expand to 8 channels of DI.

[Matt Grondin]

It lets you rack mount up to 4 IBP's at once... they are awesome.

Edit: to clarify... the IBP's are awesome... never actually used the 4 frame but I'm sure it does what it says it does.

[demonfuzz]

Where can I find one/see it, didn't see it on Little Labs site.

[Matt Grondin]

Go to mercenary.com and email Fletcher. Or PM him up at the top of this thread. He'll hook you up.

[paterno]

I've got three, and i keep finding new uses for them! Great on floor tom, acoustic guitar, electric gtr -- anywhere you've got multiples on the input source.

JP

[Eric Greedy]

I had to sell mine...but never fear I'll be buying four or more next year

[GPl]

I just gotta add, you don't know what you're missing till you get your hands on these babies. Like fletcher said, keep using them in all kinds of situations. IBP's should be standard fair in every studio......

[rewt_]

How long did it take you guys to get a grasp on the controls? That initial feeling of twisting knobs randomly and hoping it sounds ok was kind of awkward. It's vanished somewhat, but there's still a lot of guesswork involved (for me at least).

[paterno]

Originally Posted by rewt_

How long did it take you guys to get a grasp on the controls? That initial feeling of twisting knobs randomly and hoping it sounds ok was kind of awkward. It's vanished somewhat, but there's still a lot of guesswork involved (for me at least).

I spend a lot of time bypassing it and unbypassing it as I set it. Usually, i find a place that makes a pleasing difference. I've also inverted the polarity and turned the knob until the level seemed to decrease [ or the sound seems to go away -- like phase cancelling], and then re-invert to the correct polarity.

hope this helps a little...

John

[cookiekixx]

when using that thing i like to hit the mono button on the consoles monitor section and actually touch the speaker cone (gently) as i turn the phase knob and physically feel when the cone is pushing the most air. then i usually turn it a little each way to find the best sounding spot but starting with the spot that is pushing the speakers the hardest. anyone else doing this method?

ttyx,chris coady

[Fletcher]

Originally Posted by rewt_

How long did it take you guys to get a grasp on the controls?

I dunno... if I ever get there I'll let you know.

FWIW, I understand what all the controls do [+/-3db] but still randomly twiddle the knob and push the buttons until something I like comes out of the speakers... could take a minute, could take 10, could take 5 or 6 tries before I feel like I've gotten it to really "sit" right in the balance.

[C/G]

Finally put mine through a real workout this past weekend and I don't know why I never had one before. I just twiddle around, then some kind of magic happens. Weird thing is sometimes I can not hear a difference (at the end of the night when my ears and brain were totally shot) but most of the time it is brutally obvious what this box does. It will be cool when I finally wrap my head around all of the controls, but as it stands right now, I want another. thumbsup to Little Labs.

[AlexLakis]

Originally Posted by cookiekixx

when using that thing i like to hit the mono button on the consoles monitor section and actually touch the speaker cone (gently) as i turn the phase knob and physically feel when the cone is pushing the most air. then i usually turn it a little each way to find the best sounding spot but starting with the spot that is pushing the speakers the hardest. anyone else doing this method?

ttyx,chris coady

thumbsup thumbsup

[stellar]

don't you guys all record with computers??

how is this box any different from sliding a waveform over a few samples?

you guys really are slutz.

I could see the use if you had a totally analog setup. maybe.

I've never found that "sliding" tracks into phase sounds all that great.

maybe its just me? am I just missing something?

[cookiekixx]

when i talked to jon little at the aes show last year he explained to me the differences between "time aligning" and "phase aligning". he said he was trying to invent the ibp box using a delay system when his father who is a physicist drew up a diagram of how the whole thing could be done correctly using comb filters. this system became the ibp and is supposed to sound better. i think jon little posts on gearslutz from time to time and maybe he'll drop in on this thread?

ttyx,chris coady

[AlexLakis]

Originally Posted by stellar

I've never found that "sliding" tracks into phase sounds all that great.

maybe its just me? am I just missing something?

