Soundtoys noise bursts when cycling

[henge]

And I don't mean bicycling! Does this happen to anybody elese? When cycling some bars does any instance of a soundtoys plug generate a huge noise burst. It only happens for me when cycling and it can be any ST plug. Been happening since ver 3 of the plugs.

[xist]

never happened on my set-up, if I were you I'd contact them with as many details as possible (Daw, OS, audio card, etc.).

also check if it happens using only Soundtoys plugs creating a simple session without any other plug-in.
I'm sure they're willing to help. Good luck!

[Eloheim]

Originally Posted by henge

And I don't mean bicycling! Does this happen to anybody elese? When cycling some bars does any instance of a soundtoys plug generate a huge noise burst. It only happens for me when cycling and it can be any ST plug. Been happening since ver 3 of the plugs.

Yes! I had this happen to me on Ableton Live 8 when demoing the Soundtoys native set on PC and I thought it might have been part of the restrictions, which I found fairly rediculous and angering. Are you demoing too? What DAW?

After a bit I discovered the following: If I set Live in Arrangement mode to LOOP, then every third/forth (can't remember which) time it loops around to the begining it makes a huge burst of noise at something like +24dbFS! And it was only in the left channel I think. You shoud see if yours is the same. I was so pissed I didn't even bother to fool around wtih it anymore.

[Joao B.]

yes, sometimes i have a loud click when the play bar is approaching a track with a soundtoys plugin, before it reaches the actual track.

I'm using Logic 9, with soundtoys V4.

[henge]

I'm glad to see it's not just me. I'm using Reaper which has a function to mute if the output level goes past a user definable level. So I'll get lots of muting when cycling!! Pain in the ass but I LOVE my Soundtoys. I've emailed their support without luck. Thought I'd bring it up here and see if anyone had a solution.

[KBToys]

Just wanted to let you know that we've added this to our list of things to fix for our next release. Thanks for letting us know about this.

Ken Bogdanowicz
SoundToys

[Joao B.]

keep us posted!

[Izhaki]

I'm having slightly different issues that seem to have to do with SoundToys' plugins. Here is a video demonstrating them:

SoundToys issues with Repear

Cheers,

[xist]

Originally Posted by henge

I'm glad to see it's not just me. I'm using Reaper which has a function to mute if the output level goes past a user definable level. So I'll get lots of muting when cycling!! Pain in the ass but I LOVE my Soundtoys. I've emailed their support without luck. Thought I'd bring it up here and see if anyone had a solution.

Off-topic: this muting thing is a cool feature, I'd love to see it in Logic as well. My ears would appreciate it!

[Kyle Ashley]

Originally Posted by henge

And I don't mean bicycling! Does this happen to anybody elese? When cycling some bars does any instance of a soundtoys plug generate a huge noise burst. It only happens for me when cycling and it can be any ST plug. Been happening since ver 3 of the plugs.

YES! It damn near blew my brains through my ears one night when I was demoing EchoBoy and wearing headphones. I wasn't sure of the source at that point, but the next day it ripped through my Dynaudios as well, and at that point I was able to ID it as a Soundtoys issue. It kept me from purchasing. I reported it to them at the time. Glad to see they're aware of it.

[polymono]

Originally Posted by KBToys

Just wanted to let you know that we've added this to our list of things to fix for our next release. Thanks for letting us know about this.

Ken Bogdanowicz
SoundToys

Any news on this issue please? I'm running 4.02 and still the same noise bursts.

My ears are very, very sore today :(

[DrFrankencopter]

I think Soundtoys native plugins have issues with changing block sizes. If you have the ability to set fixed block/buffer sizes within your DAW that *might* address the problem.

Cheers

Kris

[polymono]

Thanks for the suggestion . I'm running ableton which I think runs fixed blocks anyway by default. I have the plug-in buffer matching my audio buffer. I'll do some experimenting and see how it goes.

cheers again,

[Robobaby]

This reminds me of plugins I've used in the past which required fixed size buffers (not supported by VST standard). If you didn't force them to use fixed buffers they would still make sound but it would break up into horrible bursts of noise just like how you describe.

I use FL Studio and theres an option to force fixed size buffers that stops that kind of crap from happening. I don't know about other DAWs though.

[dublave]

Yeah and I had an EOS reverb after it that just turned it into an explosion! Quite the jarring glitch that is.

[dicmicha]

Success! I found by changing my sample rate from 88200 to 48000 it got rid of the horrible noise bursts in Ableton Live 8.1.4.

[ignatius]

i get noise when automating parameters.. like filter cut off etc.. really a drag

it's just little snapping clicks though.. not so much a burst. it totally ruins it though and makes the plugs unusable in some situations.

