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Old 20th October 2005   #1
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API 500 Series Question

So I know the big three that make modules for the API Series 500 Systems: API, OSA, and Averill.

Are there any other companies I should know about? Or maybe other modules that work in these systems?

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vince dropped a hint recently that he's got the speck EQ in the works for this form factor.
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cool, I'd definitely drop a Speck EQ in one of these. this is why I love the module idea...

I didn't see anything on the buzz audio page about modules...hmmm...

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Enough with the pres, I think the series needs more EQs and comps and other goodies... I wanna see a two-wide unit as well, or something with a door on it like a microwave oven.
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I think Paul Wolf is releasing an adaptor that will make his modules (Tonelux) compatible with the 500 series form factor.
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I think Paul Wolf is releasing an adaptor that will make his modules (Tonelux) compatible with the 500 series form factor.
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Unless its a gramatical error he is doing it...


"I'm not not doing it." ...probably just means it is a while off.
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I saw the thread where Tim mentioned that they were coming out a with a mic pre that would fit the 500 series chasis but is out yet?
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Unless its a gramatical error he is doing it...


"I'm not not doing it." ...probably just means it is a while off.

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500 adapter? Lets just say I'm not not doing it. 500 size products? same...
That sounds pretty final to me. With any luck Paul will clarify for us.
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That sounds pretty final to me. With any luck Paul will clarify for us.

You have never heard such a phrase? To not be doing something means it wont happen... to not not be doing something means it is going to happen but it isn't finalized yet.

It is like saying I won't be not making such a product... which is exactly the same as saying I am making such a product.


Like I said... unless he accidently wrote not twice, he is implying it will happen.
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I saw the thread where Tim mentioned that they were coming out a with a mic pre that would fit the 500 series chasis but is out yet?

Right now the new Buzz Audio mastering EQ and dual mono Fet/Opto compressor are the priority (the ones that showed @ AES). There are already some preorders to fill. Tim is very efficient though and should be able to come out with the 500 series class A preamp relatively quickly. Tim will probably comment here with some realistic ETA's or info.
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You have never heard such a phrase? To not be doing something means it wont happen... to not not be doing something means it is going to happen but it isn't finalized yet.

It is like saying I won't be not making such a product... which is exactly the same as saying I am making such a product.


Like I said... unless he accidently wrote not twice, he is implying it will happen.

You know, I didn't notice the second "not"...
Well I hope he's not not doing it, but I have a feeling he meant he's not doing it - I hope I'm wrong.
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525

Is the 525 API THAT bad? I mean, I have this 11 unit OSA just crying out for more modules. Heck, the blank plates are $50! I need more EQ and dynamics.

Anyone else with dynamics for a 500 series rack?
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Is the 525 API THAT bad? I mean, I have this 11 unit OSA just crying out for more modules. Heck, the blank plates are $50! I need more EQ and dynamics.

Anyone else with dynamics for a 500 series rack?
No... who said they were bad? William Wittman said they were one of his favorite compressors.

Here's a thread where he says he used it for Cundy Lauper's "Girls just want to have fun" vocal...
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showt...hlight=525+api
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The Buzz Audio preamp to fit the 500 series is on the agenda, I do have some other stuff to get thru first, will let you know when it's a bit closer. This will be tranformerless input with our own discrete opamps but transformer coupled output.

Opinions please - do you think metering is necessary?

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Opinions please - do you think metering is necessary?

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I reckon a peak indicator LED will be more than enough... more indepth metering just adds to the price yet provides pretty much the same function... well for me anyway.
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I think I agree. Peak lights are a good idea.
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i hear rummers of the speck eq as well.
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Is the 525 API THAT bad? I mean, I have this 11 unit OSA just crying out for more modules. Heck, the blank plates are $50! I need more EQ and dynamics.

Anyone else with dynamics for a 500 series rack?
525's rock. I bought a pair second hand in the GS classifieds. One of 'em started having detector funkiness, so I called API, and they said "Oh, that's well under warranty! Send it in and we'll fix it for ya!" I'll report when it's back.

It's my fave vocal compressor, and I dig it on acoustic guitars as well. I know there are some guys who like it on drums.

Basically, the attack is kinda fast; it's freq. dependent. The release modes are: (in seconds) 0.1, 0.5, 2.0 and 2.5. I mostly use it in 0.1 for vocals. The D-esser is great on lots of stuff, too.

The compress button is 2:1, the limit button is 20:1. There's a threshold control, a makeup gain and a ceiling (which lowers the threshold and raises the makeup gain with one control.) The cool thing is that there's an 'all buttons in' mode where you literally push 2:1 and 20:1 in and you get a 'nuke' mode.

There's three 2520 opamps and one 2510 in 'em. Hardwire bypass is true bypass, off gets you the circuitry with no compression and no makeup gain.

Sound? Cushy. It's like putting the vocals in a Town Car and sending them downtown.
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Sound? Cushy. It's like putting the vocals in a Town Car and sending them downtown.

Cushy?

Try touchy.

It reminds me a lot of the DBX compression sound.

Functionally its also like the DBX 160SL.

Not much swing in between.

Goes from subtle to hard pretty quick.
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There may be another compressor available for the API 500 series racks very soon....
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Cushy?

Try touchy.



Goes from subtle to hard pretty quick.
I pretty much never use it on any of the release times except for 0.1s which I find helps in this regard.

All of the others are too much for me. But I've always found that it's easy to find the 'zone' with it.

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Is the 525 API THAT bad? I mean, I have this 11 unit OSA just crying out for more modules. Heck, the blank plates are $50! I need more EQ and dynamics.

Anyone else with dynamics for a 500 series rack?
Obviously, I would judge it on it's own merits; if you're uncomfortable with the empty slots, there's always the API EQ's. I could have a lot of 'em before there were unused ones.

525's definitely a keeper IMO.
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You have never heard such a phrase? To not be doing something means it wont happen... to not not be doing something means it is going to happen but it isn't finalized yet.

It is like saying I won't be not making such a product... which is exactly the same as saying I am making such a product.


Like I said... unless he accidently wrote not twice, he is implying it will happen.
Sorry, I live in the DC area. I learned a long time ago to not not answer questions...

I will be designing the adapter so Tonelux fits in the 500 type racks. It should be ready by the end of the year. I may also just do a 500 version of my mic pre and EQ, but a faster way would be the adapter.

Let the fireworks begin...
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OK, now that's newsworthy!
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I may also just do a 500 version of my mic pre and EQ,
Let the fireworks begin...

it is looking more and more like the 500's will be the standard.
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I pretty much never use it on any of the release times except for 0.1s which I find helps in this regard.

All of the others are too much for me. But I've always found that it's easy to find the 'zone' with it.

Ah...got ya.

That makes sense.

Yeah i only ever used it on acoustics guitars.

On vocals i heard the comp a little too much.

I tried to see if i could dial something i liked in and couldn't find a middle ground.

This was a while ago mind you(years actually).

I have a little 4 space rack with 3 EQ's and an API mic pre with John Hardy op amp.

I guess i am just not as gaga as some guys here are with the modules in the racks.

Especially the EQ's.

Even with the resistors on the outputs the sound is always a little edgy too me.

I can't really use them on vocals.

Even for a roll off.

Its strictly drums and bass.

I may just get rid of the whole thing and buy something i can use all around.
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Sorry, I live in the DC area. I learned a long time ago to not not answer questions...

I will be designing the adapter so Tonelux fits in the 500 type racks. It should be ready by the end of the year. I may also just do a 500 version of my mic pre and EQ, but a faster way would be the adapter.

Let the fireworks begin...


Thanks for patching that up

Sounds great
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