preamp/channelstrip for elec gtr

preben · 6th June 2003, 08:12 AM

I am looking to upgrade from (or possibly get something to compliment) my SPL Channel 1 channelstrip. 90% of the time I will be using it for recording electric (and also some acoustic) guitar through a MOTU 828.

I have thought about the UA 6167 or possibly something like a Really Nice Pre combined with a Distressor. Possiby an AMEK..?? And obviously I know I'll have to try these things out before buying, so I am just trying to get ball-parking here.

The guitar sounds I like could probably be described as 'meaty 70's sounds': woody, thick - not overly distorted but saturated and punchy. Amps: Fender, Marshall, Vox - so pretty standard stuff :-)

Any ideas will be welcome.

NathanEldred · 6th June 2003, 09:12 AM

Ultimate guitar amp preamp is the Great River NV into a Chandler TG Channel. If you really need compression on a guitar amp (I usually don't, but some extra coloration is always nice), an RNC will be fine for functional usage, I recommend a Distressor or Tube Tech CL1B if you want as much color as you could possibly handle.

preben · 6th June 2003, 09:22 AM

thanks nathan,

I am not particularly looking for compression but was thinking along the lines of the 1176/Distressor-option to imprint some thickness and character on the whole DAW-vibe...

NathanEldred · 6th June 2003, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by preben
thanks nathan,

I am not particularly looking for compression but was thinking along the lines of the 1176/Distressor-option to imprint some thickness and character on the whole DAW-vibe...

Or a FATSO...I think a 1 channel version would be brilliant for those who don't need dual mono. I'd rather have a fat EQ than a compressor for guitars though.

Messiah · 6th June 2003, 09:47 AM

I find the Joe Meek units to be quite agreeable with guitars (...don't remember the model, but I mean the 2U strip type one(?)), but ultimately, it the old 'horses for courses' scenario again...

Fletcher · 6th June 2003, 02:52 PM

I've been quite enjoying the Phoenix Audio DRS-2 on guitars lately... but there are a tone of them that will work really well.

Dan-O · 6th June 2003, 03:29 PM

Quote:

I've been quite enjoying the Phoenix Audio DRS-2 on guitars lately

I haven't found a single thing that dosen't sound great with the Phoenix.

preben · 6th June 2003, 03:34 PM

thanks everyone. Sounds like the concensus more or less is to skip the compressor and just go with a preamp, or am I reading to much between the lines here..??

Messiah · 6th June 2003, 03:55 PM

If I read your post correctly, one of the first things I would question is the quality of the 828 converters... maybe there is a fair bit more juice to be squeezed out of your SPL Channel One with an improvement in the A-D department, which frankly isn't hard to do with an 828. ymmv.

ozraves · 6th June 2003, 08:10 PM

I like the Great River MP-2NV or ME-1NV as well as the FMR RNP.

Steve, www.mojopie.com

mtsupiano · 7th June 2003, 04:08 AM

Well, it really depends on the style of music that you are recording. For distorted Rock, Calrec or API modules can be wonderfull...But they are not the first thing I would reach for on a clean/acoustic guitar sound.

For an overall pre, I would recomend a MP-2NV or possibly a Millenia Media pre. These two would cover a majority of your bases.

preben · 7th June 2003, 09:57 AM

Well, the music I am doing has a lot of sort of 'classic rock' guitars in it. Keith Richards'ey tones (well, sort of anyway) a bit of late 70's Eagles plus it has more recent tones such as Coldplay and even Robbie Williams. So no massive distorted stuff going on but a lot of (hopefully) meaty tones - plus quite a bit of cleanish tones as well.

I have suspected the 828's convertors but I don't know how big any difference will be compared to the preamp scenario. There IS a digital option for the SPL but unfortunately there is no way of trying that without buying it and having it fitted.

Wiggy Neve Slut · 7th June 2003, 12:50 PM

Ditto Phoenix...

These babies are the BUSINESS... i too have not found anything that didnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling of general well being... lol and a sense of gearslutz hysteria too.!

