Want to modify my 002 is it possible?

[mikethedrummer]

Make you can make a hybrid with parts from Seventh Circle Audio pres... As far as conversion and clocking though...

Maybe talk to BLA, since they aren't offering the service anymore they technically aren't losing out by you doing it yourself so maybe they can offer some insight to aid you.

[Lil' Psych]

Originally Posted by mikethedrummer

Make you can make a hybrid with parts from Seventh Circle Audio pres... As far as conversion and clocking though...

Maybe talk to BLA, since they aren't offering the service anymore they technically aren't losing out by you doing it yourself so maybe they can offer some insight to aid you.

i asked im waiting on a reply. how would i replace the pre's? i need all the plans and information i can get before i have him do it for me

[mikethedrummer]

No idea, let me know when if/when you get it though. I've considered making an ultra 003+, but not until I take a few electrical engineering courses.
The pres and conversion on the 003/2 series are pretty mediocre and could use some sprucing.

At the same time, it may be more cost effective to just get outboard pres and run them into the 002 through the DI's and/or digitally through spdif and adat. Plus if/when you grow out of the 002 you can still use the pres and converter on their own with your next rig.

That, imo, is the main downfall of the BLA mod. Very expensive, very short sighted, very little return, even if it is a damn good start for the price.

[Lil' Psych]

i know getting outboard pre's might be better but i really don't plan on upgrading past pro-tools 9 (hoping for ADC like everyone else and maybe a "Vari-audio" audio editor like in cubase without upgrading equipment (and even then i might just get the "004" and mod it with the same pieces from my 002 if needed)

so i just want to have fun and be a little more original studio wise and mod my existing gear


BLA said They cant offer and insight into how to upgrade my console, however i read what they did on their website and im going to try and do he same to my console plus replace the pre's with the seven circles you mentioned and we'll see how it goes from there.



i'd still like some insight on how to put those pres in place of the originals.

[Lil' Psych]

i think i asked before but i don't remember so im going to ask again.

can i use other daw's with a 002 console like you can with the rack?

[glenn Taylor]

I don't know if this is the company Bla you are speaking of,but I bought some equipment from this young engineer from Orlando 3 months ago. We talked awhile. He said He had a 002 and it was modified by a company from I think Chicago. He said it sounded better than a 192 with the mod. Same company? If not I will look up the guy.
GT.

[Lil' Psych]

Originally Posted by glenn Taylor

I don't know if this is the company Bla you are speaking of,but I bought some equipment from this young engineer from Orlando 3 months ago. We talked awhile. He said He had a 002 and it was modified by a company from I think Chicago. He said it sounded better than a 192 with the mod. Same company? If not I will look up the guy.
GT.

yep theyre from chicago i know theyre good...but they wont do my console or tell me how so im tryin myself lol

[Lil' Psych]

Is it possible to replace the converter chips themselves?

[MikeFFG]

It's 'possible'...It might be difficult to find a chip that is better. Most of the companies with good ones won't sell you their hardware. A lot of mid-level and low level converters use the same chip actually. You'd probably be better off modding all the analog components, mic pres, filtering the power (some of the things bla does) and this will make the sound better before the A/D and result in a lower noise floor which is a pretty big deal in conversions. I'd ask this question over at the DIY forum and I bet there are guys there with good info. Here's the link : DIY - Index

[Lil' Psych]

Originally Posted by MikeFFG

It's 'possible'...It might be difficult to find a chip that is better. Most of the companies with good ones won't sell you their hardware. A lot of mid-level and low level converters use the same chip actually. You'd probably be better off modding all the analog components, mic pres, filtering the power (some of the things bla does) and this will make the sound better before the A/D and result in a lower noise floor which is a pretty big deal in conversions. I'd ask this question over at the DIY forum and I bet there are guys there with good info. Here's the link : DIY - Index

could i buy these?

AKM - Mixed Signal IC's - Audio Converter - ADC - AK5394A

AKM - Mixed Signal IC's - Audio Converter - DAC - AK4395

[MikeFFG]

Originally Posted by Lil' Psych

could i buy these?

