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500 Series EQ's For Mixing Only - Suggestions

This is a specific mixing suggestion question. For a mixing project, I 'm considering renting a rack of 500 stuff ..why 500? because I'm considering building a rack full of it in the near future and I want to see if it is ideal for mixing as well as tracking...here's the idea...A hybrid situation of course...mostly ITB and heading out in groups (6 stereo groups i.e Drums, Bass, Guitars , vox, Backing Vox, Other) for each of these groups i want an eq and a comp before It heads back into the box...for this app, mojo is more important than precision (that I get ITB)...any 500 suggestions for this? I generally like limiting better in this situation and am not afraid of 2 mono comps/eq over one stereo group...I know that Pan and Round Badge are 500 "experts" ...yours and anyone else's opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.

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You know, that's a good suggestion in this application. Thanks.
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API 550AorB or 560, A Designs EM-PEQ, Avedis E27, The new Harrison EQ from Great River looks like a strong contender.....

Really any that you dig the sound of are good choices.
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API 550AorB or 560, A Designs EM-PEQ, Avedis E27, The new Harrison EQ from Great River looks like a strong contender.....

Really any that you dig the sound of are good choices.
Great advice...I haven't had the chance to audition much 500 though...I know the 550, the v14(wouldn't use that), EM-PEQ (sounds great just turned on)...mostly about vibe, but I do need a few more points than the EM-PEQ (although I would definitely include a couple of those)

...the E27 seems to come up a lot...thanks
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i'm on the same boat as you i say wait.... the great river harrison eq look's like a nice flavor but maybe thats just my palette
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It sounds like an awesome idea and one that I have thought about myself.

If it was me, I would add some kind of summing unit seeing as your already coming OTB with all those busses.

Something like the dangerous 2buss would be awesome to go through then come back into the box as a stereo file.

That's what I would do anyway.

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inward connections eqp2 not sure about mojo but im lovin the 2 i have jmo
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If you are looking for a cool vibe EQ... you might want to check out the Electrodyne 511's.
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It sounds like an awesome idea and one that I have thought about myself.

If it was me, I would add some kind of summing unit seeing as your already coming OTB with all those busses.

Something like the dangerous 2buss would be awesome to go through then come back into the box as a stereo file.

That's what I would do anyway.

Yes the Dangerous Box is a good one...I'm not sure hat's the way I'm headed here...I haven't decided, but Im leaning towards printing the groups back into the box as Real Time Stems (love this) and printing a stereo mix at the same time..that way I have the flexibility of 6 stereo stems which I can play with (at home if I want) and a finished mix (that may be great)...I'm not a big fan of full recalls...If I can't please the artist, record company, or myself with the rebalancing of 6 stereo stems, then I call that a redo...which is fine..but most of the time the mix should be good enough or a couple hours of stems work does the trick...also I'm kind of digging the sound of inserting analog gear into your digital mix....I'd rather work on a console or just use inserts....a summer doesn't appeal to me so much
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If you are looking for a cool vibe EQ... you might want to check out the Electrodyne 511's.
Thanks Tony, I'll look into that one.
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If you are looking for a cool vibe EQ... you might want to check out the Electrodyne 511's.
Yeah that is a really cool one. Pretty similar to my old Quad Eight EQs. Some guys might get put off by only two bands, fixed frequency points and no Q control but once you get used to what they can do you realize they have plenty of control and the big wide Q and really well chosen center frequencies is what helps them sound so darn good.
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This is a specific mixing suggestion question. For a mixing project, I 'm considering renting a rack of 500 stuff ..why 500? because I'm considering building a rack full of it in the near future and I want to see if it is ideal for mixing as well as tracking...here's the idea...A hybrid situation of course...mostly ITB and heading out in groups (6 stereo groups i.e Drums, Bass, Guitars , vox, Backing Vox, Other) for each of these groups i want an eq and a comp before It heads back into the box...for this app, mojo is more important than precision (that I get ITB)...any 500 suggestions for this? I generally like limiting better in this situation and am not afraid of 2 mono comps/eq over one stereo group...I know that Pan and Round Badge are 500 "experts" ...yours and anyone else's opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.

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good mixing stuff thats on the "vibey" side [based on units i've tried/own].
I'd start w/ a 10 spacer and maybe get pairs of:
Electrodyne 511's
A designs PEQ
API 550a's
API 560 graphics
Chandler Little devil eq's

get another 10 spacer and maybe pairs of these comps:
BAC 500
Little devils
Anamod 660's
API 525's[big meter= smoother knee=more useful for me at least]
JMK audio JM 115C's[kinda more hi-fi DBX 160's]

haven't heard them but I own the Mastering comp and love it:
Shadow Hills Vandergraph [VCA ]
" " Optograph [Opto]

good fun for parallel-: Levelor's

coming soon: the new Helios 500 comp
if they do what they're supposed to do[F700] they should be a great addition to the "vibe" rack
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Just a note. I found the API 550a definitely more warm and fuzzy than the 550B. 550B is cleaner and a bit more surgical though both have the API vibe for sure. I'd really love to hear the new GR Harrison EQ !
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good mixing stuff thats on the "vibey" side [based on units i've tried/own].
I'd start w/ a 10 spacer and maybe get pairs of:
Electrodyne 511's
A designs PEQ
API 550a's
API 560 graphics
Chandler Little devil eq's

get another 10 spacer and maybe pairs of these comps:
BAC 500
Little devils
Anamod 660's
API 525's[big meter= smoother knee=more useful for me at least]
JMK audio JM 115C's[kinda more hi-fi DBX 160's]

haven't heard them but I own the Mastering comp and love it:
Shadow Hills Vandergraph [VCA ]
" " Optograph [Opto]

good fun for parallel-: Levelor's

coming soon: the new Helios 500 comp
if they do what they're supposed to do[F700] they should be a great addition to the "vibe" rack
exactly what I was hoping you'd post...thanks Roundbadge and everyone else...great info....

