Is Anyone using Lavry Blue with RME Digi9652 card?

[eligit]

can't get these two things to talk to each other. using the AES adapters recommended/sold by mercenary for this purpose. D/A is "locked" mSync is not. No sound makes it into or out of the computer (os X/mac G4)

was running flawlessly w/ RME ADI 8 DS but now w/ the lavry no signal....

audio input into the lavry is fine (it registers on the front panel meters).

any suggestions?

[matucha]

strange

I have blue AD and RME 9652 (not HDSP), and I only used very crude, but easy solution for me (everything was in the house at the moment). A XLR>mono jack with reduction jack>RCA. Works without any problems, so it stayed like that ;-). And the cable is 5m long, that's actualy longer than Dan Lavry suggest without using the transformer.

[eligit]

Originally Posted by matucha

strange

I have blue AD and RME 9652 (not HDSP), and I only used very crude, but easy solution for me (everything was in the house at the moment). A XLR>mono jack with reduction jack>RCA. Works without any problems, so it stayed like that ;-). And the cable is 5m long, that's actualy longer than Dan Lavry suggest without using the transformer.

i think i just sent you a PM over at PSW....e

anyway, how is your settings dialog box for the card set up?

edit: here's another weird thing: the D/A module DOES interact with the settings on the mac. in other words when i go to "audio/midi settings" in os i can change the sample rate and the D/A on the lavry switches right along with it. also the "lock" is lit on the D/A.

but no audio makes it out of the computer to the converters....it is set to unbalaned operation w/ the jumpers set according to the manual...

[matucha]

I'll answer you here... better for other people, when searching for solutions like this.

But well I don't have one (solution) ;-)))).

I'm on PC and I don't have a DA (though it is ordered at the moment).

The dialogbox? I think I didn't need to set anything to make it work. Just to plug it in and select the channel in the DAW. Signal is there. Of course the dialog window shows lock to the frequency comming out of lavry.


Maybe you have your cables misswired or you have set the jumpers badly. It looks like everything's right at the digital side of chain.

Try to set the jumpers differently, just for an experiment.


And/or write mail directly to lavry, they respond pretty fast thumbsup

[eligit]

Originally Posted by matucha

I'll answer you here... better for other people, when searching for solutions like this.

But well I don't have one (solution) ;-)))).

I'm on PC and I don't have a DA (though it is ordered at the moment).

The dialogbox? I think I didn't need to set anything to make it work. Just to plug it in and select the channel in the DAW. Signal is there. Of course the dialog window shows lock to the frequency comming out of lavry.


Maybe you have your cables misswired or you have set the jumpers badly. It looks like everything's right at the digital side of chain.

Try to set the jumpers differently, just for an experiment.


And/or write mail directly to lavry, they respond pretty fast thumbsup

yeah, it's possible that something is miss wired. i already wrote to lavry.

i'm pretty sure the jumpers have no effect on whether the card and ad communicate and just apply to the analog side of things (balanced/unbalanced issues)....but i'll be doing some more messing around tomorrow.

it's odd because the A/D gets input (can see the meters working) and the D/A says "locked" and yet....no audio.

[22busy]

I have a Lavry Blue but not the RME.

Sometimes these things can malfunction if not clocked correctly, but here's how I'd trouble shoot it.

First check to see if the Lavry D/A is working

1) disconnect all the analog and digital cables from the Lavry and the RME.

2) Connect only the digital output from your RME to the digital in of the Lavry D/A.

3) Connect the analog outputs of the Lavry D/A to a mixer so you can monitor to see if you're getting signal. A small Mackie mixer with headphones would work well.

4) Set your computer software program output to the digital output you just connected to the Lavry. (make sure the computer is set to internal clock)

5) Press play and check for analog signal.

If this works, you can check the A/D using the signal derived from the D/A.

[eligit]

Originally Posted by 22busy

I have a Lavry Blue but not the RME.

Sometimes these things can malfunction if not clocked correctly, but here's how I'd trouble shoot it.

First check to see if the Lavry D/A is working

1) disconnect all the analog and digital cables from the Lavry and the RME.

2) Connect only the digital output from your RME to the digital in of the Lavry D/A.

3) Connect the analog outputs of the Lavry D/A to a mixer so you can monitor to see if you're getting signal. A small Mackie mixer with headphones would work well.

4) Set your computer software program output to the digital output you just connected to the Lavry. (make sure the computer is set to internal clock)

5) Press play and check for analog signal.

If this works, you can check the A/D using the signal derived from the D/A.

do you have the DIP switch in the lavry set to Master?

thanks for the tips....

edit: i'm not getting any audio out so far playing back from logic...

the lock light is on...

where do you set those gain pots (the ones you need the tiny screw driver for)? it's on narrow lock.....

[NathanEldred]

Originally Posted by eligit

can't get these two things to talk to each other. using the AES adapters recommended/sold by mercenary for this purpose. D/A is "locked" mSync is not. No sound makes it into or out of the computer (os X/mac G4)

was running flawlessly w/ RME ADI 8 DS but now w/ the lavry no signal....

audio input into the lavry is fine (it registers on the front panel meters).

any suggestions?

What recording software are you running? You need to make sure you are assigned correctly there, also in the RME virtual mix software. I'm guessing it's not the Lavry, I've seen this a few times and it's usually just a simple software setting.

[eligit]

Originally Posted by NathanEldred

What recording software are you running? You need to make sure you are assigned correctly there, also in the RME virtual mix software. I'm guessing it's not the Lavry, I've seen this a few times and it's usually just a simple software setting.

logic. i am not using the rme virtual software....

i also think it is a setting thing. but i'll be damned if i can figure out which one...

edit: this lack of output also applies to other apps that were running through the card to the old converters (rme adi-8 ds). i was playing itunes, the DVD player, logic, and quicktime...all through the card with zero issues. i could control sample rate with the Apple "audio MIDI settings" box. no prob. i could hook the rme A/D back up but i suspect it will just work like before...so will probably just be a waste of time.

now i get no output out of any of the apps which kind of suggests it's not a setting in just logic...