AKM - Mixed Signal IC's - Audio Converter - ADC - AK5394A

AKM - Mixed Signal IC's - Audio Converter - DAC - AK4395

possibly, but who's to say it sounds better? You'd also have to check out the 002 and see if you can just replace the chip and all the pinouts are correct and everything. It may not be just as easy as switching them out...though it could be. It's hard to say without a schematic or really digging through your 002. You may have to literally go in and reverse engineer a schematic for yourself. Without that, it's going to be REALLLLY difficult to do this yourself. But again I would ask over at the DIY thread someone may have some info, my guess is Avid doesn't release any of their proprietary info tho lol.

[joeq]

Originally Posted by Lil' Psych

BLA Wont mod the 002 anymore however i was wondering if there is a way to do it myself?

If you are 'wondering', the answer is probably no

have you ever built anything from a kit, for example?

any blue prints or so on? i have friends that can sodder and weld

it is unlikely you will need any welding

and if you would not be doing the soldering yourself, what would you be doing?

and a riends step dad is an electrition

that will be helpful if you need an outlet to plug it into.

so if i can find plans that will make my 002 console better than the 002r BLA Signature i would love to try it...

with the 002's lightpipe and spdif inputs, and all the products out there for sale that will connect up that way, it seems the long way around to improve your front end. Maybe I am reading between the lines here, but something tells me the absence of 'plans' is not going to be your biggest hurdle in trying to do this mod yourself.

Maybe someone is selling a BLA-modded 002 on eBay or somewhere...

[Lil' Psych]

Originally Posted by joeq

If you are 'wondering', the answer is probably no

have you ever built anything from a kit, for example?



it is unlikely you will need any welding

and if you would not be doing the soldering yourself, what would you be doing?



that will be helpful if you need an outlet to plug it into.



with the 002's lightpipe and spdif inputs, and all the products out there for sale that will connect up that way, it seems the long way around to improve your front end. Maybe I am reading between the lines here, but something tells me the absence of 'plans' is not going to be your biggest hurdle in trying to do this mod yourself.

Maybe someone is selling a BLA-modded 002 on eBay or somewhere...

im not gonna do it myself thats why i need plans and i already stated i wat to modi it i dont have too

[Lil' Psych]

Originally Posted by MikeFFG

possibly, but who's to say it sounds better? You'd also have to check out the 002 and see if you can just replace the chip and all the pinouts are correct and everything. It may not be just as easy as switching them out...though it could be. It's hard to say without a schematic or really digging through your 002. You may have to literally go in and reverse engineer a schematic for yourself. Without that, it's going to be REALLLLY difficult to do this yourself. But again I would ask over at the DIY thread someone may have some info, my guess is Avid doesn't release any of their proprietary info tho lol.

The ad chip has a 123db range and he da has 120db so they cover more frequencies at a higher level

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Lil' Psych

BLA Wont mod the 002 anymore however i was wondering if there is a way to do it myself?

any blue prints or so on? i have friends that can sodder and weld if needed and a riends step dad is an electrition so if i can find plans that will make my 002 console better than the 002r BLA Signature i would love to try it...

I'd be very surprised if an electrician, someone who knows which end of the soldering iron gets hot, and someone with ambition will do anything other than wreck a 002 if they're trying to mod it! An electrician doesn't necessarily have any knowledge of electronics - I mean, they may do, but they're generally dealing with power supplies and safety issues.

Originally Posted by Lil' Psych

i think i asked before but i don't remember so im going to ask again.

can i use other daw's with a 002 console like you can with the rack?

It has a coreaudio driver so yes. I don't think the control surface part will work though.

Originally Posted by Lil' Psych

im not gonna do it myself thats why i need plans and i already stated i wat to modi it i dont have too

Can you retype this one in English? not being a grammar ****, I just don't understand what you mean!

Originally Posted by Lil' Psych

yep theyre from chicago i know theyre good...but they wont do my console or tell me how so im tryin myself lol

Of course they won't hold your hand while you try yourself. Unless there's a parts issue, offer them enough money and they'll do it. Same way no engineer will sit there on the phone with you and talk you through a mix for no money.

My mechanic's great - but I don't phone him up and ask him how to tune my engine over the phone.

Basically, unless you or your soldering friend has significant kit building experience and a good knowledge of electronics, then I can't believe it will end in anything other than a damaged 002. If you can afford that loss, then have a go. Otherwise either buy an already modded 002, live with what you've got, get a 003 (and mod that) or get some external pres etc to go with it. those are the only sensible options.

