massenburg eq

[C.Lambrechts]

yea yea ... I know ... not exactly new but it is for me ... I have had it authorised on my ilok for ages but somewhere down the line lost the installer for the software ... and it isn't downloadable so I had to wait for a new installer. our digi headoffice personnaly dropped it off at the studio last friday (tzalk about service huh ... ) and I gave it a thorrow try out over the weekend.

Just thought I'd let you all know that ProTools now has 2 usable eq's : sony with GML option and Massenburg Hi res eq.

to my surprise and also satisfaction they are very different. Which is a bonus. both are as transparent as an eq can get. they don't mess with your sound (which can hardly be said of other plugins)
I ran into a couple of situations where the result with the massenburg was not to satisfaction yet and switching to the sony did a better job. Although that is probably more due to inexperience with the massenburg ...


Both have a great layout over the fader/flip plugin parameters on the ProControl. Dead easy to use.

a + for the Massenburg is that the 5 bands / filters automaticcaly get activated when altered. With the sony or many other plugins one has to activate the band. Of course after that they can be turned off easily.

Only one remark to make. The Q factor on the faders in works the other way around then with the sony. narrow Q is on the top and wide Q is at towards the bottom of the fader. other way around with the sony and more logical to me in that way.

GREAT EQ ... way cool and well worth the money.

[BrianT]

I would highly suggest you try out the UA Cambridge TDM when it becomes available. IMO, it's shockingly good. Simply a cut above any other choice I have in software for most uses. I would expect in good company with the Massenberg and Oxford.

There's a scrrenshot HERE.

And the whole forthcoming TDM suite is shown HERE.

I have a feeling that if these plugs retain the same sonic quality on TDM as on the UA card, you PT guys will definitely want to give a listen. IMO, the 1176, LA2, Pultec and Cambridge are top notch.


Regards,
Brian T

[C.Lambrechts]

I remember seeing it at AES Amsterdam ... and that the very first thing that struck me was the lay out .... and how much it looks like the Oxford. Soon after that the name ... Cambridge ----- Oxford ..... not being English it took me a couple of minutes but ... hmmmm ... isn't there a row your boat competition between the two universities or something....

conclusion ... if you're into the same market ... might as well make it VERY obvious .....

that said ... I will try it out when I can ... thanks for the reminder.

[littledog]

I 've been using a demo version of the Sony Oxford EQ, and I'm wondering if I'm missing out on a lot by not having the GML option. What exactly does that add to the package?

Also, does anyone else wish there were a few presets included (with the Sony EQ) or am I exposing myself as the vulgar untrained amateur that I am? (Yeah, I know... old Neve and API hardware don't have presets either...)

It's not that I depend on stock presets, but sometimes find them useful as a starting point. Interestingly enough, the Sony Oxford Dynamics DOES have some presets included.

My MassivePack just arrived at my dealer's, but I haven't had a chance to pick it up. So soon I'll have the Massenburg too! I'm excited...!

[davemc]

Hey littledog,
Presets what presets, I never got no presets with my Sonys.. well Yes I do agree having some is cool, with the mcdsp stuff it is a starting point...

The GML is really good you can get a demo of it, but wait to you pick up the massive pack and then A/B it. You lucky bugger oredered mine ages ago, given up on it now so its probably due..

[littledog]

Originally posted by davemc
Hey littledog,
Presets what presets, I never got no presets with my Sonys..

Are you sure? On the Sony Dynamics, look for the little grey box in the plug-in window that is labelled factory default when you instantiate the plug-in. Click and hold on that box, and a drop-down window appears with a list of about six pre-sets. (Not very many, but that's six more than come with the EQ). They are labelled something like: "Sony Kick", "Sony Snare", "Sony Bass", "Sony Buss", etc.

It's possible that I have a slightly later version of the Oxford Dynamics than you do, which might account for your not having the presets.

Other than saying the GML option is "really cool", you didn't really tell me exactly what it is or does...?

[alphajerk]

how on earth would you have EQ presets? aside from EFFECT EQ, like telephone, in the other room, etc...

