taming cymbal/HH from OH !!!

vudoo · 30th September 2005, 04:29 AM

What do you guys recommand for smoothing out some of the highs from HH coming from OH mics ?? I'm using Shoeps into my Daking for OH, i get an nice open tone and the overall kit sounds great, just that the HH is a bit piercing to my taste.
Anyway i like to smooth it out a tad without sacrifying the overall sound of the Kit ??? I thought of maybe trying a Ribon ( like Coles 4038 ) or something like a Fatso maybe Hedd ???

jbuntz · 30th September 2005, 04:31 AM

I've done Shoeps into a Daking with no problem before. Sounds like it's the HH, room or mic placement, especially since the shoeps aren't as hype-y as a lot of mics people use as overheads. Try de-essing the HH side.

4038's are definately darker.

cgarges · 30th September 2005, 04:36 AM

I've used the Dakings on overheads before and to me, they border on being a little bright for some situations. I imagine they'd be a great match for a pair of darker overheads like 4038s or M160s. I've mixed stuff recorded with KM184s through the Dakings that I just had to low pass.

Chris Garges
Charlotte, NC

vudoo · 30th September 2005, 04:43 AM

I don't have much experience with Ribon mics...when you guys say darker, do you refer mostly to the top end or the overall sound ??? I definitely still want a nice open sound as oppose to a boxy sounding kit. The trick for me is to smooth out the HH a tad as the rest of the kit sounds great.

Chris, what pre have you used for overhead that you dig ?? Thanks

warhead · 30th September 2005, 04:45 AM

Maybe a little too simple a question but, have you swapped out the hats for different sound? Sounds like they're not jiving with the kit and I doubt a preamp is going to fix this.

War

vudoo · 30th September 2005, 04:48 AM

Nah, tried 4 different pair of Hats...still a tad too brittle for my taste.

cgarges · 30th September 2005, 04:48 AM

Ribbon mics are generally rolled-off in the top end, some more than others.

What sort of mic positioning are you using?

Chris Garges
Charlotte, NC

theom · 30th September 2005, 04:50 AM

If you are talking about tracks already recorded.... it's too late.

But if you are still tracking.....

Tell the drummer to back off on the hats.
This is assuming you have tried re positioning mics. room placement of the kit. etc.

I am sure this is obvious to you but sometimes we get caught up in the gear and forget the people performing.

Is the drummer experienced in the studio? If he is, you can ask him/her to do dynamic adjustments like this and most probably respond well if you play him a take.

If the drummer is green, you may have to do some more explaining to about how the tracking will affect the mixing etc.

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30th September 2005, 04:29 AM	#1
vudoo Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 430	taming cymbal/HH from OH !!! What do you guys recommand for smoothing out some of the highs from HH coming from OH mics ?? I'm using Shoeps into my Daking for OH, i get an nice open tone and the overall kit sounds great, just that the HH is a bit piercing to my taste. Anyway i like to smooth it out a tad without sacrifying the overall sound of the Kit ??? I thought of maybe trying a Ribon ( like Coles 4038 ) or something like a Fatso maybe Hedd ???

30th September 2005, 04:45 AM	#5
warhead Jai guru deva om Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 7,724	Maybe a little too simple a question but, have you swapped out the hats for different sound? Sounds like they're not jiving with the kit and I doubt a preamp is going to fix this. War __________________ Warren Dent Email: warren (at) frontendaudio (dot) com Front End Audio Sells Gear Tuesday Testers: Hear the Gear Shootouts Product Videos on YouTube: Overviews of Gear

30th September 2005, 04:50 AM	#8
theom Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 428	drummer? If you are talking about tracks already recorded.... it's too late. But if you are still tracking..... Tell the drummer to back off on the hats. This is assuming you have tried re positioning mics. room placement of the kit. etc. I am sure this is obvious to you but sometimes we get caught up in the gear and forget the people performing. Is the drummer experienced in the studio? If he is, you can ask him/her to do dynamic adjustments like this and most probably respond well if you play him a take. If the drummer is green, you may have to do some more explaining to about how the tracking will affect the mixing etc.

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30th September 2005, 04:31 AM	#2
jbuntz Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,651	I've done Shoeps into a Daking with no problem before. Sounds like it's the HH, room or mic placement, especially since the shoeps aren't as hype-y as a lot of mics people use as overheads. Try de-essing the HH side. 4038's are definately darker.

30th September 2005, 04:36 AM	#3
cgarges Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 654	I've used the Dakings on overheads before and to me, they border on being a little bright for some situations. I imagine they'd be a great match for a pair of darker overheads like 4038s or M160s. I've mixed stuff recorded with KM184s through the Dakings that I just had to low pass. Chris Garges Charlotte, NC

30th September 2005, 04:43 AM	#4
vudoo Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 430	I don't have much experience with Ribon mics...when you guys say darker, do you refer mostly to the top end or the overall sound ??? I definitely still want a nice open sound as oppose to a boxy sounding kit. The trick for me is to smooth out the HH a tad as the rest of the kit sounds great. Chris, what pre have you used for overhead that you dig ?? Thanks

30th September 2005, 04:48 AM	#6
vudoo Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 430	Nah, tried 4 different pair of Hats...still a tad too brittle for my taste.