Direct hook up to PT HD by Apogee & Prism?

[jon]

Chappy's predicting the 192kHz version AD8000 might be announced in September.

As to direct connection to PT, who knows? I have to admit, I do prefer the Apogee sound for working with Alsihad.

Jon

[jon]

FWIW it seems to me that Roger Robindore of Apogee did say to me last March when he was in Paris that the 192k version would be released within 5-6 months...

FWIW 2: Most freelance engineers in our new room aren't overly hung up about what converters or clock in the machine room are hooked up to the ProTools. Sure, Apogee and Euphonix converters are better in their eyes, but as long as they have 48 outputs from PT coming out to the console, they'll make do. You could almost have 6 888/16s in the machine room and tell them they are working with Prisms...doubt they'd notice one way or another.

Jon

[robdarling]

I wouldn't hold my breath on the ad8k replacement. I've got pretty sure money that they will show something in September but won't ship until at least January.

And unless the kind of enmity I saw at the NAMM show in January has been resolved with some serious mea culpas on both sides and very large hugs, I don't see digi cards, either. I understand they are putting a lot of energy into preparing for super-low latency, host-based firewire designs optimized for the final release of OSX in July. Their long-term bet seems to be with the host-based products. At the flip side, the Digi digital-only i/o now makes it a little less painful to stick with third-party convertors.

I'll second Jon's feelings on what most engineers worry about. As long as the assistant knows the patch bay, there aren't timecode issues or buzzes, and they can get good food very late at night, that is about all that matters.

[Jules]

Why has this thread been moved to the new product area?

YOU guess!



I cant say but I will stomp my feet once for a no and twice for a yes.

yuktyy

[alphajerk]

because of direct hookup? or 192khz compatability? either way i dont care

so who IS wasting 4x's the HD space?

[Jules]

"so who IS wasting 4x's the HD space?"

Goooooood question!

grudge

[alphajerk]

i have still yet to hear anyone unequivocally prove that even going to 96khz is an improvement.... much less 192khz. if *I* were to get a PTHD system, i would rather have 4x's the DSP for more functions like auto delay compensation and better sounding plugins.

[Opus2000]

Originally posted by alphajerk
i have still yet to hear anyone unequivocally prove that even going to 96khz is an improvement.... much less 192khz. if *I* were to get a PTHD system, i would rather have 4x's the DSP for more functions like auto delay compensation and better sounding plugins.

Amen to that!

So....I guess I'm stomping my foot once for you guys......

Opusrollz

[Jules]

Newsflash!

Re: Prisim Dream ADA 8 / 16 ch interfaces

From Prism UK.

I can let you know that we have cracked the interface and do have a
direct hook up with the Digidesign HD system as of last Thursday. It is
definitely not a secret as we have informed many of our distributors, but
we won't be shipping cards for at least another six weeks, so that's
straight of the press.


Jody Thorne
Prism Sound

[C.Lambrechts]

very interesting .... wonder if other companies will be giving them a call to buy that crack.

[Renie]

Hmmm...wonder where Apogee are?

Renie

[Jules]

Probably ordering a Prism unit as we speak 'to look at" and developing 96 & 192 k interfaces...



Ah! Rene, you HAVE a 96k Apogee unit don't you? (Trak2)

[Renie]

Originally posted by Jules
Probably ordering a Prism unit as we speak 'to look at" and developing 96 & 192 k interfaces...



Ah! Rene, you HAVE a 96k Apogee unit don't you? (Trak2)

Interestink..
and yes Trak2 here, direct hook up'd be right handy.

[Brad Blackwood]

Soooooo..............

How are they not going to get their pants sued off by Digi?

I believe Digi has all of the HD interface stuff patented, copyrighted, trademarked, whatever...

[Jules]

Their current Prism Dream ADA was not 'licensed" I believe (?), it too was rumored to be reverse engineered.

Perhaps it's was in the end, not worth suing for the last one, nor will it be for this new one? It would also seem very negative & restrictive in a pro audio world where connecting up different audio toys / tools is often seen as some sort of art form, 'skill' or god given prerogative.

In the UK two of the countries biggest stars - Robbie Williams & Sting are both using Prism converters.... Robbie as a 96k front end - AES via PTHD hardware, and I am not sure how Sting is using his units (he has 8!)

Folks afterall, would have to buy PTHD core & farm cards, software updates, Digi and third party plugins.. thus PT plus its many software partners will remain solidly in the Pro Audio limelight.

Apogee have long been rumored to be preparing their direct hook up for a new 96/192 interface.

