New ProControl mark II ???

Jules · 27th May 2002

ONE PERSON on the DUG has been refering to the 'new ProControl" in some of his posts.. I can belive it but perhaps it's just his immagination..

Anyone heard anything?

Branko · 1st June 2002

Spoke to a Digi demo guy in Lisbon (they're doing HD presentations in smaller countries across Europe) couple of days ago, and he said, yes, there's something coming up, but no firm schedule yet and no specs. It will be better, of course...
Branko

Jules · 1st June 2002

Ahhhhh!

I SEE!

Thanks!

Nowak · 2nd June 2002

Lets hope it's BIG and FAT, just like my neighbours.

smokin

Armando · 16th June 2002

I've been holding out for news of an updated or redesigned Pro Control. I hope this is more truth than rumour.

Any one else have any news of this???

Jules · 30th June 2002

Snippage from the DUC

---------------------------------

Kenny Merie

Member
Member # 29203
posted June 29, 2002 09:37 AM ___ __ __ _ _ _ __
------------------------------------------------------------------------
A couple of weeks ago I was at Digiworld or whatever they called it at Universal in Los Angeles. I had a chance to talk with Stan Cotey, Digi's control surface head honcho, who asured me that nothing was on the horizon to replace Pro Control. I did not detect any tight lipped stock company answer on his part and felt like he gave me an honest assesment. Of course I then noticed my wallet, watch and one cuff link missing.
All kidding aside, between getting HD out and running, and more focus on Control 24 than Pro Control, I don't think Digi's attention will be centered on a new control surface for a while.
Thanks to Stan and also Dave Lebolt, who were very generous with their time and knowledge regarding many Pro Tools issues we discussed. Their attention and views on many of the DUC debated topics goes much deeper than one can absorb from their DUC posts. It was nice to know that they really do thoroughly investigate all our DUC rantings and seem to be fully aware of where improvements need to happen.
Kenny Merie

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, there ya go!

yuktyy

Armando · 30th June 2002

Thanks Jules, actually I did read that earlier on the DUC.

I don't know though, when it comes to product info on as-of-yet unreleased products, such as say, a PC II, I don't think many reps will leak any info at all. They don't want the public to stop buying an already existing product in lieu of a new product set to replace it.

Plus, PT HD has all these new settings probably not included with the existing PC or C24.

I'm very tempted to buy a controller now but I know I'd kick myself in the ass if an HD ready newer board get's released in the next few months.

So, atleast for now, I guess I'm SOL.

Jules · 30th June 2002

There is nothing 'non HD ready' about the curent Pro Control that I can think of...

It 'controls it' fine, bottom line...

yuktyy

Armando · 1st July 2002

I value your opinion very highly Jules, but don't you think they will, if not augment the current line(highly doubtful), release a new board/controller which competes with the DM2000, DMX-R200, etc........plus fully supports total control of every aspect of PT HD???

It would be nice if they would give out a bit more info about what's in the works, but I realize this hurts sales.

It would be nice to know if no new products(like a "new" PC or C24) were set for release for another few years, guaranteed! Then I could justify being in this akward "between new and old" stage. Know what I'm saying???

Jules · 1st July 2002

I am slightly confused by your comments, what aspect of PTHD does'nt Pro Control sucessfully deal with at the moment?

Armando · 1st July 2002

Wow, I just posted this minutes ago. Your in the UK aren't you?? What's the current time there?

What I was referring to is PRE control and MIDI I/O control. I'm not a controller owner, so yes, I'm not fully aware of the full capabilities of either PC or C24 but do they has these capabilities built-in?? Did Digi know that far in advance what was coming down the line??

C.Lambrechts · 1st July 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Armando
What I was referring to is PRE control and MIDI I/O control. I'm not a controller owner, so yes, I'm not fully aware of the full capabilities of either PC or C24 but do they has these capabilities built-in?? Did Digi know that far in advance what was coming down the line??

but the pre can be fully oprated from the PC and so can the midi i/o.

Digi probably didn't know that far in advance what was coming down the line but the fact that basically they just build a box with software controlled buttons and pots and sliders is the great thing about Procontrol and control 24. any new feature in the soft can be programmed to control with one of the controllers.

Armando · 7th July 2002

I just downloaded the Pro Control Guide from Digi's site.

Where on the console are the switches for controlling PRE or the MIDI I/O?

Does it have F1, F2, etc....buttons which can be chosen to control those functions? Has anyone actually seen this done, either at a demo or the like? I know PRE just started shipping and MIDI should be out soon.

Jules · 7th July 2002

Good question, have you asked on the Digi site?

You remind me of myself, when I was seeking info on the Pro Control!

I can tell you this, whatever folks have to say about PT the design of the Pro Control is pretty damn amazing.. Someone over there thought of pretty much everything.