PEACE
Wiggy

barforama · 8th June 2003, 11:13 PM

Great River MP-NV2 or Trident A-Range.

ray dsr · 9th June 2003, 05:04 AM

Also check out the API 7600. Awesome for electric guitar.

LIsound · 5th March 2007, 04:16 AM

We recently were gifted from the heavens with a product (OR 2) from CHANDLER.
The GERM mic pre (with a DI input) blew my mind apart and is still doing so on other input sources. We tracked acoustic gtr w/ a GERM and a distressor in opto mode. We ordered a 2nd on to do stereo w/ 2 akg 414's. It just geot sweeter. Bang for the buck, one of my most flexible pre's. Then we added CHANDLERS tone channel and voila (always wanted to use that one!) 2 germanium devices talking to each other. something even humans have a hard time with! These thing were like aliens bleeding all ove my control room.. Get 1.2..3..?? you'll see. We kept changing comps depending on instrument ex: SUMMIT DCL200 w/GERM for Vox, 1176 for bass,,, scamp for naaa turned it off... Thanks Fletch

woomanmoomin · 5th March 2007, 04:41 AM

Chandler TG-2 ought to be great for Keefy stuff but I just don't know about the other stuff. There are lots of clips at the Listening Sessions:

http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/session2.htm

Dare I say the Neve Portico 5012 does not sound bad to me for lightweight guitar? The sort of stuff you get at the beginning of every lame soap-ish series on BBC TV. I guess it could handle clean Eagles-type stuff well enough.

Incidentally, what the hell is a Robbie Williams guitar tone? I only remember that guy for his excruciatingly commercial style of vocal pap. I like what Morrissey said: 'I like everything about Robbie Williams apart from the songs and the voice.'

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6th June 2003, 08:12 AM	#1
preben Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 793	preamp/channelstrip for elec gtr I am looking to upgrade from (or possibly get something to compliment) my SPL Channel 1 channelstrip. 90% of the time I will be using it for recording electric (and also some acoustic) guitar through a MOTU 828. I have thought about the UA 6167 or possibly something like a Really Nice Pre combined with a Distressor. Possiby an AMEK..?? And obviously I know I'll have to try these things out before buying, so I am just trying to get ball-parking here. The guitar sounds I like could probably be described as 'meaty 70's sounds': woody, thick - not overly distorted but saturated and punchy. Amps: Fender, Marshall, Vox - so pretty standard stuff :-) Any ideas will be welcome.

6th June 2003, 09:12 AM	#2
NathanEldred Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Central Florida Posts: 5,341	Ultimate guitar amp preamp is the Great River NV into a Chandler TG Channel. If you really need compression on a guitar amp (I usually don't, but some extra coloration is always nice), an RNC will be fine for functional usage, I recommend a Distressor or Tube Tech CL1B if you want as much color as you could possibly handle. __________________ Nathan Eldred Atlas Pro Audio- Boutique Gear, Consultation, Sales, & Distibution Home of the Atlas Juggernaut Preamp & 500 Series Revolver Rack USA Distributor for Buzz Audio, Exclusive Distributor for Atlas Pro Audio Gear and OSA Atlas Recording Studios, Inc. Recording/Mixing/Mastering Services

6th June 2003, 09:47 AM	#5
Messiah Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North West Coast, UK. Posts: 602	I find the Joe Meek units to be quite agreeable with guitars (...don't remember the model, but I mean the 2U strip type one(?)), but ultimately, it the old 'horses for courses' scenario again... __________________ Best Regards, Carl.

6th June 2003, 02:52 PM	#6
Fletcher member no 666 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Foxboro, MA USA Posts: 5,778	I've been quite enjoying the Phoenix Audio DRS-2 on guitars lately... but there are a tone of them that will work really well. __________________ Fletcher "I'm not really an asshole... I just play one on the internet" [author unknown] R/E/P the Recording Engineer and Producer forums Mercenary Audio the small drinking company with a large audio problem mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33 We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light

6th June 2003, 09:22 AM	#3
preben Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 793	thanks nathan, I am not particularly looking for compression but was thinking along the lines of the 1176/Distressor-option to imprint some thickness and character on the whole DAW-vibe...

