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10-15k for Studio(NY)

Hey slutz, Im putting together a project studio(with the chance of going semi-pro) for a guy who wants me to in house engineer. Looking to spend around 10k and this is what ive put together so far. I am planning to get everything from Sweetwater.


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Yeh, pro tools is a "must" but i think we can tag team with logic. Thanks for all the feedback fellas. Ive changed up the setup a bit to squeeze out that 10k

Monitors - JBL LSR4328P Pak $1,199.97
Interface - Digidesign 003 Rack $1,199.97

Keyboard - Yamaha MOTIF XS6 $2,399.99
Computer - Apple iMac 27"/3.06GHz Duo $1,699.00
Mic - Audio-Technica AT4050 $699.97
Preamp - Solid State Logic XLogic Alpha Channel $999.00
Bass Traps - Auralex LENRD Burgundy $279.97
Panels - Auralex SonoFlat Panels $349.97

Desk, Cables, Accessories etc. $1000.00

Subtotal (before shipping & tax): $9,827.84

Since we will be doing alot of Gospel tracks the motif is almost mandatory. (If you've been around Gospel guys, then you know what i mean) I had a MAc pro in here with an MA-200 but i was told to fit in a motif.

Possibly Extra 3-5k for plugs.

I think thats a pretty nice settup for a 10k budget, thanks to the help of fellow slutz ofcourse.
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I'd get the yamaha hsm80s instead of the cx8s...other than that
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I think putting all your eggs in one mic would be a mistake, unless it was something really top-shelf. Even then...
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I'd get the yamaha hsm80s instead of the cx8s...other than that
Thanks rob, i was also looking at the JBL LSR4328P but the HSM80's seem like a pretty strong candidate. Will check em out!!

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I think putting all your eggs in one mic would be a mistake, unless it was something really top-shelf. Even then...
I see where you're coming from but ive after using the 103 first hand, i can honestly say that im in love. Well im split between the c414 as well. Its not that im just following the crowd but i dont have much experience with a variety of mics, just what the only two studios i work at have. What mics do you recommend? Since most mixing will be itb, i want to go for a strong input and out.
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I'd get real speakers and make sure the room was treated properly
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if you're going native, I would seriously consider logic. Pro Tools HD is really great, but LE in my opinion requires too many workarounds. and Logic run natively works like a proper recording/mixing/monitoring/editing system.

If you're only going to have one mic, one that's a little more versatile might make more sense.

a better monitoring chain will serve you in the long run. a really fine d/a and some better monitors will suit you.

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If you're ever going to consider upgrading to not using a FW interface, I would ditch the iMac idea and get a Mac Pro. You can't put a PCIe card in an iMac.
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True, the TLM is not the best all rounder. the c414 possibly the 214 could play the field better. The mac pro would be a better choice but that price tag is hefty. Still weighing all the options though. Thanks again
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get the profire 2626 instead of the 003 and change the mike for a tlm 193 or another superior microphone and a good monitors.
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i mean, what are you gonna be tracking? vocals only?
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Im loving this!!. Real eye openers in terms of variety and options. I will be tracking out mainly vocals, bass, guitars and brass. Drums will most certainly be recorded at another studio for now. Just trying to get the ball rolling.
I appreciate the feedback!
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I've been using the TLM-103 lately at another person's studio, and it's performed remarkably well. I was surprised after reading so many negative reviews. . . .

Obviously you might look into some SM-57's, and maybe an SM-7 as an alternate vocal mic.

Don't forget cables . . . .

And I'm sure you're about to get bombarded by the bass trap crowd, but before they get here, setup in the room, get the furniture, rugs, etc. in there, and take a listen. Then make some decisions about treatment. Ducking for cover now.
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I have a better set up for you......listen closely

1- RME Fireface 800= 1,699.97......Interface
2- A Designs Pacifica= 1,995.97 ....Preamp
3- Peluso p12= 1,300...................Mic
4- Purple audio MC77= 1,800.........Compresor
5- JBL LSR4300= 1,099.................Monitors
6- presonus central station= 500....Monitor controller
7- MDV-DSK Straight Desk= 410.....Desk

The rest you can spent on a computer and some acoustic treatment....
trust me you can cover alot of ground with that studio...trust me.....thumbsupthumbsupthumbsup
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Go used as much as possible. Also dont get the rack+factory, get the rack with 4 line ins so you can add some more pres and save money. Also, maybe get a BLA mod done to it.
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a few more thoughts:
you want the i7 core iMac, not the duo. it's a much more powerful processor.
buy the liquid mix and a few other crucial plugins, but do not spend the 5K on Mercury right now. if anything, you need microphones, not plugins, at this stage.

SM7, RE20, Sennheiser 421, a pair of SDC's or at least one of em, a nice LDC (U87?), and perhaps an AEA ribbon. just examples. Sonic options.