Armando · 7th July 2002

Thanks Jules, and yes, I've been over to the DUC asking them related questions. I'm trying to choose between the Pro Control and the Control 24.

I can only budget for one of these right now. I know your a PC owner but have you ever tried the C24? I went to a local dealer who only had a C24 hooked up to PT HD but the salesman was not knowlegable at all. So I played with it a bit. Alot seemed 2nd nature just from working with PTs and other consoles.

I know the fader quality/feel is 100% different but you do get 24 over the 8.

What do you think? Does the PC draw more business than the C24 in terms of are more engineers familiar with its workings?

Jules · 7th July 2002

I dunno about 'draw more business'

the C24 gives you a head start with all the pre's...

I wasnt so keen on the height of the thing...

I would get a second hand Pro Control if I were you with 1 x extra fader pack, making sure all the tranfer papers were taken good care of.

The only advantage I can see of the C24 is that ALL paramiters of a plug in come up the 24 faders - on PC only 8 at a time do - but this is a MILD point not one to chew a brick about..

Both are minus a workable QWERTY keyboard & mouse which is a PITA you just have to deal with...

davemc · 8th July 2002

Yeah a trackball on the control24 would be great.
Had it almost a year now, still use the fricking mouse and keyboard as I do not have to move around the unit.
One day I will start going cold turkey.
I do not mind the faders, although only quickly used the Pro Control ones.
Pres are clean, and usable.. not much personaility, I do not like clean pres normally..

Scribble strip being 4 characters is a joke. Now all my track names
are vox, kick, sn,t1, g157,g1c etc.

Having the auto input monitor selector on the front is cool.
Vegas mode with all 24 channels going is cool for clients.

If you eventually want to go more then 24 you cannot.
You cannot add a surround joystick thing to it later as well.

Diginerd · 15th July 2002

Looks like we're going to be getting Pro Control LE...

Kenny Gioia · 31st July 2002

Here's the deal

I own a Pro Control with 24 faders and I just recently bought a C24 for my house.

I can't believe the difference.

Except for the fader feel, the C24 is way better.

It is just layed out much better.

You reach all 24 faders without moving out of the sweet spot.

You don't need to keep nudging the faders over to get lead vocal in front of you, it's already there.

The plugins and sends are right in front of you.

You hit one button on the channel and all the sends appear before you.

And unlike the Pro Control, there are 24 knobs to control the plugins. not 8.

And those knobs are right in front of you. Not up in the corner.

There are also alot more dedicated buttons for things like,

Write to all/start/end
Apply to all channels

If I was buying right now I would definately get the C24.

As fletcher says "Your mileage may vary"

Jules · 31st July 2002

Hmmmmmm!

C.Lambrechts · 1st August 2002

hmmmmmm too ........ my milage does vary I guess.

Only have 16 faders .... setup with an edit pack between them.

I've spent quite some time on a C24 too.

I agree ... it has some features wich are better .... but the fader feel comes no where near a Pro Control to start with .

I doesn't seem to bother me that I have to reach left or right.

In mixing sessions I do work a lot with locator presets though. which are very handy setup so I know immediately when recalling a locator where which track is.

What bothers me most with the C24 is that is is so high ....

Kenny Gioia · 2nd August 2002

You're absolutely right about the fader feel, but working quicker is much more important to me. I find my tracks without nudging the lead vocal anymore.

I just bank in 24 increments.

I always know where I am.

C.Lambrechts · 2nd August 2002

well at the end of the day it is all about getting it done in the best possible circumstances .... if that is C24 for you ..... great.

2 other great things with C24 is the flip plug parameters to faders .... 24 faders in C24's case ..... only 8 on whatever PC ... only works on the main unit.

a,d the second is the monitor possibilities ... it has surround included. PC is a workaround.

2 other great things with PC ..... edit pack .... couldn't live without one .... there's a HUGE timesaver for you. Even if you don't mix in surround. Jules has the mission control .... very similar and I'm sure he would agree that either mission control or edit pack are essential if it comes down to working fast.

Rather 16 faders and an editpack or mission control then a 24 fader PC

and the second is the iluminated buttons .... and the channel matrix section on the main unit. Took a while to get the 'hang' of it but once you get used to useing it .... no turning back. People often forget about the channel matrix.

best of both worlds would be ideal I guess

davemc · 2nd August 2002

Well the height of the control24 and how big it is is annoying.
My 17" monitor is then higher up as it has that big base.

Kenny Gioia · 5th August 2002

I think the C24's height reminds me of the old Neve's.

It makes the speakers (NS-10's) right at you ear height.

davemc · 5th August 2002

I have my monitors wider then the control24 so that does not worry me.
The 17" monitor is basically on top of it with the base etc it is not only far away, its higher then I am which is a pain.
Might have to look at a LCD screen on a swing ouut arm...