now about the second ten spacer...I have a TG1 and a chandler channel..are the litle devils simililar to those ?....and the anamod 660..anything you wouldn't put through them?
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Just a note. I found the API 550a definitely more warm and fuzzy than the 550B. 550B is cleaner and a bit more surgical though both have the API vibe for sure. I'd really love to hear the new GR Harrison EQ !
maybe in this app the B would be better..a little more control (extra band)?
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.I have a TG1 and a chandler channel..are the litle devils simililar to those ?
maybe in the ball park but more of a Neve color.not really anything like it in a 500 series module.
good to have both

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....and the anamod 660..anything you wouldn't put through them?
maybe stuff where faster transients need to stay intact/cleaner.. its a rounder/slower/color thing.
that type of sound isn't appropriate for all sources..it is vibey though
other than that you can use em for anything.. nice on drums and Bass
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maybe in this app the B would be better..a little more control (extra band)?
I'd say so. If I'm putting some EQ on a vocal I would definitely go for the 550B but if I want to add some extra warm glue for a punchy guitar or kit piece I'd try the 550A.
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my must have EQ list for the 500 format.
the A-Design EM-PEQ, you'll want a couple of these!
the API 550 EQs, again a couple!
the Electrodyne 511, i love this and will be adding another soon i hope!

the JDK Audio V-14 good rock solid and affordable, cant o wrong here.
the Speck ASC-V, good surgical EQ, good rock solid and affordable, cant o wrong here.
if you want some of the British EQ sound check out the S&M Audio EQ.

some new stuff coming that has me excited one the new Great River Harrison EQ, and a couple i can't mention just yet.
but no comment until these have been run through their paces.
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If you are looking for a cool vibe EQ... you might want to check out the Electrodyne 511's.
Are those the ones made by Ken from Orphan Audio?
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Yeah that is a really cool one. Pretty similar to my old Quad Eight EQs. Some guys might get put off by only two bands, fixed frequency points and no Q control but once you get used to what they can do you realize they have plenty of control and the big wide Q and really well chosen center frequencies is what helps them sound so darn good.
How would you describe the Highs in this one? im very interested in buying one
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thanks everyone ...got some research to do...my next rental is going to be a pair of 660's and either a pair of e-27's or little devils...I'll let you know how they work out for me
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Are those the ones made by Ken from Orphan Audio?
Yep! Those are the ones!! They sound really good.
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How would you describe the Highs in this one? im very interested in buying one
Admittedly I have spent a lot more time with my quad eights than the new Electrodynes, but what I really dig on both of them is the 5k boost. 10k is really nice as well. Its really hard for me to describe but what I like about them is they seem to be able to boost in a way that is aggressive (in the best possible terms) without getting unpleasant.

When I demo'ed the electrodynes on a bunch of stuff, but it was doing a 5k boost on some metal guitars that put them on my gear wish list.
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For mix you need precision. you don't need color or fancy mojo eq's
GML, Sontec, Old focusrites etc.... Parametric. The API stuff I find useless
at mixdown. Not enough control and not clean enough.
Is there a serious 500 series eq? I've never seen one.
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I demoed a couple of these along with the VC5 comps and I ended up sending them back (kept the comps). I found that they were pretty transparent and I liked the Q control, but I wanted more color and having only two bands was a bit limiting for me. I always ended up having to insert another pair of EQ's in there to get what I wanted. Mojo wise I've really been loving my Little Devil EQ's. They don't seem to get talked about much or get much love around here, but they can really add some nice color and presence to tracks. I've been consistently loving them for tracking and mixing on electric/acoustic guitars and bass especially. They've worked for me on drums here and there as well. THere not for everything, but when they work with something, they really sweeten it up. The low and high shelf are a bit more transparent compared to the high-mid and low mid switches. When you turn those mofos on the sound change is instantly apparent by just engaging with no boosting or cutting. I'd say give them a try. - paul

p.s. - Edit: now that I read through the whole thread up to here, I'm glad to see some peeps recommending the LD EQ's. It's also cool to see the other recommendations. I'm looking forward to trying out some of these other units.
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Tried the inward eq's
didn't do a thing for me
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For mix you need precision. you don't need color or fancy mojo eq's
"You need" this "you don't need" that.
really?
yeah our Neve and API just suck for mixing
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GML, Sontec, Old focusrites etc.... Parametric. The API stuff I find useless
at mixdown. Not enough control and not clean enough.
good for you.
some folks actually like to mix it up a little.
clean precise w/ some colored stuff.wow.
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Is there a serious 500 series eq? I've never seen one.
No actually they're all just cheap little toy eq's for kids.
omg of course no one would ever use em on a real record!
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For mix you need precision. you don't need color or fancy mojo eq's.
The API stuff I find useless at mixdown. Not enough control and not clean enough.
wow, you need to get real!

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Is there a serious 500 series eq? I've never seen one.
then you have you head buried in the dirt or you are just not looking at anything!
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For mix you need precision. you don't need color or fancy mojo eq's
GML, Sontec, Old focusrites etc.... Parametric. The API stuff I find useless
at mixdown. Not enough control and not clean enough.
Is there a serious 500 series eq? I've never seen one.
Since your opinion is radically different than mine, almost all the mixers i know and the overwhelming majority of the biggest mixers in the world. It would be interesting to have you elaborate on your reasons for this and maybe even point us to some examples of your mixes to hear that kinds of sounds you go for.
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