RADAR + Toft ATB 16 = perfect home studio?

[arpodthegreat]

i am looking to upgrade from my Digi 002. instead of upgrading the converters and being stuck with an outdated semi pro system i have decided to go for something pro. i know someone who can help me get a deal on a RADAR so i've settled on this: RADAR, Shadow Hills Gama 8 pre (less than 350 per channel, DI and variable input transformer), and the new Toft ATB 32 channel desk.

I mean RADAR over PT HD right?

Do you think this is a wise decision? i record pretty straight forward, neil young/bob dylan/the band/lynyrd skynyrd rock/folk.

what else do i need to "complete the package" ? i was thinking a stereo comp like an API 2500 for mixing/tracking and a pair (or a pair + 1 of something else) of really good mics that i can use for vocals and drums and and basically everything (although i have good mics). i was thinking a pair of ribbons (coles or royer?) and a Soundelux u195 or maybe a pair of charter oaks?
also i guess i need a patchbay?

[TML]

is this for a commercial venture or personal use....meaning you'll be limited with certain features you had on the 002....
track on the radar....dump and edit on the 002....autotune....soundreplace.....get 8 other outs for the 002 rosetta comes to mind.....and mix on the toft........or dump edits back to radar and mix........just an idea
tim

[jomo1234]

Check your math....the GAMA runs around $500/channel, but is still an amazing price for something of this quality.

Originally Posted by arpodthegreat

i am looking to upgrade from my Digi 002. instead of upgrading the converters and being stuck with an outdated semi pro system i have decided to go for something pro. i know someone who can help me get a deal on a RADAR so i've settled on this: RADAR, Shadow Hills Gama 8 pre (less than 350 per channel, DI and variable input transformer), and the new Toft ATB 32 channel desk.

I mean RADAR over PT HD right?

Do you think this is a wise decision? i record pretty straight forward, neil young/bob dylan/the band/lynyrd skynyrd rock/folk.

what else do i need to "complete the package" ? i was thinking a stereo comp like an API 2500 for mixing/tracking and a pair (or a pair + 1 of something else) of really good mics that i can use for vocals and drums and and basically everything (although i have good mics). i was thinking a pair of ribbons (coles or royer?) and a Soundelux u195 or maybe a pair of charter oaks?
also i guess i need a patchbay?

[arpodthegreat]

Originally Posted by jomo1234

Check your math....the GAMA runs around $500/channel, but is still an amazing price for something of this quality.

yeah i hate making those kinda mistakes. 487 a channel w/o tax. plus i thought i should get the st. ives option on 4 of the channels which means another 150x4

[Kenny Gioia]

I would definitely avoid the Toft console.

I haven't heard one good thing about this console from anyone who's actually heard it and doesn't work for Toft or sell it.

[Legacy]

Hi arpod,

Don't overlook good speakers / amps / room treatments. Perhaps you already have something great in that arena but without it you won't be making much of the other nice new gear.

Best,
Silas

[vudoo]

produceher,

Just curious, where have you heard the Toft console ?? The only prototype available to the public was shown at Namm and there was no audio passing through it because it was not finished yet. Has it been out yet ???

[zimv20]

Originally Posted by Produceher

I haven't heard one good thing about this console from anyone who's actually heard it and doesn't work for Toft or sell it.

can't tell if you're being serious or not.

assuming you are, your statement leads me to ask: have you heard any unaffiliated reports about how it sounds?

[arpodthegreat]

[QUOTE=Legacy]Hi arpod,

Don't overlook good speakers / amps / room treatments. Perhaps you already have something great in that arena but without it you won't be making much of the other nice new gear.

