8th February 2010
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#1 | | Gear nut
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Thread Starter  | U2's Vertigo - one guitar panned hard left, yet SO full sounding!
How did they get that one guitar mix to sound so full? Awesome!
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#2 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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what song?
Fullness can be obtained by ambience and thingz like that
listen to VH records. Like them or not its one gtr panned left
and always huge. Actually not far off from U2, they are both
flooded in tape echo.
I always liked the gtr tone on Bullet the Blue Sky, really cool
and big
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8th February 2010
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#3 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by robertshaw  what song?
Fullness can be obtained by ambience and thingz like that
listen to VH records. Like them or not its one gtr panned left
and always huge. Actually not far off from U2, they are both
flooded in tape echo.
I always liked the gtr tone on Bullet the Blue Sky, really cool
and big | Vertigo. It's not really ambient like most of their other stuff, more raw. Yet huge. Is there some kind of reverb on the right that is virtually unnoticeable?
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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I think Flood did mixing - guy obviously knows stuff, all I can say  | |
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#6 | | Moderator
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On a side note, I know the reason for the "1, 2, 3, 14!" count in, but does anyone know why on the intro, there's someone saying what sounds like "steady down there captain!" in a thick Yorkshire accent?!
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey On a side note, I know the reason for the "1, 2, 3, 14!" count in, but does anyone know why on the intro, there's someone saying what sounds like "steady down there captain!" in a thick Yorkshire accent?! | The guy says: "Turn it up loud, Captain!" for obvious reasons!  | |
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#8 | | Gear addict
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A lot of the ambience on that record sounds like room mics to me.
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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definitely at least some type of distortion box for one. guitar pickup sounds thick too, like a Gib hollow body or something. reminds me of Steve Howes type of bite only thicker and creamier. not the Edges usual pristine grand canyon strat sound. U2 is one band that really takes its sounds seriously. was just listening to With or without you the drum tracks on that song are unreal. I mean it sounds like 3 kits at once at times.
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#10 | | Registered User
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey On a side note, I know the reason for the "1, 2, 3, 14!" count in, but does anyone know why on the intro, there's someone saying what sounds like "steady down there captain!" in a thick Yorkshire accent?! |
some come whats the spanish about then? i dont know!
You know that track is set in stone now, but when you thing about it, a really brave mix hard panning like that for most of the track, just the over dub at the end.
Listen to the poly synth at 2.25 wicked idea that works with a guitar.
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#11 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by Tringboy some come whats the spanish about then? i dont know! | It's actually "unos" not "uno" so Bono is saying "some 2 3 14. He's probably talking about a scripture (more than likely one about temptation, since that's what the song is about). Some book, chapter 2, verses 3-14.
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by shakespearesmans It's actually "unos" not "uno" so Bono is saying "some 2 3 14. He's probably talking about a scripture (more than likely one about temptation, since that's what the song is about). Some book, chapter 2, verses 3-14. | Ha! Or he just sucks at spanish.
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#13 | | Registered User
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so what is the reason then psycho?
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#14 | | Gear addict
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Perhaps a distorted bass track panned hard right at low volume? If done right it can make even relatively clean guitars sound huge and raw, if they're playing the same thing.
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#15 | | Lives for gear
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I think it's really supposed to be 1,2,3,14 with the 14 referencing the fact that Vertigo is their 14th album. I think the unos is really supposed to be uno, just messed his spanish up a bit...
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#16 | | Gear addict
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Flood is one of the best engineers out there. He has really good taste. Just listen to Joshua Tree, enough said.
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#17 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by mamm7215 I think it's really supposed to be 1,2,3,14 with the 14 referencing the fact that Vertigo is their 14th album. I think the unos is really supposed to be uno, just messed his spanish up a bit... | That's the reason I was going to give.
I'm pretty certain what I wrote was the correct words...but I've still no idea why the accent!
I guess it's just a bit of mic banter.
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#18 | | Gear Head
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I love the guitar on this track - I have used this track as a reference in mixing lectures to demonstrate to students how exciting music can be when something is too loud, or sticks out just that little bit too much. It is also a valuable lesson for me every time I hear it, and I try to convince myself that if I were involved in this mix session, and after x number of play-throughs, I wouldn't be tempted to tidy it up and sit it back in the mix
...and I love the way that once the main riff is over the fader is left up to catch all the chugg-chugging which could be so easily have been muted; the effect seems to strongly transport the listener onto the sound stage, exciting stuff!