It can definately help. If I'm using sound replacer, I'll even go as far as to find samples that are the closest waveform match to the track as possible, and make sure they line up afterwards. It makes it sound tighter, I've found, and if it's off, it can sound terrible.

[D Pinder]

Fletcher is quoted in the IBP manual:

I've considered doing the same thing in a DAW, nudging one signal up or down by the proper amount; it doesn't work the same. Not even close. I've tried it in a DAW, I've tried it with the IBP, the results aren't even marginally close. With a DAW you can move the entire track up or back a frame (or sub-frame) at a time. It'll get you close, but not there.

But most DAWs are not limited to subframe nudging and you should be able to nudge by samples in most cases. So where does this leave us, in terms of the IBP being a good deal? I have used the Multi-Z DI and know that Little makes amazing gear. I'm not in any way suggesting that the box itself is lacking. But is the IBP really doing anything that you cannot acheive with sample-accurate nudge? At this point, it looks like the best way to track is with IBPs, particularly with multiple mics. For bass amp & DI, is speed the only benefit? I'm not arguing—I wanna know.

[D Pinder]

Mr Wagener summed it up on the next page of the manual:

I'd rather hear what it sounds like before it gets printed.

Quite. That's where your 400 bucks goes!

[Doublehelix]

As has been mentioned, phase-aligning is NOT time-aligning. Phase is frequency-dependant and cannot be solved through waveform aligning.

BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

[JohnnyTooLoud]

Originally Posted by Doublehelix

As has been mentioned, phase-aligning is NOT time-aligning. Phase is frequency-dependant and cannot be solved through waveform aligning.

BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

What he said. They ain't even close to the same thing / sound.

Use mine every session.

--Giovanni

[D Pinder]

I re-read that post. Thanks.

[allaccess]

Love love love the ibp, but unless you have a firm grasp on the controls and the time to listen to what its really doing, don't track with it! You can alter it in the mix, of course, but it sounds funny to me to put something through it twice. I'm mixing a record now that was tracked with ibps on a few things, and the user did not help things by attempting correction...

one of these days I will get by JL's to pick up the 2 Jr's that I ordered....

[Sui_City]

D Pinder,

They don't need to re-read the post. They answered your question.

It doesn't matter if you can move waveforms even in increments of sub-samples, you are still moving the entire waveform.

What the IBP does is it allows you to align the phase of 2 mics or something like the bass-mic and DI combo.

When using the IBP, it has a switch on it that allows you to focus the alignment on the bass frequencies or the highs.

By shifting a waveform in a DAW, you are moving ALL the frequencies of that waveform.

[stellar]

Originally Posted by D Pinder

Mr Wagener summed it up on the next page of the manual:

Quite. That's where your 400 bucks goes!

ok; so why don't you just move the mic then? I just saved you 400 bucks!

[stellar]

Originally Posted by Doublehelix

As has been mentioned, phase-aligning is NOT time-aligning. Phase is frequency-dependant and cannot be solved through waveform aligning.

BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

please explain? this sounds interesting.

[Youn]

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthrea...0&page=2&pp=30

Half-way down the page I did an animation that hopefully, somehow, represents what phase adjustment does. I think you'd get similar results using IBP. Hope this helps...

As for simply moving the mic around, well, I think the point is you find the sweet spot of the instrument itself, then using IBP worry about making it fit with all the others. If tracking many musicians at once in a single room it'll be more useful, and of course later on in mixing.

[Eric Greedy]

Originally Posted by Sui_City

When using the IBP, it has a switch on it that allows you to focus the alignment on the bass frequencies or the highs.

By shifting a waveform in a DAW, you are moving ALL the frequencies of that waveform.

Huh?

btw I'm quoted in that manual too..so lay the logic on me...