1st April 2010
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#1 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter  | UAD SPL Transient designer vs VST SPL Transient designer vs Hardware SPL TD
Hi Everybody,
What are the diffrence between the 2 vst and hardware version.
Does the SPL TD Hardware sounds better then the SPL TD VST.
And does the SPL TD VST sounds better then the UAD SPL?
What i really want to know is the hardware much better then the vst's?
Hope you can help methumbsup
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1st April 2010
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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sorry cant help.
just posted to say that the evelope shaper in cubase is good.
i use that and the UAD SPL.
i've found that if you want a kick drum to give a nice click, SPL wins.
but, if on the other hand you want to remove an attack from a sound, the cubase envelope shaper works much better.
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1st April 2010
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#3 | | Lives for gear
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Yes thanx.
I have the UAD spl allready i want to know if the SPL TD software/hardware is a upgrade from a UAD spl?
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1st April 2010
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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I`m wondering on this myself. Ive heard people around here say the SPL hardware is the best way to go soundwise, but then again its Gearslutz.
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1st April 2010
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#5 | | Gear addict
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compared to the stillwell transient shaper the uad-td is clean and alter the sound only in a way you want it to, the stillwell is kind of cloudy
the spl attacker was free for a short time and i didnt notice any difference between the uad and the spl, but again ..only the attacker was involved...
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2nd April 2010
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Dubai | +1 for the SPL in Soniccore Scope. 
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2nd April 2010
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#8 | | Gear Head
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I have compare UAD SPL TD and native SPL TD
Yes there is a difference
UAD sounds brighter and open high freq. Native sounds like it has an eq roll off
Also native can be clipped if driven too hard. UAD verson can never be clipped no matter how hard its driven
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2nd April 2010
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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edit: ahh i see we have a user
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2nd April 2010
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#10 | | Gear Head
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Is the hardware version just one stereo pair or 2 mono in and out?
Compared to near unlimited natives or about 20 per UAD card it'd have to sound fantastic to be worth while. Not to mention the A/D passes which many would consider bad
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2nd April 2010
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#11 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by Google Bot Is the hardware version just one stereo pair or 2 mono in and out?
Compared to near unlimited natives or about 20 per UAD card it'd have to sound fantastic to be worth while. Not to mention the A/D passes which many would consider bad | two versions of the hardware exist
TD2 = 2 mono channels - unbalanced
TD4 = 4 mono channels - balanced XLR connections
The SPL plugin sounds very similar to the hardware, maybe obviously, you do not get the same sounding internal limiting with the plug as the hardware and for some thats a big part of the sound (especially if you drive the processing hard!!). I own 8 channels of TD4s and the plugin. The plugin is used a LOT more nowadays...
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2nd April 2010
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Originally Posted by toolskid two versions of the hardware exist
TD2 = 2 mono channels - unbalanced
TD4 = 4 mono channels - balanced XLR connections
The SPL plugin sounds very similar to the hardware, maybe obviously, you do not get the same sounding internal limiting with the plug as the hardware and for some thats a big part of the sound (especially if you drive the processing hard!!). I own 8 channels of TD4s and the plugin. The plugin is used a LOT more nowadays... | #1. can you upload some examples in .mp3 320k or 6MB .wav files?
#2. what plugin version/platform do you have?
UAD?
Protools HD?
Native VST?
Sonic Core?
etc...
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2nd April 2010
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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I did a test between my hardware and the plugin (the grey 500 serie looking one)
and the hardware was better, more dynamic, more GOOD dirt however the plugin was still very good and is definitely usable!
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3rd April 2010
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#14 | | Banned
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I'm all tapped out on cash for a while but if the hardware version can do to drums what Dubai's demos have done, I'm thinking I may have to get one now. That's a pretty groovy little effect!
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9th April 2010
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#15 | | Gear interested
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yes i have heard the two, i would say the vst is awful compared to the UAD, it pops and sounds just rubbish, even when adding realease, i would much rather use shaack audio transient designer over spl vst, if you dont have the UAD one that is... but i would use the UAD spl over all of em, it sounds great... but i dont have UAD 
I love the schaak audio one though, i think it sounds real smooth for adding release to a sound, not as good at adding attack though!
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10th April 2010
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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I got some hope for SPL plugin, as I totally love Transient Designers for many years. One of their milestones products.