[Sui_City]

We have this combination working perfectly, although on PC.

First of all, we are not using the MSync clock for the AD's because the clock info is being carried via the AES data from the Lavry to the RME.

Secondly, in our case it has been set up to work with Cubase, and it took some effort. My guess that you are not getting any audio out of the system is that there is a physical digital link that is working between the 2 interfaces, but that there is a settings problem in the software configration that is stopping the audio from going in or out. This is what happened with us.

Make sure that you have the SPDIF IO on the RME properly configured.

Hope this helps.

[22busy]

Originally Posted by eligit

do you have the DIP switch in the lavry set to Master?

thanks for the tips....

edit: i'm not getting any audio out so far playing back from logic...

the lock light is on...

where do you set those gain pots (the ones you need the tiny screw driver for)? it's on narrow lock.....

Make sure the D/A is not being clocked by the A/D. In independent mode the D/A gets its clock from the incoming digital signal and should automatically be running at the correct rate assuming it is getting a good, strong signal to sync to. The manual tells you how to set the dip switches for independent operation. Mine was shipped from the factory configured this way.

Also, it wouldn't hurt to try wide lock. Should sync easier to weak signals that way.

The gain pots are 10 turn pots and can be in any position except off which should be completely counterclockwise.

Do you have a Masterlink or other digital source you could feed into the D/A?

[eligit]

Originally Posted by Sui_City

We have this combination working perfectly, although on PC.

First of all, we are not using the MSync clock for the AD's because the clock info is being carried via the AES data from the Lavry to the RME.

Secondly, in our case it has been set up to work with Cubase, and it took some effort. My guess that you are not getting any audio out of the system is that there is a physical digital link that is working between the 2 interfaces, but that there is a settings problem in the software configration that is stopping the audio from going in or out. This is what happened with us.

Make sure that you have the SPDIF IO on the RME properly configured.

Hope this helps.

hmmm, yeah that kind of makes sense. there IS some connection. the DA responds to settings in the "audio/midi" settings on the computer (ie if i set the mac audio/midi settings box for 44.1 on the D/A the light on the front of the lavry DA changes to 44.1, the lock light flickers and then locks). just no sound, regardless of setting.

there is an additional control for the card that does spdif settings etc. If you have the digi9652 on mac osX i bet you have the exact same thing. i have tried almost every combination on that one.

these are the current settings for he Digi9652:
spdif in: coaxial, spdif Out: "professional", spdif Freq: "no lock", Clock mode: "autosync". Pref Sync Ref: "Spdif In", Sync Ref: Input "Master", Freq: 88.2", Sync Check Adats 1 - 3: all "no lock", AEB: "Adat1 Int box NOT checked"

i have a feeling that unless you are running a mac w/ OSX this might mean nothing to you.

the D/A is set for "independent operation" w/ the DIP switches (off,off,off,on)

the A/D is set for slave, although i also tried it as master (w/ the first dip switch in the other position)

btw i got those fancy transformer adapters that mercenary sells to get ohms to be appropriate so that's not the issue.

this is those: http://www.mercenary.com/neditr.html

those are hooked to regular 15 foot AES/digtal XLR cables. the adapters connect the aes cable to the soundcard.

unfortunately i do not have another digital source on hand, just the digi9652. except for the old converters (rme adi-8 DS) which ONLY use adat optical which is not accepted by the lavry so there is no way to send digital signal from the rme converters to the lavry converters to test them. but since the card was working perfectly before that should be a valid source.
thanks for the advice guys.

chaos

[eligit]

other "small" item: when the output of the card is detached the lock on the DA goes off (logical) and when the input of the card is detached it seems to have no effect on anything...

anyone else want to throw in?

[Sui_City]

Originally Posted by eligit

other "small" item: when the output of the card is detached the lock on the DA goes off (logical) and when the input of the card is detached it seems to have no effect on anything...

anyone else want to throw in?

Not sure if I understand correctly, but keep in mind that the Lary DA and AD have no real interaction with each other. As was mentioned the DA is receiving data from the card. The only way the Lavry AD and DA have any connection is for power. (I've opened my Lavry and had a look around.)

So if I do understand you correctly, that makes absolute sense to me. If the DA is unplugged on either end of the cable, it will lose its clock. If the AD is unplgged from the card, the DA will still function fine.

[eligit]

ok...i'm sure people are sick of this thread but here's a little update...

i now have the unit working in Logic, sounds great, crystal clear. i tracked stuff in stereo and played it back. great.

BUT

i can ONLY get signals coming in and going out on "channels 13 and 14". It looks like IF you send AES signal to the coaxial input of the RME digi9652 soundcard this is the only option and it a default thing.

itunes and other consumer mac apps will not work with these channels. i have tried to send the audio to channels 1 and 2 using the "audio /midi" control panel that controls the global mac audio settings but even tho those upper channels ARE graphically displayed there is NO access to them. they do not respond to the mouse.

does anyone else use the digi9652 with that COAXIAL input (as opposed to the adat/optical ones)? with aes signal? what was your experience in OSX with this situation? it is looking like i would need a newer card that is more easily used for AES to make the lavry work w/ itunes and other mac apps...

which is a bummer because i want to be able to A/B tracks in itunes and hear them through the lavry. otherwise i have to import all critical listening into logic..

so now this is turning into a question about the card, not the converters....

what do you guys think??

don't loose patience w/ me just yet...

thanks
eli