Toft ATB + Radar users?

PLAbass · 24th November 2009

Question for you guys! Finally staring down the barrel of this setup and I want to make sure I have everything planned correctly. Having never used either, my concern is most likely a no-brainer.

Routing with the ATB... it's an 8-buss system. Cool but there are only the 8 physical outputs on the submasters and the direct-outs on each channel. Let's say my vocal chain is all setup on channel 12 and he wants to do a double on track 19. Is there no way to accomplish this routing without re-cabling/patching? The direct-out of the channel is all set from channel 12 to track 12 on the radar. If I assign to one of the 8 submasters, that'll get me wherever they happen to be patched but that doesn't give me much flexibility as now I can get from channel 12 to track 12 or one of only 8 other tracks fed from the subs. I wanna get from any channel to any track; how does that work?

Basic, I know. There's gotta be a really clever solution that I'm missing!

Teserac · 24th November 2009

Plabass,

that would be an ATB 24 with 24 buses, I mean ATB 24/24/2 . Or ATB16/16/2 or whatever...ANd you and me own an ATB 24/8/2. It is a 8 buses routing desk and you can only rout to the 8 buses. The ATB is very flexible but you can not rout any channel through any channel. For that you'll need to patch with cables from one channel to another channel.

Sorry if it disappointing but that is the way the Toft works...

Anyway I'm wery happy with the Toft and its sound...

PLAbass · 24th November 2009

Thanks guys! Just making sure I wasn't missing something. I've got a patchbay all planned out -- was just hoping to devise a better routing scheme.

I think I might actually try to rig-up a switching system. A few three-position switches and some elegant way of multing the 8 submaster outputs... should be workable!

dave gross · 25th November 2009

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Originally Posted by PLAbass

Thanks guys! Just making sure I wasn't missing something. I've got a patchbay all planned out -- was just hoping to devise a better routing scheme.

I think I might actually try to rig-up a switching system. A few three-position switches and some elegant way of multing the 8 submaster outputs... should be workable!

I just finished planning the routing for my new setup. I have an ATB 24, and I'll get getting an SSL Alpha-Link in the next week. Just finished labeling 6 patchbays, took about a week of planning and revising to make sure that I had completely unlimited flexibility with routing. You could always mult the 8 sub master outputs by setting up 8 channels on your patchbay in parallel, and that way you'd be able to grab the signal from the top and bottom points of those channels on the front of the patchbay.

nine99nine · 25th November 2009

I usually leave channel 17 on my board for vocals and have its direct output going to a mult and then to inputs 17, 18, and 19 on my multi-track. This helps cut down on patching because I normally double or triple track vocals during a session and all I have to do is record enable the track I want to record on and the vocal shows up. This also helps keep the session going because I can keep the vocalist going without having to stop to repatch.

PLAbass · 25th November 2009

Good deal. I was thinking something similar with the patch bay setup. I'm working out the switching system now... seems like it'd be fairly easy to implement but it might have to wait till all of the pieces come together ;-). Having to stop and re-patch before a take here and there isn't the end of the world either.

Jim Williams · 25th November 2009

One channel to one track, use the direct outputs. Two channels to one track, use one of 8 groups.

Keep in mind the max output of the unbalanced direct outputs is +21 dbu. That will require you to set the Radar's sensitivity up a bit to avoid clipping. The +18db = 0db reference would work. Group and mix ouputs can do +27 dbu max into a 2k ohm load. Run it into 600 ohm transformer input gear and that will drop quite a bit and THD will rise since the 072 opamps don't drive 600 ohm loads.

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24th November 2009	#1
PLAbass Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Derwood, MD (DC area) Posts: 274 Thread Starter	Toft ATB + Radar users? Question for you guys! Finally staring down the barrel of this setup and I want to make sure I have everything planned correctly. Having never used either, my concern is most likely a no-brainer. Routing with the ATB... it's an 8-buss system. Cool but there are only the 8 physical outputs on the submasters and the direct-outs on each channel. Let's say my vocal chain is all setup on channel 12 and he wants to do a double on track 19. Is there no way to accomplish this routing without re-cabling/patching? The direct-out of the channel is all set from channel 12 to track 12 on the radar. If I assign to one of the 8 submasters, that'll get me wherever they happen to be patched but that doesn't give me much flexibility as now I can get from channel 12 to track 12 or one of only 8 other tracks fed from the subs. I wanna get from any channel to any track; how does that work? Basic, I know. There's gotta be a really clever solution that I'm missing! __________________ Nate Pauzenga Prodigy Engineering natepauzenga.com

24th November 2009	#2
Teserac Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Barcelona (Spain) Posts: 25	Routing ATB Plabass, that would be an ATB 24 with 24 buses, I mean ATB 24/24/2 . Or ATB16/16/2 or whatever...ANd you and me own an ATB 24/8/2. It is a 8 buses routing desk and you can only rout to the 8 buses. The ATB is very flexible but you can not rout any channel through any channel. For that you'll need to patch with cables from one channel to another channel. Sorry if it disappointing but that is the way the Toft works... Anyway I'm wery happy with the Toft and its sound...

25th November 2009	#5
nine99nine Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 247	I usually leave channel 17 on my board for vocals and have its direct output going to a mult and then to inputs 17, 18, and 19 on my multi-track. This helps cut down on patching because I normally double or triple track vocals during a session and all I have to do is record enable the track I want to record on and the vocal shows up. This also helps keep the session going because I can keep the vocalist going without having to stop to repatch. __________________ -"mr. junior mastering engineer!"

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Jim Williams Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: beautiful Carlsbad, CA Posts: 9,357	One channel to one track, use the direct outputs. Two channels to one track, use one of 8 groups. Keep in mind the max output of the unbalanced direct outputs is +21 dbu. That will require you to set the Radar's sensitivity up a bit to avoid clipping. The +18db = 0db reference would work. Group and mix ouputs can do +27 dbu max into a 2k ohm load. Run it into 600 ohm transformer input gear and that will drop quite a bit and THD will rise since the 072 opamps don't drive 600 ohm loads. Jim Williams Audio Upgrades