[Nolet]

hi,
I have this with UAD EMT 140 sometimes in Ableton Live 7. NEVER with in Cubase. I haven't noticed it with Soundtoys plugs really, and I use them all the time. Seems like an engine problem with Ableton.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by Nolet

hi,
I have this with UAD EMT 140 sometimes in Ableton Live 7. NEVER with in Cubase. I haven't noticed it with Soundtoys plugs really, and I use them all the time. Seems like an engine problem with Ableton.

i'm using logic so it isn't just an Ableton Live thing

[Nolet]

Originally Posted by ignatius

i'm using logic so it isn't just an Ableton Live thing

hmmm...yeah, that's weird then. I never get these noise bursts in Cubase 4. Only in Ableton, and only with UAD EMT 140. Even weirder, it never happens with Soundtoys, whether in Ableton or in Cubase. Still, the problem the OP describes is very very similar to what I experience.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by Nolet

hmmm...yeah, that's weird then. I never get these noise bursts in Cubase 4. Only in Ableton, and only with UAD EMT 140. Even weirder, it never happens with Soundtoys, whether in Ableton or in Cubase. Still, the problem the OP describes is very very similar to what I experience.

i don't get noise bursts.. just clipping noises when automating parameters. probably a different issue.. i just thought i'd add it to this thread since it looked like someone form soundtoys was paying attention

[Eloheim]

Originally Posted by ignatius

i don't get noise bursts.. just clipping noises when automating parameters. probably a different issue..

Yea if you got what I was getting, you'd know it. I swear to god it's (strangely) terrifying! lol

[re_mute]

Got it here with the demo of Echoboy, Live 8.1.4, OSX 10.6.4.
Glad I don't own it if it takes over 3 months for a bug fix.

[Bruce Keen]

Same here on w7 64 ableton 8.1.4 . Blew two tweeters at the same time. Terrifying experience.

[ignatius]

anyone gotten an update on this?

i reported my bug to soundtoys and heard from mitch a few days later. it's something they are sorting out. hopefully they'll have a bug fix for us before too long.

[detritusdave]

I had this in Ableton, and it was driving me crazy. Then I saw a post on the Live forum somewhere that it was due to the buffer setting in Ableton, i.e. the buffer setting had to be a multiple of 16 (I think). As soon as I did this the noise disappeared. Don't know if that's relevant to your situation, but thought I'd mention it.

[henge]

Originally Posted by detritusdave

I had this in Ableton, and it was driving me crazy. Then I saw a post on the Live forum somewhere that it was due to the buffer setting in Ableton, i.e. the buffer setting had to be a multiple of 16 (I think). As soon as I did this the noise disappeared. Don't know if that's relevant to your situation, but thought I'd mention it.

Aren't all buffer settings multiples of 16?
I'd rather have ST take their time to get it right in fixing this. Major pita but ST plugs are indispensable to me. Esy enough to work around, just loop manually.

[detritusdave]

Originally Posted by henge

Aren't all buffer settings multiples of 16?
I'd rather have ST take their time to get it right in fixing this. Major pita but ST plugs are indispensable to me. Esy enough to work around, just loop manually.

Not if you "drag" the buffer size, rather than type it in. Which is what I was doing for no sensible reason...

[Eloheim]

Originally Posted by henge

Aren't all buffer settings multiples of 16?
I'd rather have ST take their time to get it right in fixing this. Major pita but ST plugs are indispensable to me. Esy enough to work around, just loop manually.

This is most certainly not true for me. I tried changing from the default plugin buffer size of "use audio interface buffer value" (which happened to be 512, which is a multiple of 16), to the highest possible size, to the lowest possible size, and finally setting it to 512 manually. None of which did any good. This problem is ridiculously craptastic. Every time I get the pleasure of using echoboy on another rig, I go back home reminded of how great it is and hoping the problem has been fixed, and it's still there just the same.

I do have some fairly terrible stop-gap solutions (in Ableton Live 8) that I can share with anyone that's interested, but it's a huge inconvenience, bad on CPU, often feature sacrificing, and worst of all, very stressful. The thought that a lapse in concentration or wayward click could simultaneously explode my monitors and eardrums, not to mention the accompanying fear-induced heart attack, is enough to drive one mad. Needless to say, all that is too much to handle on a regular basis.

Sorry for all the bitching but just look at how long this thread has been in existence now...

[ignatius]

i'm surprised it's taking them this long to address this bug. i know they are working on that new plug in but it seems they could put such a crucial bug at the top of the list of things to do.