The variation available can only be a good thing.

[Brad Blackwood]

Originally posted by Jules
The variation available can only be a good thing.

Oh, I agree completely!

I'm no digi-basher, but I think Digi wants you to buy their HD interfaces regardles of what's good for pro audio. They're supposedly selling 500 systems/month right now - do you think they want to lose all those HD interface sales?

And as for the last 'crack' - I don't think they went after Prism because they had HD on the drawing board before Prism ever cracked the Mix system. Digi (apprantly) has gone through the necessary moves to prevent this with HD.

This could get very interesting...

[nOiz]

well...absolutely...it will be interesting if or when prism finally get that pt hd card out to the public.

[Jules]

frankly I find the intrigue to be in sound quality rather than litigation...

BTW Did anything ever come of UA suing Bomb Factory - that old rumor? (not that I am intrigued!)

[Bob Olhsson]

I don't think digi can do anything more than "not support" Prism with tech support. Their relationship with Apogee goes way back and Apogee's "support" was merely of the original Sound Tools interface which digi was still using for the Mix systems.

I probably wouldn't invest in expensive converters until the manufacturers sort out how to use the newest generation of chips.

[Max]

From apogeeuser.org
http://www.apogeeuser.org/6/ubb.x?a=...9157#690609157

Hi guys, thought I'd chime in here.

Apogee is hard at work on many new and exciting products and technologies, all of which we hope will be very compelling solutions for our customers. That being said, I can tell you that Prism's rumored success in reverse-engineering/cracking the Digidesign interface will have no bearing on Apogee's desicions in this regard.

As for 192k sampling rates, I would like to remind everyone that Apogee, while a definitive leader/innovator in the digital audio world, has never in it's history been driven to force new standards on the industry for the sake of capturing a market sector or selling more boxes. If Apogee were into this type of marketing, we would have come out with a multi-channel 192k converter a few years back. The fact is that 192k is about as relevant to our market now as 96k was 5 years ago when we launched the AD-8000. Very few people are using it.

It is understandable why Digidesign made PTHD capable of 192k sampling rates. As these resolutions become more relevant over the next few years, Digi has somewhat future-proofed their product.

Since Digidesign drives a very large part of the industry, it would be safe to assume that 192k will become relevant even faster now, and rest assured Apogee will address the issue when the time comes.

Until then, Apogee has some very compelling products that sound better at much lower sampling rates than our competitors (the dirty little secret here is that sampling rate has very little to do with the sound quality of the box. If you are hearing a big difference between 96k and 192k you either have bionic ears or you need a better converter).

As to everything else we are working on,
Stay Tuned....

[Jules]

Thanks Max!

(all the cool cats hang on gearslutz!)

[FOURTHTUNZ]

Hey guys, I don't claim to have golden ears, but to me the 192 and Ptools Hd sound good. Rather than spending on outboard converters I think the money would be better spent on Mics and
pres or changing the sound of your room. What do I know I still haven't had a chance to do anything at 96 or 192 maybe today..rollz
Daniel

[jon]

I compared with a PT HD system, and very definitely preferred the Apogee Trak2 at 96k over the HD192 at 192k.

I also felt the Trak2 and HD192 were better than the HD96 at 96k and the 888/24 at 48k.

In other words, though he comes off as the Apogee salesman he is, I agree with Max.

[mixer]

been using the hd system now for about 4 months..with and without apogee trk2. personally i like the sound of the vintage pre going into the digi interface..the 96 and the 192 sound great to me....after using the 888s for years.....also 96k really makes a great difference to me...just seems to open everything up...especially the high end is more detailed...but honestly still do most clients at 48k to be compatable.........

[FOURTHTUNZ]

Originally posted by alphajerk
i have still yet to hear anyone unequivocally prove that even going to 96khz is an improvement.... much less 192khz. if *I* were to get a PTHD system, i would rather have 4x's the DSP for more functions like auto delay compensation and better sounding plugins.

Alpha, no doubt this is tricky territory! I've had HD for 3 months or so and finally in the last month I've gotten around to comparing converters, and sample rates and the only thing that I'd commit to is that I like 96 better on bluegrass, I think
I compared the converters in the 192 VS the converters in my eventide eclipse, I couldn't hear much of a difference on my ADAM s3a's,( which I love! )but that was just one test.
I'm going to be doing alot of drums next month, which I hope to get a spider for, some of the golden ears are saying drums are better at 96k so I'm gonna do some bands and see how it sounds, take care
Daniel

[Jules]

96k as a digital mix capture sample rate is awesome IMHO