John Lennon Vocal Effect

ScumBum · 11th December 2009, 02:39 AM

How do you get this Vocal effect ?

vincentvangogo · 11th December 2009, 02:45 AM

U67, a bit of tape delay, MCI board (I think) and poss a bit of EMT 140 reverb plate.

(Hearing him speak at the beginning, plus the song is a reminder of just how nakedly honest he was. Rock is like politics these days, no one seem to truly speak their minds anymore in case it harms their careers.)

ScumBum · 11th December 2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vincentvangogo

U67, a bit of tape delay, MCI board (I think) and poss a bit of EMT 140 reverb plate.

(Hearing him speak at the beginning, plus the song is a reminder of just how nakedly honest he was. Rock is like politics these days, no one seem to truly speak their minds anymore in case it harms their careers.)

How can I mimic tape delay with a Digital Delay ?

FeatheredSerpent · 11th December 2009, 02:54 AM

Of all the bands and musicians I was into growing up, he is the only one that I really actually idolised.

It doesn't matter that he exhibited awful traits as a human, we have all done that, he also exibited some of the best, and on top of that managed to convery them perfectly through many, many beautiful songs.

What an amazing person. He will never be forgotten.

JP11 · 11th December 2009, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by vincentvangogo

U67, a bit of tape delay, MCI board (I think) and poss a bit of EMT 140 reverb plate.

(Hearing him speak at the beginning, plus the song is a reminder of just how nakedly honest he was. Rock is like politics these days, no one seem to truly speak their minds anymore in case it harms their careers.)

I suppose you have to have a mind first...Kanye speaks his mind, for example, it's just filled with nonsense. Maybe it's best if today's pop stars stick to dancing and pretending to sing. The politicians, however, might want to step it up...or not...

dannygold · 11th December 2009, 03:02 AM

Did you guys notice the effect drops out after the bridge? Interesting. Is the record like that or just the version we're seeing here on Imagine?

JP11 · 11th December 2009, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ScumBum

How can I mimic tape delay with a Digital Delay ?

It's the same idea...only digital...maybe cutting the highs on the delay is probably the best you can hope for...

There are a few delay plugins that "emulate" tape delays...the roland one for example...there are free ones as well...

JP11 · 11th December 2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dannygold

Did you guys notice the effect drops out after the bridge? Interesting. Is the record like that or just the version we're seeing here on Imagine?

Just this version...couple bad notes, too!

FeatheredSerpent · 11th December 2009, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ScumBum

How can I mimic tape delay with a Digital Delay ?

long delay time, single repeat, degrade it?

vincentvangogo · 11th December 2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ScumBum

How can I mimic tape delay with a Digital Delay ?

Sorry I only use analogue. If you have access to a reel to reel its not too hard to set up.

jono_3 · 11th December 2009, 04:39 AM

i think there's an SoS article about this, or Whatever Gets You Through The Night

claend · 11th December 2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ScumBum

How can I mimic tape delay with a Digital Delay ?

Just play with a short delay time untill you find a pleasing musical resoult...

Mozart · 11th December 2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vincentvangogo

U67, a bit of tape delay, MCI board (I think) and poss a bit of EMT 140 reverb plate.

(Hearing him speak at the beginning, plus the song is a reminder of just how nakedly honest he was. Rock is like politics these days, no one seem to truly speak their minds anymore in case it harms their careers.)

It is definitely an old U87 (look at the opening on the back of the mic where you can see voltage)

Subversounds · 11th December 2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vincentvangogo

Rock is like politics these days, no one seem to truly speak their minds anymore in case it harms their careers.)

Wow, great phrase! Can i quote that?

Silvertone · 11th December 2009, 01:55 PM

the effect is called ADT, do a search... you can easily do it with a digital delay (look at the Digital Delay Handbook), however I think it sounded better with tape due to the print though...

dub3000 · 11th December 2009, 02:08 PM

KVR: vacuumsound ADT - Virtual Effect - adt vst.

and a delay set to time = 80ms to 130ms, 1-5% feedback, maybe 20% mix, with a wide bandpass filter on the feedback path. that'll get you in the ballpark. i threw together a plugin that's packaged with reaper called 'floaty' that does that sound pretty well.

Sean Sullivan · 11th December 2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mozart

It is definitely an old U87 (look at the opening on the back of the mic where you can see voltage)

It's a U67, U87's do not use that type of connector.

Cool song. Neat effect.

camus · 11th December 2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Silvertone

the effect is called ADT, do a search... you can easily do it with a digital delay (look at the Digital Delay Handbook), however I think it sounded better with tape due to the print though...

