Wunder

[Wunderkap]

Our Console has a 10 channel recording section plus a stereo master section as seen in the photo. 12 channel "slave" buckets can be added to make the number of channels meet your recording needs. So we can provide a 24 through 60 channel consoles that would be comprised of several of these buckets constructed as one desk. There are two internal 1" square steel brace bars for structural support. These brace bars run the continuous length of the size of the frame you choose. These consoles can also be provided with a stand if required.

Our designers, however, have come up with a far superior method of channel summing when compared to the classic method detailed below making it a much more suitable for today’s recording requirements especially when linked high quality with DAWs. Earlier consoles used a non-balanced bussing as none of the early Neve consoles used "true" balanced bussing which requires both in and out-of phase drivers from the channel. I am only bringing this up because ours has an older similar look.

They used voltage summing where audio was sent from the channel, summed in aluminum bus bars, and the mix which was down -40dBu was amplified back up to line level by a line amplifier. But, but the Achilles heal was the return path back to the channel sending amplifier... A low impedance return path is crucial because any resistance you introduce will directly result as noise.

Although they did the best possible for the technology of the day, the bus output noise on those early consoles was in the high -60's. With discrete Virtual Ground Balanced Current Summing we achieved a very quiet noise floor of -95 dBu with a max out of +28 dBu. Everything in the signal path starting at the transformer output of the PEQ1, including channel routing and panning, is fully balanced. This eliminates any noise common to the + or – signal lines. Also eliminating high frequency crosstalk problems (greater than –80 dBu at 16K) and External EMI noise. These features enable you to have a large number of input channels with virtually no noise.

They are powered by the same Black Box PSU that that powers the PEQ1 and PAFOUR series. Color choices are Wunder Audio light grey or RAF dark Grey both with Wunder Audio Machined Knobs. We will offer a full range of cool hardwoods for the end cheeks
http://www.wunderaudio.com/

[Wunderkap]

Oops sorry about the Texas size picture. Actual production units will be made of Powder coated steel chassis instead of aluminum for better shielding. Also the EQ modules will be on a steeper angle than the routing section instead on the same plane to create a cool "C" shape profile.

[djui5]

As much as I hate to rezise a beautiful picture that big...here is a smaller one that will make reading this thread a lot easier


Man that thing looks pretty...will it have pre/post fader or at least post eq direct outs?

[echorec]

Wow, that is beautiful!!!

I guess it will hold 1066, 1073 & 1084 modues as well?

Great work! thumbsup

[robmix]

That's hot . . . . . .

[quadwould]

Jules.. We really DO Need a Drooling Icon


i have to stop drooling today...

Beautiful sidecar. wouldnt mind driving that over a set of drums

[Charlie-O]

consider it bought.......when can we pre order?

[w2w]

Cmon , HOW MUCH???!!!!!!!! FINALLY someone has figured it out!!
Just throw us a bone,give us a ballbark figure.....

[Wunderkap]

I will make a feeble attempt to answer all your questions. First, it will hold 1073's, Wunders and 1073's are fully compatible with each other.
But in my post above you will see we are tapping into the balanced transformer output of the PEQ1 (or 1073) to fully utilize that transformer sound most of us love. A lot of the Neve frames did not use this and tapped into the unbalanced out. The Wunder PEQ1R does also have an unbalanced output so it can be fully compatible with old neve frames and Boutique racks but in our new console we use the balanced transformer output of the modules. Thus the entire path is truly balanced including the panning, utilizing two 10K 4 ganged pots plus some DPDT switches and one 4PDT switch for the pan on off.
There is a PFL solo as well. We are using relays for the mute and solo.
Yes, There are also balanced Direct outs on the rear panel. There are XRL's for the mic in, line in, direct out, as well as 1/4" instrument input jacks.
Furthermore in the production version we are doing away with the pushbuttons and incorporation C&K toggle switches for the routing section. The final price is still undergoing final costing. My goal is to make the whole 10-channel console equal to the price of the 10x PEQ1's alone.

[Wunderkap]

Gold jacket not included

[usamike]

Wow. A friend of mine has a neve sidecar, but only w/shelving EQ and not much of a master section. All I can say is how much?

-USA

[Jim vanBergen]

That brings out the slut in me, make it portable and it'll do double duty on the road and in the studio. I'll find the $24k! Make mine NOW!!!!! :>)
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Jim

[Wiggy Neve Slut]

Wow Mike...

I think your gona hit one outa the park with this one.

Just a few quick questions.

What sort of summing amps are you going to use in the 2buss mastger section?

Are there any options for routing or bussing? EG.... aux sends, busses? PRE-FL, AFL facility, solo.

Looks like a surefire winner!
Wiggy

[superburtm]

Oh my I see the future!

