ITB Mixing and Outboard Gear

daede · 12th October 2005

So how do all you die hard ITB mixers do it? Are you all plugins all the time kinda guys, or do you find a way to make your outboard work on mixdown?

Let's say I have a guitar part, and I want to run it thru an 1176, but I want to ride the levels a little bit in Pro Tools. Would I just print a track run through the 1176 and go from there?

It seems to me that if I auxed it out and back in, that would be just one more unnecessary A to D and D to A conversion.

How would a summing box change the equation?

Kenny Gioia · 12th October 2005

I just reprint everything. It's harder to tweak as I mix but it makes total recall a dream. More important for me.

Fredrik · 12th October 2005

Get a mixer just for doing rides and levels on, setup the auxsends to feed the ADC use pluginfxs in the computer. Insert analog goddies here and there and finaly reprint the whole mix.

daede · 12th October 2005

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Originally Posted by Produceher

I just reprint everything. It's harder to tweak as I mix but it makes total recall a dream. More important for me.

So the sound advantage of the outboard over a plugin equivalent is worth the extra A2D/D2A conversion?

Are you using upgraded converters or stock Digis?

robmix · 12th October 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by daede

So the sound advantage of the outboard over a plugin equivalent is worth the extra A2D/D2A conversion?

Are you using upgraded converters or stock Digis?

I've been doing it for years, I keep all my Neve's, 1176's and everything else normalled to the 192's (and the 888/24's before that). The extra conversion has never hurt me.

daede · 12th October 2005

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Originally Posted by robmix

I've been doing it for years, I keep all my Neve's, 1176's and everything else normalled to the 192's (and the 888/24's before that). The extra conversion has never hurt me.

Nice collection of stuff you have there

cdog · 12th October 2005

I reprint all outboard it so I get 100% recall.

Always apogee X series converters for analog outboard, reamping, etc which is less and less these days. The AD/DA loss is negligible if not inaudible. Most of what I print is the digital returns from my Eventide and Kurzweil FX boxes.

You can get a lot of mileage out a few key analog character pieces by reprinting, or any rental outboard, and still recall the mix months later and it will sound EXACTLY the same. Try that on an analog board.

belairstudio · 12th October 2005

I wouldn't bother at all about conversion if you have a good interface (apogee, prism, even the 192's)

Would you really question if using a neve1073 is worth an AD conv????

As for printing stuff....I used to take pictures of outboard gear and guess what....they once got lost in a HDisk crash!!! I had to remix a couple tracks from scratch!

Now, When the mix is finished, I print EVERYTHING (incl FX) and then make sure the session works as it did before printing.

There's always a f**king recall request behind the corner

Ciao

andre tchmil · 12th October 2005

Guess by "printing" you mean, buss the track with the outboard inserted > record to another track , put the fader at 0dB and save it like that, right?
Or are there other ways ?

belairstudio · 13th October 2005

Hey andre,

I use hardware 2 ways: as an insert or I out the signal to it and return it to an aux/channel

If I insert the HW, then I'll buss the track.

The 2nd solution usualy works best.
When I need to print I create a track with the same input as the aux.

In the first case (insert), if the track is automated it will be represented on the new printed track, that I'll leave to 0

In the second, if the Track is automated, I will need to copy/paste the automation on the new one

Ciao

12th October 2005	#1
daede Gear Head Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 30 Thread Starter	ITB Mixing and Outboard Gear So how do all you die hard ITB mixers do it? Are you all plugins all the time kinda guys, or do you find a way to make your outboard work on mixdown? Let's say I have a guitar part, and I want to run it thru an 1176, but I want to ride the levels a little bit in Pro Tools. Would I just print a track run through the 1176 and go from there? It seems to me that if I auxed it out and back in, that would be just one more unnecessary A to D and D to A conversion. How would a summing box change the equation?

12th October 2005	#2
Kenny Gioia Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 8,523	I just reprint everything. It's harder to tweak as I mix but it makes total recall a dream. More important for me. __________________ It's a journey. Not a destination. Enjoy yours.

12th October 2005	#8
belairstudio Gear addict Joined: Nov 2004 Location: Rome Posts: 322	I wouldn't bother at all about conversion if you have a good interface (apogee, prism, even the 192's) Would you really question if using a neve1073 is worth an AD conv???? As for printing stuff....I used to take pictures of outboard gear and guess what....they once got lost in a HDisk crash!!! I had to remix a couple tracks from scratch! Now, When the mix is finished, I print EVERYTHING (incl FX) and then make sure the session works as it did before printing. There's always a f**king recall request behind the corner Ciao __________________ Ciao www.albertolombardi.com www.myspace.com/albertolombardi

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Fredrik Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,228	Get a mixer just for doing rides and levels on, setup the auxsends to feed the ADC use pluginfxs in the computer. Insert analog goddies here and there and finaly reprint the whole mix.

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cdog Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2003 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 3,559 3 Reviews written	I reprint all outboard it so I get 100% recall. Always apogee X series converters for analog outboard, reamping, etc which is less and less these days. The AD/DA loss is negligible if not inaudible. Most of what I print is the digital returns from my Eventide and Kurzweil FX boxes. You can get a lot of mileage out a few key analog character pieces by reprinting, or any rental outboard, and still recall the mix months later and it will sound EXACTLY the same. Try that on an analog board.

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andre tchmil Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2002 Location: always on the move Posts: 750	Guess by "printing" you mean, buss the track with the outboard inserted > record to another track , put the fader at 0dB and save it like that, right? Or are there other ways ?

13th October 2005	#10
belairstudio Gear addict Joined: Nov 2004 Location: Rome Posts: 322	Hey andre, I use hardware 2 ways: as an insert or I out the signal to it and return it to an aux/channel If I insert the HW, then I'll buss the track. The 2nd solution usualy works best. When I need to print I create a track with the same input as the aux. In the first case (insert), if the track is automated it will be represented on the new printed track, that I'll leave to 0 In the second, if the Track is automated, I will need to copy/paste the automation on the new one Ciao