6th June 2003, 03:34 PM	#8
preben Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 793	thanks everyone. Sounds like the concensus more or less is to skip the compressor and just go with a preamp, or am I reading to much between the lines here..??

6th June 2003, 03:55 PM	#9
Messiah Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North West Coast, UK. Posts: 602	If I read your post correctly, one of the first things I would question is the quality of the 828 converters... maybe there is a fair bit more juice to be squeezed out of your SPL Channel One with an improvement in the A-D department, which frankly isn't hard to do with an 828. ymmv. __________________ Best Regards, Carl.

6th June 2003, 08:10 PM	#10
ozraves Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oklahoma City, OK, USA Posts: 1,115	I like the Great River MP-2NV or ME-1NV as well as the FMR RNP. Steve, www.mojopie.com

7th June 2003, 04:08 AM	#11
mtsupiano Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 124	pre Well, it really depends on the style of music that you are recording. For distorted Rock, Calrec or API modules can be wonderfull...But they are not the first thing I would reach for on a clean/acoustic guitar sound. For an overall pre, I would recomend a MP-2NV or possibly a Millenia Media pre. These two would cover a majority of your bases.

7th June 2003, 09:57 AM	#12
preben Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 793	Well, the music I am doing has a lot of sort of 'classic rock' guitars in it. Keith Richards'ey tones (well, sort of anyway) a bit of late 70's Eagles plus it has more recent tones such as Coldplay and even Robbie Williams. So no massive distorted stuff going on but a lot of (hopefully) meaty tones - plus quite a bit of cleanish tones as well. I have suspected the 828's convertors but I don't know how big any difference will be compared to the preamp scenario. There IS a digital option for the SPL but unfortunately there is no way of trying that without buying it and having it fitted.

7th June 2003, 12:50 PM	#13
Wiggy Neve Slut Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,834	Ditto Phoenix... These babies are the BUSINESS... i too have not found anything that didnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling of general well being... lol and a sense of gearslutz hysteria too.! PEACE Wiggy __________________ If i see another 'Which neve clone is better thread... im seriously gona go postal!!!!!!!"

8th June 2003, 11:13 PM	#14
barforama Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 347	Great River MP-NV2 or Trident A-Range. __________________ torsten matthiessen studie barforama www.barforama.dk

9th June 2003, 05:04 AM	#15
ray dsr Gear maniac Join Date: May 2003 Location: Montclair, NJ Posts: 238	Also check out the API 7600. Awesome for electric guitar.

5th March 2007, 04:16 AM	#16
LIsound Gear interested Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1	Pre Skitzo-Mania We recently were gifted from the heavens with a product (OR 2) from CHANDLER. The GERM mic pre (with a DI input) blew my mind apart and is still doing so on other input sources. We tracked acoustic gtr w/ a GERM and a distressor in opto mode. We ordered a 2nd on to do stereo w/ 2 akg 414's. It just geot sweeter. Bang for the buck, one of my most flexible pre's. Then we added CHANDLERS tone channel and voila (always wanted to use that one!) 2 germanium devices talking to each other. something even humans have a hard time with! These thing were like aliens bleeding all ove my control room.. Get 1.2..3..?? you'll see. We kept changing comps depending on instrument ex: SUMMIT DCL200 w/GERM for Vox, 1176 for bass,,, scamp for naaa turned it off... Thanks Fletch

5th March 2007, 04:41 AM	#17
woomanmoomin Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, England Posts: 1,024	Chandler TG-2 ought to be great for Keefy stuff but I just don't know about the other stuff. There are lots of clips at the Listening Sessions: http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/session2.htm Dare I say the Neve Portico 5012 does not sound bad to me for lightweight guitar? The sort of stuff you get at the beginning of every lame soap-ish series on BBC TV. I guess it could handle clean Eagles-type stuff well enough. Incidentally, what the hell is a Robbie Williams guitar tone? I only remember that guy for his excruciatingly commercial style of vocal pap. I like what Morrissey said: 'I like everything about Robbie Williams apart from the songs and the voice.'

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