Not that "I'm so smart" or anything, but dude - I don't know of anyone who'd pay for tracking time in a studio with just one microphone!

also, skip outboard for now... you're running 24 bit audio. compress ITB and save the $$.
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I have a better set up for you......listen closely

1- RME Fireface 800= 1,699.97......Interface
2- A Designs Pacifica= 1,995.97 ....Preamp
3- Peluso p12= 1,300...................Mic
4- Purple audio MC77= 1,800.........Compresor
5- JBL LSR4300= 1,099.................Monitors
6- presonus central station= 500....Monitor controller
7- MDV-DSK Straight Desk= 410.....Desk

The rest you can spent on a computer and some acoustic treatment....
trust me you can cover alot of ground with that studio...trust me.....thumbsupthumbsupthumbsup
Depends on the guy he is setting this up for, and their potential clients . .. there may be a reason they specified PT.
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Depends on the guy he is setting this up for, and their potential clients . .. there may be a reason they specified PT.
Yeh it is. ive edited the original post to show my edits. Appreciated all the feedback!!
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you'll probably want to axe the LENRD's. they don't get a lot of love around here. there's thread about them . .
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nothing wrong with the JBLs
or the 003

I would buy a Daking mic pr /EQ
and perhaps a Gefell UMT71

and in order to do this, I would ditch the Motif and buy an inexpensive keyboard controller and rely on Structure and sound libraries (you can buy Motif library if needed)


the Auralex stuff is probably a waste of money. Build real traps.

The iMac might work for you, but it WILL be more limiting than a Mac tower.
FWIW I have an iMac for my home, writing, studio
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nothing wrong with the JBL

The iMac might work for you, but it WILL be more limiting than a Mac tower.
FWIW I have an iMac for my home, writing, studio
not with the i7 quad core. check it out.
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Auralex LENRD[/URL] Burgundy $279.97
I think the foam is a weak link. Better to buy or build some rigid fiberglass type bass traps

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Possibly Extra 3-5k for plugs.


I question the wisdom of spending 5k on plug-ins for a 10k studio!

Especially if you are talking EQs, comps and reverbs. There is great stuff out there quite cheap and how many different EQs do you really need anyway?

plenty of places your money would be better spent

and there are some good suggestions here of specifically where
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not with the i7 quad core. check it out.
If it was me, i wouldve built by own super pc and call it a day but thats another story.
I handed the list over to the "boss" and he wants the TLM 103 in there(i guess cuz brand name stuff is attractive) so i switched the pre over to the 710 twin. That should yield some great results.

The motif was also asked to be squeezed in although i know this dude and my ex-music instructor and now business partnoer(although i still learn alot from him and vice versa) have a slew of musicians at their disposal.
I also ditched the auralex for some bass traps. Thanks for the heads up robmix!

I have to say that GS, minus the trolls, is the number one spot for any info dealing with recording.
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i would go Adam A7 for monitors. just better value for money.
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Is this a 2ch input studio? (vocal and keys ,each overdubed seperatly)
If so getting a 003 is a waste of money.
Better get something like a Maudio pci interface with Spdif and connect a good AD to it something like a rosseta 200 ,that way you will have quality convertion and pro tools.

Spend your money on a good vocal chain , you said your going to record this one guy. find a mic that suits him and get it.
monitoring and acoustics is also a big consideration, dont over look this.

No matter what people say, you can more then manage with built in fx in pro tools mixing wise. spend your money on getting a great signal into your daw.

A passifica or Chandler TG1 is a good idea, great for vocals and also for DIing your keyboard. think about a good vocal comp aswell.
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Is this a 2ch input studio? (vocal and keys ,each overdubed seperatly)
If so getting a 003 is a waste of money.
Better get something like a Maudio pci interface with Spdif and connect a good AD to it something like a rosseta 200 ,that way you will have quality convertion and pro tools.

Spend your money on a good vocal chain , you said your going to record this one guy. find a mic that suits him and get it.
monitoring and acoustics is also a big consideration, dont over look this.

No matter what people say, you can more then manage with built in fx in pro tools mixing wise. spend your money on getting a great signal into your daw.

A passifica or Chandler TG1 is a good idea, great for vocals and also for DIing your keyboard. think about a good vocal comp aswell.
Sound advice on the preamp Tomer. There will be guitars and bass recorded but im trying to make it where we can start asap with room for additional outboard in the future.
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not with the i7 quad core. check it out.
same limitations... no slots (for UAD card for example) and no opportunity to ever go to HD with it, only one Firewire port, etc.
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Why?
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Meh, a $700 PC with Reaper is probably more powerful, and the Motif isnt anything that cant be done with VSTi, def dont buy one new if anything.

But seriously. Desktop PC + Reaper.

Mac + Logic is OK but doesnt offer improved functionality (less actually because you wont have PCIe for a UAD card etc), and costs 4x as much.

How much engineering and mixing experience do you have, just out of curiosity?
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