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey That's the reason I was going to give.
I'm pretty certain what I wrote was the correct words...but I've still no idea why the accent!
I guess it's just a bit of mic banter. | Solo the right channel, it's pretty obvious then.
The booklet says "turn it up loud", which you'll find everywhere else as well. U2 Lyrics - Vertigo http://www.musicroom.com/Images/Cata...s/AM981508.jpg
Don't wanna make a science out of this though.
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#20 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by Ciaccona | Yeah I did...obviously just remembered it wrong.
I still want to know why the silly accent!
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#21 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by shakespearesmans It's actually "unos" not "uno" so Bono is saying "some 2 3 14. He's probably talking about a scripture (more than likely one about temptation, since that's what the song is about). Some book, chapter 2, verses 3-14. | Uh...yeah. I don't think so. I'm gonna go with:
1) He doesn't give a crap about whether his spanish is good or bad; and
2) Catorce flows into the riff, whereas cuatro would be a hard stop that wouldn't fit with the flow of the song/the idea of pulling you into the riff.
I know this to be true, because I read it in Turdadactyl 6:9
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#22 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by Turdadactyl Uh...yeah. I don't think so. I'm gonna go with:
1) He doesn't give a crap about whether his spanish is good or bad; and | Bono puts scripture references practically everywhere, so you can't just write this idea off. In fact, there is a scripture (can't remember which one specifically) that deals with temptation in a 2nd chapter and verses 3-14. Yeah it could just be crap spanish, but I tend to think Bono was thinking a little deeper there, just like he ALWAYS does.
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#23 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by shakespearesmans Bono puts scripture references practically everywhere, so you can't just write this idea off. In fact, there is a scripture (can't remember which one specifically) that deals with temptation in a 2nd chapter and verses 3-14. Yeah it could just be crap spanish, but I tend to think Bono was thinking a little deeper there, just like he ALWAYS does. | It would be nice if his thoughts were deep enough that we couldn't hear them anymore. Just be a singer, dammit!
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#24 | | Gear nut
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I read in Guitar Player that edge used a line 6 DM4 distortion modler as part of the sound and parallel tracked with a Vox for the woody tone for Veritgo.
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9th February 2010
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#25 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by Turdadactyl It was be nice if his thoughts were deep enough that we couldn't hear them anymore. Just be a singer, dammit! | His thoughts are the songs. Without the thoughts, no great U2 classics. But yeah, sometimes he does get a bit carried away.
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#26 | | Registered User
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Originally Posted by Mojohand72 I read in Guitar Player that edge used a line 6 DM4 distortion modler as part of the sound and parallel tracked with a Vox for the woody tone for Veritgo. |
I have that article ill try and find it, i recall that it was a tele custom DM4 but i always thought it was a fender Twin silverface because there was an early video they shot in thier studio of Edge standing next to those strange walls with all the marks on. Wonder if thats on You tube.
Nop i cant find it anywhere but someone has taken that footage and made a remix with it, you can just make out a fender amp on the left hand side behind edge at the end of the video U2-Vertigo-EclecticMethodRemix Video | 2:20 | |
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#27 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Ciaccona The guy says: "Turn it up loud, Captain!" for obvious reasons! | So they copied Lynyrd Skynyrd eh? That's what happened at the beginning of "Sweet Home Alabama", you can hear Ed King (who wrote the song) say, "Turn it Up" before playing the initial riff, cause he couldn't hear it in his cans...  | |
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#28 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by Turdadactyl It was be nice if his thoughts were deep enough that we couldn't hear them anymore. Just be a singer, dammit! | Heh, Classic  | |
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#29 | | Gear maniac
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I'm not sure I'm hearing anything special recording or mix wise, though I could be wrong.
To me it just sounds like a really good guitarist who knows how to get the tone he wants.
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#30 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by Ciaccona The guy says: "Turn it up loud, Captain!" for obvious reasons! | I thought it was a star trek quote or meant to be an off the cuff impression of scotty
Regarding the count, man people want to put so much meaning into everything. There's an extremely good chance that they were slap happy at 4am and said a bad Spanish count, then later thought it was funny and left it in. (They're u2, they can do whatever they want)
I'm not saying it doesn't have meaning, just throwing out a good possibility. Also, they might now be going along with some deaper meaning after hearing it applied post rationally by other people. It happens in architecture all the time.
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