[jindrich]

wunder people:

may i suggest something?
this desk looks REALLY great. but again is missing what most of us would like to see in a top notch classic analog board (for way less than what an ICON cost), and make it the center of our studios.


could we have something more than a simple 10 channel to stereo board?
suggestions:

-6 auz sends, maybe in 3 dual knobs, with pre/post switch.
-inline would be great, again dual concentric knobs for pan and level, plus mute and solo switchs
-eight bus switches, desirable as well
-make it expandable to 24 or 32ch, for those who need them.
-option for VU per channel?


i'll talk later about the master section.

thx

[Ziggy!!]

ever thought about offering one without the 1073/PEQ1 modules? perhaps just a simple yet musical line drivers instead?

[robmix]

Originally Posted by jindrich

wunder people:

may i suggest something?
this desk looks REALLY great. but again is missing what most of us would like to see in a top notch classic analog board (for way less than what an ICON cost), and make it the center of our studios.

could we have something more than a simple 10 channel to stereo board?
suggestions:

-6 auz sends, maybe in 3 dual knobs, with pre/post switch.
-inline would be great, again dual concentric knobs for pan and level, plus mute and solo switchs
-eight bus switches, desirable as well
-make it expandable to 24 or 32ch, for those who need them.
-option for VU per channel?

i'll talk later about the master section.

thx

I think you're missing the point. All that stuff would be great, but it ain't gonna be $25,000. If that's what you need just get a Neve frame and fill it with Wunders - which Mike already sells. I think this is a brilliant concept - a great sidecar for recording.

[Wunderkap]

This board can be configured for as many channels that you need as the sections are made to attach together. Since it is thoroughly balanced you can have as many channels (please get 96 channels) as you want without getting any noise in the summing buss. This is the beauty of this design. There is a limit as to how far you can go while keeping it fully balanced. Once you add aux sends and many busses it becomes a different beast. You need to go out the unbalanced out (or what we call the fader output on the PEQ1 or 1073) on the modules and add fader buffers. When you add all the inline stuff and many auxes it may become more practical to get a old Neve frame. But if you look at my post above you will see that they are unbalanced and have noise issues plus the 8058/68/78 are all class A/B. We can, however, keep this balanced design and have an option to add two auxes as an up-charge as I am making a set of routing panels that will facilitate these switches. I am also partial to having 100mm long throw faders instead of a fader pot. Another cool feature that I like about this design is that the pan can be fully taken out of the circuit to have true left/center/right routing which I personally use a lot. If you need panning you can just switch it in, it is fully balanced on a 4 gang pot.

[Greg Heimbecker]

I think I need to go change my shorts now...






Way cool!

[Billster]

OMG ! thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

Oops, the following just came to my mind...

...And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory, for ever.
Amen.



Bill

[Snatchman]

Shoot!.....I 'll take 24 channels, just like it IS..!...

[Meriphew]

That thing looks like it kicks ass.

[Lindell]

Originally Posted by Wunderkap

.....My goal is to make the whole 10-channel console equal to the price of the 10x PEQ1's alone.

Are you saying the console WITH ten modules will run approx $25000? or just an empty frame?

[Wunderkap]

With the modules. That is the approx introductory price. We will offer just the frame but we are waiting on some final costing fugures before we announce the price.

[robmix]

Let us know when you're ready to take pre-orders and deposits. I'm there !!!!! Also, how are you going to handle short loading ? I've already got 2 PEQ's. No need to answer right away just thought I'd throw it out there.

[Lindell]

Originally Posted by Wunderkap

With the modules. That is the approx introductory price. We will offer just the frame but we are waiting on some final costing fugures before we announce the price.

WOW!! thats a pretty slammin deal!

Rob, lemme know if you buy the console and how the recordings turns out... =))

[TRW]

Looks a lot like this one eh?

Damn cool these sidecars!



-Tom

[robmix]

Originally Posted by Lindell

WOW!! thats a pretty slammin deal!

Rob, lemme know if you buy the console and how the recordings turns out... =))

"I will have it, oh yes, I will have it"

Mmmm, 32 channels of Daking and 10 channels of Wunder. Plus some extra Great River, Manley and Focusrite. My mic pre hunt is pretty much over. Doh, then there's all the cool API 500 format pre's. . . . . . . .

[Wunderkap]

Originally Posted by Wunderkap

Oops sorry about the Texas size picture. Actual production units will be made of Powder coated steel chassis instead of aluminum for better shielding. Also the EQ modules will be on a steeper angle than the routing section instead on the same plane to create a cool "C" shape profile.

It's similar only in appearance to the old Neve 8014. I quess I'm making it this way to match the existing dual 8014 in our Studio. But if you look at my original post yesterday, the chassie is steel for better sheilding and the EQ modules will be on a steeper rake or angle creating a c shape ala 8068. But the most important this is that the complete summing/bussing system is fully balanced. This is the point that I am going hve to stress because people will see it and think it will have the old unbalance summing which we have gotten away from.

I also mentioned yesterday that in the actual production units we are using only C&K toggle switches as the Isostat pushbuttons are iffy at best. So all the routing and master controlls are silver levers, except the Blue Wunder Knob for panning..