that recorderman upside down v with a string thing....

[sadworld]

i tried this technique last nite with a practice kit i have at home and it worked perfectly (tape string to bassdrum and snr.... etc.) the second overhead set right over the drummers right shoulder...but the real kit arrived in the studio today and i tried it and it had me putting the second overhead behind his head... he didn't want to adjust his kit and i can't blame him... what would you do in this situation?

[Vasypher]

I would either XY the mic's angling them so that they faced in between the snare and kick slightly. Or space them and record a bit, listen for phase and adjust as needed. Lately I've been a fan of spacing the mic's fairly far apart over the cymbals and high up in the air, while listening for phase.

[sadworld]

anyone else have an opinion on this? thanks. matt.

[Ol' Betsey]

You know, With the 3 mic set-up I normally just try to get the snare in phase (measure it, check it in mono etc.) and then one day I tried the whole 'kick and snare the same distance from the mic with a piece of string' thing and just got totally friggin' confused, upset and, well, confused and UPSET (I NEVER managed it...), and threw the thing somewhere in between my drummers shoulder and the floor tom and guess what?

It sounded GREAT!

Go figure...

Good luck.

R.

[ramjet]

hi all

just wondering where i can find out about this recorderman stuff. it sounds way interesting

cheers

p.s. yes have done a search and found other cool things but not much on this

[glide 1]

Originally Posted by ramjet

hi all

just wondering where i can find out about this recorderman stuff. it sounds way interesting

cheers

p.s. yes have done a search and found other cool things but not much on this

..just copy/pasted from one of the threads here.



1. sit on the drummer's throne/stool.

2.Hold both drum sticks end-to-end so that you have a measuring device ( aprox. 16"...give or take).

3. place the tip of one end of your new double- length-drums-stick-measuring-device in the center of the snare with the "drum sticks" held vertically.

4. The other end will now(depending on how tall you are) be a little above and in front of your forehead.

5. Place a mic here. I've been aiming it down at the snare as of late...

6. With the tip of the "drum sticks" still in the center of the snare, angle the "stick back and down, so that's it's to the right of your right shoulder ( about a 45 degreee angle)

7. Use amic cable. Measure the distance of the over the snare mic to the center of the kick drum. Check that the "right shoulder" mic is also the same distance.

8. Doulble check the snare distance again.

9. As far as where to face them...experiment. I like the extra snare reinforcement, so as of late I've been facing them both at the snare. facing them at the rack and floor toms also produces good results.

10. one last thing to check. with headphones on, both "OH" mics in your cue mix (only them) .fine tune the placement (i.e. adjust their orientation...usualliy just moving the shoulder one) untill the kick is in the center of your "image"

11. When your done you'll notice that at first glance, this looks very weird and unsymmetrical. Yet it is very symmetrical in it's result. A. Rack toms are higher off the floor than floor toms, so this arrangement actually follows the contour of the toms as they really are. Standard OH micing doesn't take this into account, and as such are usually no more than "cymbal mics". Most of them time you see mixers pulling the OH's down to -10 or more in the mix because of the over abundance of cymbals and badly phased snare/kick/toms in the "OH's". I tend to focus my OH on being a cornerstone of my whole kit sound, and as such, and have spent great pains into making the snare/kick/tom elements speak as well as possible. I guess you could say I'm a "drum bigot". It's just that if you "ignore" the cymbals you actually are going to hear them anyway...like the hat, there just so damn loud.

Now, I'm actually almost overstaing this point (almost to the point of being out of context) ,but I'm doing it, so as to explain my method.

Hope this has been helpful

[ramjet]

hi

cheers for the explaination. i will cut and paste and give it a go

thanx for the help

cheers

[JB872]

I finally decided to register after months of reading all the good stuff on this page. Thanx for all your help.

My question is about the recorderman setup. About a week ago I used the V string method and it sounded great. What was weird was that the snare and kick would show up some time before in the OH R mic than the snare and kick in the OH L mic. If done right, shouldn't kick and snare show up at the exact same time in both mics because they're equal distances away?

[opus]

So the OH Mics dont need to be the same distance apart form eachother as they are from the snare????

[dokushoka]

http://sfrecording.com/videos/DrumRecording.mp4