Plugin ressembles hardware, as idea 80-90%, but part of real magic is missed. No, I'm not ready to replace HW TD with SW TD.
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9th August 2010
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#17 | | Lives for gear
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How do you use transient designers? On a drum bus or on single channel strips?
I used the TD when i installed the demo a few months ago but it didnt do much for me. To squashed and unnatural sounding. But maybe im missing the point.
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9th August 2010
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#18 | | Gear Guru
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I have a hardware SPL TD at the end of a processing chain to alter reverbs and delays - it's a great tool to give a little extra control over sound shaping.
it doesn't seem like a terribly complex function as far as hardware vs software goes, but for my particular use, hardware is definitely the way to go.
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9th August 2010
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#19 | | Gear addict
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i´m using it in PT HD (fixed point surrounding)...
i aso like the UAD TD much more
the native plugin is only there 70% (plastic no punch)
uad TD is 96% (hahaha)
HW is cooler but if you use it ITB there is not much sense to go HW imho
HW makes sense, if you follow into other HW (otb)
the same with the other newer UAD plugs: MP, fatso etc...
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9th August 2010
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#20 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by joemeek i´m using it in PT HD (fixed point surrounding)...
i aso like the UAD TD much more
the native plugin is only there 70% (plastic no punch)
uad TD is 96% (hahaha)
HW is cooler but if you use it ITB there is not much sense to go HW imho
HW makes sense, if you follow into other HW (otb)
the same with the other newer UAD plugs: MP, fatso etc... | OK so the transient designer plugin is just not all that great sounding.
Turned out for me that it seems to do more harm than good.
I must say i love the bass ranger and the vitalizer plug though.
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12th November 2011
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#21 | | Lives for gear
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I compared UAD, native and analogue TD2. The native is terrible. UAD is amazingly close to the real one.
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12th November 2011
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#22 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by jacko I compared UAD, native and analogue TD2. The native is terrible. UAD is amazingly close to the real one. | yeah I compared the native to the hardware I have both. The native did not punch and grab the signal in the same way as the hardware...interesting about the UAD version...
I might sell my hardware version tho as I need cash if anyones interested...
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12th November 2011
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#24 | | Gear maniac
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Originally Posted by golden beers just posted to say that the evelope shaper in cubase is good.
i use that and the UAD SPL. | ha. i opened this thread to say the exact same thing. It's excellent, and i thinks it's much more capable than the UAD SPL, which i demo'd.
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12th November 2011
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#25 | | Gear addict
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I keep thinking how Native has come really close to DSP quality in recent years, but someday a DAW developer will quit sucking M$ weenie, and make their own OS so we can have true realtime capabilities, but why spend any money when thousands of DAW addicts pay yearly upgrade costs for the OS and the DAW software, dongle, etc.
Then Native plug in developers won't be able to download source code from the internet add a cool picture and sell it anymore.
KVR will be out of business.... 
I haven't heard the hardware for years, but I can say when I heard the UAD and Scope versions, I smiled.
The Native versions just don't let you push the audio source w/o artifacts...It's also why I mix in Scope DSP or hardware. That way I can drive my analog synths into the fire, Kontakt samples sound more full & realistic, etc.
With Native, I hit a wall and always cringe as I raise the db in hopes it doesn't need yet more 1's and 0's to get it to sound un brittle....
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4th January 2013
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#26 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by gizeh12 OK so the transient designer plugin is just not all that great sounding.
Turned out for me that it seems to do more harm than good.
I must say i love the bass ranger and the vitalizer plug though. | I have just downloaded the Transient Designer and the Vitalizer from SPL and the Transient Designer sucks ass. It adds something but takes something else away. I as the above poster, liked the Vitalizer very much so have just bought a hardware version.
I wish I could try a hardware version of the transient designer....it may be that it really works nicely.
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5th January 2013
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#27 | | Moderator
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I used the hardware (TD-4) at some time, it was ok, but not really my thing. Never compared it at the time with software (only equivalent was Logic's enveloper)
Right now using Zynaptic Unveil. It does the job, transparent enough for serious work.
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5th January 2013
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#28 | | Lives for gear
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So far the only use I can see is if someone brings me a drum recording and wants the kick drum tightening. It sorts it in about ten seconds, a job that might take me 2 minutes on a compressor.
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