Yeah i have good instruments, i like the way my room sounds, and my monitors are not a "weak link" in my studio.
i'm planning to get some more instruments (synths, rhodes, bass ca, etc...) but this question is dedicated to the recording gear.

as far as producerhead's comment. there's a whole thread on the ATB with over 600 posts. feel free to use that to vent. if anyone has anything to talk about relating to the ATB it should be about the connectivity not the quality of the board. for the money i don't think i could get much more board than this, plus it's new and i get the customer support, which is big deal for me. i'm also happy to guinea pig this product so that i can post something more useable than producerhead.

[jebjerome]

I haven't heard one good thing about this console from anyone who's actually heard it and doesn't work for Toft or sell it.

Have you heard anything from anyone who's actually heard it at all? If yes, what did they say?
I haven't heard anything from anyone who's heard it period.

[lucey]

(if you dont need all the plugs) I like the idea from a tone standpoint ... Radar (really any version) is warm and musical and likes eq, the SH Pre is fantastic (got one to a UK client, he's loving it) ... that new console looks great for the money, although no one has heard it, true enough. Yes, yes, yes to the monitoring as a priority ... the Barefoot 27s for $5900 should be on your list and some room treatments too.

You wont be done though, you'll be adding compression and the like later on ... nothing is enough. thumbsup

[heyman]

Producer needs to be a little more descriptive about the toft console. Is he talking about the pre's... If so, I would still buy the board if it delivers in the eq and summing sections.

Producer- please be more descriptive..

I own a radar. It is a great investment.. You can even use a seperate computer if you like for your edits and plugins in you choose to go that route and reimport the wav files back into RADAR without using external converters.. (this can be done thru a ethernet or Scsi to firewire connection..

The Radar is ROCK SOLID...

[arpodthegreat]

i'm using external pres. console is for monitor and mix

[DC11]

Hmmmmm, this is a pretty sweet idea.

Would a RADAR be better quality then an PTHD w/Apogee or similar?

[Slipperman]

Originally Posted by Produceher

I would definitely avoid the Toft console.

I haven't heard one good thing about this console from anyone who's actually heard it and doesn't work for Toft or sell it.

Hey Kenny.

Curious about this myself.

I have a pair of the Toft ATC-2's and really enjoy the Eq/Comp. I think they really occupy(sonically) an area of outboard that nothing else I own lives in.

As I've noted in other posts.... I have never been a big "B range" fan historically and I find my new affection for these boxes kinda funny(given the common understanding of the design pedigee).

Anyhoo.

I am looking forward to hearing this desk, and suspect(and hope), it kinda does the same stuff as the rack units do. I have not so secret plans to use a coupla them in my little "support suites" here and am hoping the build quality and whatnot is sufficient for those purposes and some simple tracking stuff as well.

Best regards,

SM.

[Kenny Gioia]

I guess everyone missed my dead pan humor. Soory. My fault.

My comment was that "I haven't heard one good thing about this console from anyone who's actually heard it and doesn't work for Toft or sell it" because no one has actually heard the damn thing.

I find it humorous (silly me) when people ask the rest of us to recommend gear that they know nobody has even heard.

Sorry for the confusion.

If the Toft console is half as good as a Series 80 EQ than I will be buying quick. Maybe 2.

Peace.

[arpodthegreat]

sorry to jump down your throat producerhead. well in any case from my communication with the PMI group, the ATB uses the same preamp and EQ as the silver Toft stuff (atc-2, etc...). that EQ has been very well received and the build quality has been said to be very high. the preamps are even half bad and i'm not even gonna be using the preamps 98% of the time. so unless you really have beef with china this thing should work out great.

[Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Produceher

I find it humorous (silly me) when people ask the rest of us to recommend gear that they know nobody has even heard.

tutt

Kenny... you're only going to catch a reel of shit if you try to introduce a rational thought like actually listening to some of this shit... or worse, using it in application and posting an educated evaluation.

Don't you understand that these forums were born to regurgitate buzz words; stereotypes; presupposition/conjecture; and most importantly to reinforce the marketing efforts of those hip enough to figure out how to use this tool for personal gain.

Shame on you.