Nah, it's just good ol regular tape slap. 130-160ms depending on the gap between the heads. ADT would be a lot shorter, an almost "chorus-y" kinda effect.

vincentvangogo · 11th December 2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Subversounds

Wow, great phrase! Can i quote that?

Be my guest!

Mozart · 11th December 2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by upinflames

It's a U67, U87's do not use that type of connector.

Cool song. Neat effect.

Yes, it does, the old ones! I have one exactly like that.

Admiral James T. · 11th December 2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by upinflames

It's a U67, U87's do not use that type of connector.

Cool song. Neat effect.

They're not very common since a spider shockmount is more secure, but yet there is and was that type of connector for U87's.

Sean Sullivan · 11th December 2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral James T.

They're not very common since a spider shockmount is more secure, but yet there is and was that type of connector for U87's.

Huh, I had no idea. Thanks for the insight, I've only seen those connectors on the old Neumann tube microphones.

Adda Audio · 11th December 2009, 04:05 PM

Lovely mic technique

Adda Audio · 11th December 2009, 04:08 PM

Lennon was King of double tracking

SHIRK · 11th December 2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ScumBum

How can I mimic tape delay with a Digital Delay ?

Echoboy is a great plugin for emulating tape delay. I have a Roland RE-301 Space Echo that I've been using regularly. However, I've recently rediscovered my love of Echoboy for this exact purpose. I feel like the ability to manipulate the slight irregularity of the tape speed makes it great for getting a hint of warble mixed in there. I can get it to sound damn close to my RE301. Maybe my 301 isn't working 100% up to spec, but I like the fact that I can get a plugin (recallable) to sound close to it.

Not sure if that helps you out. If anybody ever asks me what my favorite delay plug is...echoboy gets the nod without hesitation.

Mark Kaufman · 11th December 2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Baddassounds

Lennon was King of double tracking

In his book, Emerick says Lennon was uncanny at it...but also that he hated bothering with it, and so he was delighted by ADT. Seems to me he then fell in love with good old-fashioned Elvis-style slap back in his solo years.

ScumBum · 11th December 2009, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dub3000

KVR: vacuumsound ADT - Virtual Effect - adt vst.

and a delay set to time = 80ms to 130ms, 1-5% feedback, maybe 20% mix, with a wide bandpass filter on the feedback path. that'll get you in the ballpark. i threw together a plugin that's packaged with reaper called 'floaty' that does that sound pretty well.

Thanks for all the info guys !!

Would these plugins work with Pro Tools LE ?

" VST 2.4 Plug-In for Windows, including 64-bit signal processing"

mojoduo · 11th December 2009, 05:40 PM

you can laugh all day. and this was on my voice. so it may not be the same for you but every time i threw up a tlm-103 i dont own it anymore. wasnt the effect i was going for. but it always sound like solo lennon to me in the room i was in. going through a great river. his stuff seems to have a dry slapback if thats not a total oxymoron. best way i can describe it

Storyville · 11th December 2009, 06:56 PM

I wouldn't use that description. There is definitely a subtle feedback loop, as you can hear third and fourth echoes.

bing81 · 11th December 2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Silvertone

the effect is called ADT, do a search... you can easily do it with a digital delay

I know, I keep reading/understanding that ... but my ears tell me much different. As does Geoff Emerick's book. They used to manually 'play' the ADT (for example).

Maybe someday someone will get there in the box.

B

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FeatheredSerpent Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,442	Of all the bands and musicians I was into growing up, he is the only one that I really actually idolised. It doesn't matter that he exhibited awful traits as a human, we have all done that, he also exibited some of the best, and on top of that managed to convery them perfectly through many, many beautiful songs. What an amazing person. He will never be forgotten. __________________ "No, I'm playing all the right notes, just not necessarily in the right order"

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Silvertone Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 1,725	the effect is called ADT, do a search... you can easily do it with a digital delay (look at the Digital Delay Handbook), however I think it sounded better with tape due to the print though... __________________ Larry DeVivo Silvertone Mastering, Inc. 518-581-8141 www.silvertonemastering.com

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dub3000 Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 419	KVR: vacuumsound ADT - Virtual Effect - adt vst. and a delay set to time = 80ms to 130ms, 1-5% feedback, maybe 20% mix, with a wide bandpass filter on the feedback path. that'll get you in the ballpark. i threw together a plugin that's packaged with reaper called 'floaty' that does that sound pretty well.

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mojoduo Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 322	you can laugh all day. and this was on my voice. so it may not be the same for you but every time i threw up a tlm-103 i dont own it anymore. wasnt the effect i was going for. but it always sound like solo lennon to me in the room i was in. going through a great river. his stuff seems to have a dry slapback if thats not a total oxymoron. best way i can describe it

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