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davemc Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Melb, Australia Posts: 1,021	Yeah a trackball on the control24 would be great. Had it almost a year now, still use the fricking mouse and keyboard as I do not have to move around the unit. One day I will start going cold turkey. I do not mind the faders, although only quickly used the Pro Control ones. Pres are clean, and usable.. not much personaility, I do not like clean pres normally.. Scribble strip being 4 characters is a joke. Now all my track names are vox, kick, sn,t1, g157,g1c etc. Having the auto input monitor selector on the front is cool. Vegas mode with all 24 channels going is cool for clients. If you eventually want to go more then 24 you cannot. You cannot add a surround joystick thing to it later as well. __________________ Bye Ya Dave INDENT

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Branko Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Lisbon Posts: 317	Spoke to a Digi demo guy in Lisbon (they're doing HD presentations in smaller countries across Europe) couple of days ago, and he said, yes, there's something coming up, but no firm schedule yet and no specs. It will be better, of course... Branko

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Armando Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 32	I've been holding out for news of an updated or redesigned Pro Control. I hope this is more truth than rumour. Any one else have any news of this???

30th June 2002	#6
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A Yank in London, UK Posts: 17,356 Thread Starter 1 Review written	Snippage from the DUC --------------------------------- Kenny Merie Member Member # 29203 posted June 29, 2002 09:37 AM ___ __ __ _ _ _ __ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A couple of weeks ago I was at Digiworld or whatever they called it at Universal in Los Angeles. I had a chance to talk with Stan Cotey, Digi's control surface head honcho, who asured me that nothing was on the horizon to replace Pro Control. I did not detect any tight lipped stock company answer on his part and felt like he gave me an honest assesment. Of course I then noticed my wallet, watch and one cuff link missing. All kidding aside, between getting HD out and running, and more focus on Control 24 than Pro Control, I don't think Digi's attention will be centered on a new control surface for a while. Thanks to Stan and also Dave Lebolt, who were very generous with their time and knowledge regarding many Pro Tools issues we discussed. Their attention and views on many of the DUC debated topics goes much deeper than one can absorb from their DUC posts. It was nice to know that they really do thoroughly investigate all our DUC rantings and seem to be fully aware of where improvements need to happen. Kenny Merie ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, there ya go! yuktyy

1st July 2002	#9
Armando Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 32	I value your opinion very highly Jules, but don't you think they will, if not augment the current line(highly doubtful), release a new board/controller which competes with the DM2000, DMX-R200, etc........plus fully supports total control of every aspect of PT HD??? It would be nice if they would give out a bit more info about what's in the works, but I realize this hurts sales. It would be nice to know if no new products(like a "new" PC or C24) were set for release for another few years, guaranteed! Then I could justify being in this akward "between new and old" stage. Know what I'm saying???

7th July 2002	#13
Armando Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 32	I just downloaded the Pro Control Guide from Digi's site. Where on the console are the switches for controlling PRE or the MIDI I/O? Does it have F1, F2, etc....buttons which can be chosen to control those functions? Has anyone actually seen this done, either at a demo or the like? I know PRE just started shipping and MIDI should be out soon.

15th July 2002	#18
Diginerd Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 123	Looks like we're going to be getting Pro Control LE...

31st July 2002	#19
Kenny Gioia Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 8,323	Here's the deal I own a Pro Control with 24 faders and I just recently bought a C24 for my house. I can't believe the difference. Except for the fader feel, the C24 is way better. It is just layed out much better. You reach all 24 faders without moving out of the sweet spot. You don't need to keep nudging the faders over to get lead vocal in front of you, it's already there. The plugins and sends are right in front of you. You hit one button on the channel and all the sends appear before you. And unlike the Pro Control, there are 24 knobs to control the plugins. not 8. And those knobs are right in front of you. Not up in the corner. There are also alot more dedicated buttons for things like, Write to all/start/end Apply to all channels If I was buying right now I would definately get the C24. As fletcher says "Your mileage may vary"

1st August 2002	#21
C.Lambrechts Lives for gear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ans (Liege) Belgium Posts: 3,277	hmmmmmm too ........ my milage does vary I guess. Only have 16 faders .... setup with an edit pack between them. I've spent quite some time on a C24 too. I agree ... it has some features wich are better .... but the fader feel comes no where near a Pro Control to start with . I doesn't seem to bother me that I have to reach left or right. In mixing sessions I do work a lot with locator presets though. which are very handy setup so I know immediately when recalling a locator where which track is. What bothers me most with the C24 is that is is so high ....

2nd August 2002	#22
Kenny Gioia Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 8,323	You're absolutely right about the fader feel, but working quicker is much more important to me. I find my tracks without nudging the lead vocal anymore. I just bank in 24 increments. I always know where I am.

5th August 2002	#25
Kenny Gioia Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 8,323	I think the C24's height reminds me of the old Neve's. It makes the speakers (NS-10's) right at you ear height.