[littledog]

Originally posted by alphajerk
how on earth would you have EQ presets? aside from EFFECT EQ, like telephone, in the other room, etc...

you know, now tht you mention it, it does sound kind of silly. I'm not sure what i was thinking of... sleep deprivation maybe?

One feature that I like about the Waves Renaissance EQ (and others) that the Sony doesn't have is the ability to draw in the graphic envelope (frequency and cut/boost) via handles, etc. right in the graphic chart. With the Sony i have to actually use the virtual knobs with the mouse, which seems a little like the difference between physically having sex and watching it on a video. I guess I'll get used to it after a while.

Now - anyone please want to tell me what the GML option (on the Sony) is, and what I am missing by not having it?

[davemc]

Ok Cool is very general I like it better most times then the stock 4 eqs in the sony. Sounds smoother to me..
Although seeing you have the massenberg(or very soon will have). I would download the demo and see for yourself...
I will do some testing when the massive pack arrives...

As Chris says I would say that the Sony/GML and massenberg will be different. I will just have to see for myself.. Now and tehn the grainyness of the focusrite plug eq is right for some tracks.

[jwh1192]

littledog...

the GML option is on the demo...in the center section you will find it as the last option...

peace john

[FOURTHTUNZ]

Originally posted by alphajerk
how on earth would you have EQ presets? aside from EFFECT EQ, like telephone, in the other room, etc...

The Mcdsp eq's have presets, I can't remember any right now, I haven't used it that much but, ya know.. air, brilliance
they are kind of nice starting points when you first get the software. Alpha I'm thinking about a native DAW, do you know if Mcdsp does stuff for DP?
Peace
daniel

[littledog]

actually, the MacDSP presets are a little different, since the software operates under the premise that it can emulate a number of different classic EQ's and compressors.

so the presets are mostly references to a particular piece of emulated hardware, rather than a particular application or instrument.

[davemc]

Well eventually got the massive pack only a months wait..

Well the massenberg is real nice.. Sounds smoother then the GML on the Sony. Well I played with it only tonight on kick/snare/vox and acoustic.. Have not heard the mix back.. Lucky I have a HD3 as I will be using a few of these in a mix.
I actually do not mind the display.. At least you can see the numbers.

[FOURTHTUNZ]

Originally posted by littledog
actually, the MacDSP presets are a little different, since the software operates under the premise that it can emulate a number of different classic EQ's and compressors.

so the presets are mostly references to a particular piece of emulated hardware, rather than a particular application or instrument.

I haven't actually read the manual yet Which one are you refering to? I have the filterbank on Protoolswhich has e,f,b? banks and the presets are called sheen,breath, presence and some bandlimiting hum killer presets,among others.
Does it tell in the manual which pieces of gear they are modeled on? I'm getting the massive pack which has some more stuff, although I don't know why I bought it, so far I'm not that impressed with plug ins
daniel

[drew]

I am really impressed by the MDW. The Sony too but not as much. What does the Massenburg option add?
drew

[Jules]

Massenburgs algorithems / shapes / curves etc....

The through delay on the Sony is 3 samples... what is it on his own plug in?

[littledog]

I just noticed the other day that the Massenburg doesn't show up on the list of TDM options when I was on a stereo channel or stereo aux or master fader - only on mono channels. Did I have a faulty installation of the software? Is everyone else able to instantiate it on stereo channels or auxes or master faders?

[davemc]

Hey Littledog,

Its only Mono, so you have to use Multi Mono.

Jules
93 or 94 samples. Still really like it.

Drew,

I think you can download teh GML demo to run and see for yourself.

I would have to say after playing with it I really like the interface, yes its not the most inpressive looking plugin. But it is sure easy to use...
Better then those silly knobs on a lot of plugs, that go from 1 to 100 in a blink of a mouse move..

[littledog]

Originally posted by davemc
Hey Littledog,

Its only Mono, so you have to use Multi Mono.

Doh! I am such a sponge brain, i remembered now that i DID think of using multi-mono once to instantiate it on a stereo track. Then proceeded to forget how I did it!

I think my brain is trying to tell me I should be playing shuffleboard and leaving recording to the young and the intelligent.

Holy stereo, Batman! Maybe I can use the same trick to be able to use Amp Farm on a stereo channel! I can't wait to try and see if it works...