[Lil' Psych]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

I'd be very surprised if an electrician, someone who knows which end of the soldering iron gets hot, and someone with ambition will do anything other than wreck a 002 if they're trying to mod it! An electrician doesn't necessarily have any knowledge of electronics - I mean, they may do, but they're generally dealing with power supplies and safety issues.



It has a coreaudio driver so yes. I don't think the control surface part will work though.



Can you retype this one in English? not being a grammar ****, I just don't understand what you mean!



Of course they won't hold your hand while you try yourself. Unless there's a parts issue, offer them enough money and they'll do it. Same way no engineer will sit there on the phone with you and talk you through a mix for no money.

My mechanic's great - but I don't phone him up and ask him how to tune my engine over the phone.

Basically, unless you or your soldering friend has significant kit building experience and a good knowledge of electronics, then I can't believe it will end in anything other than a damaged 002. If you can afford that loss, then have a go. Otherwise either buy an already modded 002, live with what you've got, get a 003 (and mod that) or get some external pres etc to go with it. those are the only sensible options.

sorry "im not gonna do it myself thats why i need plans for the man that will do the actual work and i already stated i want to modify it i know outboard would be smarter, but i cant find no one that will buy the 002 and i want to upgrade so i dont see the harm if it gets messed up really

[robertshaw]

upgrading adc chips is not necessarily going to be an improvement.
converter quality is all about adc circuit implementation the analog front and back end the clock etc...

If you don't like the 002 I would just buy another interface/converter.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Lil' Psych

sorry "im not gonna do it myself thats why i need plans for the man that will do the actual work and i already stated i want to modify it i know outboard would be smarter, but i cant find no one that will buy the 002 and i want to upgrade so i dont see the harm if it gets messed up really

well, if you can afford to lose it, go for it.

I can't seriously believe you can't find anyone to buy it though.

Anyway, each to their own.

[Lil' Psych]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

well, if you can afford to lose it, go for it.

I can't seriously believe you can't find anyone to buy it though.

Anyway, each to their own.

i tried to sell it but everyone wants the rack. i just thought a mod would be fun

[mattg082]

egh it would be so awesome to pimp out a 02 or 03 the console versions with 3 api 512cs and a neve like pre with rosetta conversion/clock on it and then 4 more di for whatever other pres you wanted to use in a rack for like 6,000ish in one console. i get one lol

but for now i just have my 002 console with a api 512c, great river spdif to a rosetta 200 and that is great for all my personal needs right now along with the waves ssl and api plugs and psp. logic user now for the higher track count and adc. sucks i cant use my faders with logic :P i hope protools gives us adc and higher track counts for 002 and 003 interfaces then i would be so fn happy.

[Lil' Psych]

Originally Posted by mattg082

egh it would be so awesome to pimp out a 02 or 03 the console versions with 3 api 512cs and a neve like pre with rosetta conversion/clock on it and then 4 more di for whatever other pres you wanted to use in a rack for like 6,000ish in one console. i get one lol

but for now i just have my 002 console with a api 512c, great river spdif to a rosetta 200 and that is great for all my personal needs right now along with the waves ssl and api plugs and psp. logic user now for the higher track count and adc. sucks i cant use my faders with logic :P i hope protools gives us adc and higher track counts for 002 and 003 interfaces then i would be so fn happy.

yea lol i want the same thing ADC would be amazing

[Barish]

Originally Posted by Lil' Psych

Want to modify my 002 is it possible?

Yes it is, but if you are asking this question then I doubt that you are qualified to carry out that calibre of work. Don't fool yourself that you can do it with a soldering iron and a friend's sparky dad, or immediately after taking "a few electrical engineering" courses.

You have no idea what level of skill is involved in modifying such a circuit, particularly one with the SMD technology.

Don't mess up your gear.

B.

[Fruition2k]

For mods or general DIY, head over to DIY - Index

[JoePooch]

If you are seriously considering doing this kind of work in the future, you should first practice on some simple electronic hobby kits. But a project like this, to upgrade an A/D stage on your recording interface, is too advanced for most of the people on this site (me included) and I'm in college studying electronics.

I would never say don't try it, but if you did you would have to do ALOT of prep and research first. In my opinion, the first thing you would need are schematics to the 002 (good luck!)

And after all of the time, parts, and labor are gone...it probably would have been cheaper to just buy a new interface or A/D

[phas3d]

If you don't won't to change the 002, get the Audient ASP008 and connect it through ADAT.