[GPl]

Originally Posted by Fletcher

tutt

Kenny... you're only going to catch a reel of shit if you try to introduce a rational thought like actually listening to some of this shit... or worse, using it in application and posting an educated evaluation.

Don't you understand that these forums were born to regurgitate buzz words; stereotypes; presupposition/conjecture; and most importantly to reinforce the marketing efforts of those hip enough to figure out how to use this tool for personal gain.

Shame on you.

There's some words of wisdom in there somewhere. If you can hear it, you can call it...

I like the radar idea for sure. I'm really gonna get one I can keep this time around. What radar system are you looking at?

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by Fletcher

Don't you understand that these forums were born to regurgitate buzz words; stereotypes; presupposition/conjecture; and most importantly to reinforce the marketing efforts of those hip enough to figure out how to use this tool for personal gain.

Shame on you.

So does that mean that you think the Toft console will "warm" up my tracks or just give them more "punch"?

I'm just curious because there are no tubes in there.

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by Produceher

So does that mean that you think the Toft console will "warm" up my tracks or just give them more "punch"?

I'm just curious because there are no tubes in there.

LOL.......

[arpodthegreat]

Originally Posted by not_so_new

LOL.......

wether it's tube or solid state doesn't determine if it has punch or warmth. i have no idea if it will but that's not what i'm using it for. my bet is that it will be pretty transperant

[Kenny Gioia]

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[Slipperman]

Originally Posted by Produceher

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HOHOHO.

Merry Xmas you bald bastard.

XOXOXOX

SM.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by slipperman

Slippy'sFist>Produceher's head

HOHOHO.

Merry Xmas you bald bastard.

XOXOXOX

SM.

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[Marjan]

Originally Posted by DC11

Hmmmmm, this is a pretty sweet idea.

Would a RADAR be better quality then an PTHD w/Apogee or similar?

Don't forget the 002 only handles 32 tracks at a time...

Originally Posted by arpodthegreat

wether it's tube or solid state doesn't determine if it has punch or warmth. i have no idea if it will but that's not what i'm using it for. my bet is that it will be pretty transperant

I just hope "transparent" doesn't mean "thin" this time around...

[Marjan]

By the way arpodthegreat, the ATB is apparently capable of taking more than 16 channels... there's also 16 extra "monitor/tape" channels... not as flexible, but eventually enough... depending on your needs... the same goes for the 24 & 32 ch models...
just a thought...

[arpodthegreat]

Originally Posted by Marjan

By the way arpodthegreat, the ATB is apparently capable of taking more than 16 channels... there's also 16 extra "monitor/tape" channels... not as flexible, but eventually enough... depending on your needs... the same goes for the 24 & 32 ch models...
just a thought...

yeah i thought about that. it's a really cool feature. the 16 channel is too small. the 24 channel would work but would be cramped. the 32 channel gives me some extra channels and i feel like the extra investment is worth it. who knows when the extra room will come in handy. i love the idea of having you mic pre come into the same channel as your monitor return, being able to assign the pre to the fader and the mon to the knob for tracking and then with the press of a button switching them for mixing. genius.

sorry producerhead, i'm really bad at picking up on written, internet humor. after reading it again, i got the sarcasm. funny. My sounds are gonna be warm as the sun and three times as big.
i think to keep the sound colored i'm gonna make all the cables using all the different colors that canare has available. then it will sound really fat.
(not bad for a first joke i think)

[Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Marjan

Don't forget the 002 only handles 32 tracks at a time...

I just hope "transparent" doesn't mean "thin" this time around...

Don't forget that a RADAR only handles 24 tracks at a time... unless you have a 48 track system... or a 72 track system... or a 96 track system [continue progression until you get to like 216]

[DC11]

Originally Posted by Marjan

Don't forget the 002 only handles 32 tracks at a time...

I just hope "transparent" doesn't mean "thin" this time around...

PTHD not 002. dfegad 002