classic albums made with drugs - Page 9

Moerkop · 25th April 2011

Ah this is a pet interest of mine, drugs and music. Also please simply skip this post if you do not feel man is a spiritual being.

It really hit home when I read of Kenny Kirkland, my favorite modern pianist died of an overdose. Here was a guy with a brilliant career, successful, going from creative strength to strength surrounded with some of the most exciting musicians on the planet... And he was a very, very clever guy, yet to do drugs these days is stupid when many of his heroes died from it.
So what was missing that drugs replaced? What was needed that drugs supplied? Why does it seem so easy for us to lose our way in the pursuit of music especially?

The other aspect discussed is what the drugs actually do. Of course they open doors, of course they provide and facilitate experiences of the 'other', the spiritual, the creative - the big mystery no one can really define.

But there's a but. What are you really doing when you bind yourself to a substance/s that works by completely subverting the 'I', and making you a passenger of your own destiny or life experience? Though the freedom you experience is true in itself, the fruits of it cannot be brought into your daily life at all because the 'I', the will, was supplanted in order for the effect of the substance to be created. (PS, Not the 'I' described in asian philosophy as ego needing to be destroyed, but the 'I' as higher self, God-head etc) Debatable, sure, but it is the line of thinking that makes most sense to me.

Now when the light of day dawns, and it always does, the 'will' is nowhere and dormant. The only way out of addiction is to bow down at the alter of the substance and say 'you are master to me', and the only way you can survive is by choosing never to go into that 'church' again. Walk in, and you die, as many have. You have to acknowledge the drug is more powerful then you, finished. Crazy to take drugs, just does not add up.

The effect of drugs is also illusionary, because it binds the spiritual in man all the more to the physical (the substance itself), and brings you to less and less freedom. Until the freedom to live your life becomes the fruits of death's labour. Of course this is not to say fantastic music can not come from this enslaved state to dope, of course it can.
But music in the service of the emancipation of us as human beings? Nope, sorry, fail.

I would agree that naturally we are not so free and drugs offer that sense of completeness, the whole and of this wondrous universe of continuous creation. But through hard work on spiritual exercise like meditation and real quiet observation etc, there are seemingly small, but real steps made. Practicing music in all its guises is in itself a meditation. The gloss and shine is gone, it becomes a plodders game, but the men and woman who stick it through are people of real empathy and regard. The Dalai Lama, Ghandi and so on. All the great jazz musicains got great before they got drugs, as far as I have read! One classic album is Pat Metheny trio Question and Answer, an absolute genius record done in two days with Dave Holland (drug free) and Roy Haynes (previous drug user).

Drugs are indeed a doorway, but with consequences. Why not go further and say power corrupts (recreational) and absolute power corrupts completely (addiction).

Denny McNerney · 25th April 2011

caffeine?

PhilDW · 25th April 2011

I think it was Neil Young who said "it's not the drugs, it's the attitude that goes with them". That sounds more relevant than trying to track while wasted.

I'll add Tonight's the Night to the list, after all Tequila is a drug too

hughbob · 22nd September 2011

everything by bobmarley
almost everything by the beatles
everything by parliament/funkadelic
everything by led zeppelin
1970's david bowie stuff
everything red hot chili peppers before one hot minute
everything by guns and roses
most of the good stuff by pink floyd
lots of iggy pop stuff
hendrix, doors, acdc, sabbath, almost all modern dance music, hip hop

even the wiggles used to hire hookers for their recording sessions, just so they could snort big lines of coke off their naked breasts.

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25th April 2011	#241
Moerkop Gear interested Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 27	Ah this is a pet interest of mine, drugs and music. Also please simply skip this post if you do not feel man is a spiritual being. It really hit home when I read of Kenny Kirkland, my favorite modern pianist died of an overdose. Here was a guy with a brilliant career, successful, going from creative strength to strength surrounded with some of the most exciting musicians on the planet... And he was a very, very clever guy, yet to do drugs these days is stupid when many of his heroes died from it. So what was missing that drugs replaced? What was needed that drugs supplied? Why does it seem so easy for us to lose our way in the pursuit of music especially? The other aspect discussed is what the drugs actually do. Of course they open doors, of course they provide and facilitate experiences of the 'other', the spiritual, the creative - the big mystery no one can really define. But there's a but. What are you really doing when you bind yourself to a substance/s that works by completely subverting the 'I', and making you a passenger of your own destiny or life experience? Though the freedom you experience is true in itself, the fruits of it cannot be brought into your daily life at all because the 'I', the will, was supplanted in order for the effect of the substance to be created. (PS, Not the 'I' described in asian philosophy as ego needing to be destroyed, but the 'I' as higher self, God-head etc) Debatable, sure, but it is the line of thinking that makes most sense to me. Now when the light of day dawns, and it always does, the 'will' is nowhere and dormant. The only way out of addiction is to bow down at the alter of the substance and say 'you are master to me', and the only way you can survive is by choosing never to go into that 'church' again. Walk in, and you die, as many have. You have to acknowledge the drug is more powerful then you, finished. Crazy to take drugs, just does not add up. The effect of drugs is also illusionary, because it binds the spiritual in man all the more to the physical (the substance itself), and brings you to less and less freedom. Until the freedom to live your life becomes the fruits of death's labour. Of course this is not to say fantastic music can not come from this enslaved state to dope, of course it can. But music in the service of the emancipation of us as human beings? Nope, sorry, fail. I would agree that naturally we are not so free and drugs offer that sense of completeness, the whole and of this wondrous universe of continuous creation. But through hard work on spiritual exercise like meditation and real quiet observation etc, there are seemingly small, but real steps made. Practicing music in all its guises is in itself a meditation. The gloss and shine is gone, it becomes a plodders game, but the men and woman who stick it through are people of real empathy and regard. The Dalai Lama, Ghandi and so on. All the great jazz musicains got great before they got drugs, as far as I have read! One classic album is Pat Metheny trio Question and Answer, an absolute genius record done in two days with Dave Holland (drug free) and Roy Haynes (previous drug user). Drugs are indeed a doorway, but with consequences. Why not go further and say power corrupts (recreational) and absolute power corrupts completely (addiction).

25th April 2011	#242
Denny McNerney Gear addict Joined: Nov 2002 Location: NY Posts: 418	caffeine?

25th April 2011	#243
PhilDW Gear addict Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 398	I think it was Neil Young who said "it's not the drugs, it's the attitude that goes with them". That sounds more relevant than trying to track while wasted. I'll add Tonight's the Night to the list, after all Tequila is a drug too

22nd September 2011	#244
hughbob Gear Head Joined: Jul 2007 Location: australia Posts: 56	everything by bobmarley almost everything by the beatles everything by parliament/funkadelic everything by led zeppelin 1970's david bowie stuff everything red hot chili peppers before one hot minute everything by guns and roses most of the good stuff by pink floyd lots of iggy pop stuff hendrix, doors, acdc, sabbath, almost all modern dance music, hip hop even the wiggles used to hire hookers for their recording sessions, just so they could snort big lines of coke off their naked breasts.