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15th September 2005
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| Gear addict  Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: cincinnati, OH
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Thread Starter | which mic and pre for which drum Im gonna be recording some rock drums here in the next couple weeks. The room is pretty big horizontally but the ceilings are not. Im going for a fat and intimate vibe. Kinda like pink floyd the wall drums or early 80's funk. But a couple songs should have a more roomy sound so i definately want a room mic. Please dont suggest anthing thats not on my list. Im not looking for purchase recommendations. Im just trying to get someone elses opinion on which mic should go into which pre on which drum. I'll probably just record a bunch of different combinations and see what hapens. Obviously i only have 7 pres with good conversion so 2 items will have to be ran through my behringer ada8000. In your opinion which are the least 2 important instruments. This setup is my first instinct. kick- re20 or d112? - Neve 1272 - rme a/d FOK- AT4033 - neve 1272- rme a/d snare - sm57 or audix i5- SCA A12 (api wannabee) - rme hat - 57 or beyer m400 - behringer tom - 421 - symetrix - rme floor - 421 - symetrix - rme OH's - AT4047's - rnp - rme room - studio projects T3 (omni?cardioid?) - behringer The 4047's are the only PAIR of condensers i own hence the obvious choice for OH's.
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15th September 2005
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| If it were me,i'd probably go for the neve vibe on the snare ...switch W/ front of kick.. thats about it.  have fun. |
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15th September 2005
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Thread Starter | I thought about that too. I just hope i wouldnt sacrifice attack, seeing how the sca is most likely a bit faster than the neve. Like i said, i'll probably just record a few different passes to find the right combo. thanks for the reply |
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15th September 2005
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Some would say that the A12 is more than a wannabe......  | |
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19th September 2005
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| Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: cincinnati, OH
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Thread Starter | Didnt mean to disrespect the A12. I've never heard a real api anyway. I was just describing the vibe of the pre for anyone reading my post that wasnt familiar with sca. |
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19th September 2005
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| Moderator  Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boston,MA Providence,RI
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| Looks like good choices for what you have... Now go make some records! |
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19th September 2005
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| One with big hooves  Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth, NYC metro
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 | If I had that equipment for a basics session I'd go with something a little less standard... Kick - RE-20 or 421 (try both) FOK - AT4047 Snare - Audix Hats - Notta. Maybe an SM57 if someone puts a gun to my head. Rack - SM57 or 421 (try both) Floor - 4047 or D112 (try both) OH - 4033 in mono Room - SM57, T3 (never used one, why not try it?) or even both. Pick your pres and stick with 'em. Swapping mics will make a bigger difference, though if something really isn't sounding right swapping preamps around might help. I'd also stick the Behringer converters on the toms. Part of that dry 70's funk drum sound comes from tracking in small, diffuse, really dry rooms. A larger part comes from tuning the kit so it makes that sound before you touch a microphone. Ask around about head & tuning choices and don't forget to put a wallet on the snare drum! Duct tape is evil stuff for damping tubs, use real gaffers tape or better yet, get some Moongels from a drum shop.
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19th September 2005
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Thread Starter | now we're talkin' |
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19th September 2005
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| Use your 4047's for overheads like you originally thought. I don't think the majority of people are into mono for overheads these days, and the 4047 is a much smoother microphone all around than the 4033. Overheads are extremely important, it's the worst place to skimp IMO. Good Luck.
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19th September 2005
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| One with big hooves Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth, NYC metro
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| Nathan, you know I love 'ya but I can't agree with you. Yup, the overheads are one of the last places you want to skimp...that much is true. But the guy said he was looking for a 70's/80's funk vibe and most of that stuff has mono drums. Dig out your old Sly & Familys Stoned records, The Meters, Average White Band etc. and take a good listen. The drums are either mono, semi-stereo (10 & 2) or even panned all the way to one side. That's why I suggested the mono overhead. If he wants the vibe of those records, then you gotta do the same kinds of things and stereo overheads isn't it. With a mono overhead in the right place you'll capture everything that needs to be there. Well, that's assuming the drum kit is a reasonable size, it wouldn't work for a Neil Pert or Bozzio size rig but for the average 4-5 piece kit it'll work fine. Yeah, the 4047 is a bit smoother but I'd rather have that out front to get the body of the toms and low end push & fullness from the kick. Plus, it wouldn't hurt to have a little extra top end sizzle since it is the overhead...that's why I'd start with the 4033 up top. There is a bit of method to the madness.  |
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19th September 2005
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That's true, but he also mentioned Pink Floyd...which is a pretty big/wide sound with a blend of 'stereo' ambient and close micing. Either way though, as there are no rules. thumbsup | |
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19th September 2005
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| Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: cincinnati, OH
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Thread Starter | i'm definately gonna go stereo OH's. I think im pretty set in stone on using 4047's for OH's. But i do see where jay is coming from. Maybe i should of said something like a modern more hi-fi take on the late 70's early 80's tubby drum sound. becks "sea change" is a good example of the sound im going for except the tunes im recording are a bit more up tempo space rock/funk. |
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20th September 2005
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| One with big hooves Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth, NYC metro
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I dunno...I'd still put the 4047 out front...the 4033 won't get the beef of the kick. You could also try mis-matched overheads, use a 4033 on the ride side and the 4047 over the hat side. | |
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21st September 2005
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| Gear nut  Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Capelle aan den IJssel, Netherlands
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 And he was talking 80ties in stead of 70ties the use damping rings (dunno ebglish word 4 that) on the snare and toms in 70...80 short and kind of dry Remco | |
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21st September 2005
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| member no 666  Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, NC
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| If it were me, I'd probably ditch the RME converters I know you said you weren't looking for purchase recommendations [my apologies for subverting that request]... but of all the weak spots in the setup, that seems to be the weakest link... and something you might want to address [or not]. As for which mic on which drum... play around if you have time and find the right sound. I once tried a D-112 on a snare drum... didn't suck. Best of luck with it all.
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22nd September 2005
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| One with big hooves Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth, NYC metro
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22nd September 2005
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Thread Starter | the d-112 was also used in the nine inch nails video closer. I think i recall trent licking it at one point. |
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23rd September 2005
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 Actually, I would say that the Behringer converters are the weakest link.... Also, we don't know which RME converters he has... but, generally speaking RME makes quite capable converters.  | |
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23rd September 2005
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Thread Starter | I have the RME adi-8 pro 8 channel stand alone converters (hell, they have the word "pro" in the title. Doesnt that mean something?) which is going adat into an RME 9636. The behringer is clocked off of the adi-8. Im sure there is ass loads of better stuff out there but i just don't have the cash for any gear upgrades right now. It costs $50 a day to put my kid in day care plus im still paying on hostpital bills from when i had my appendix taken out. On the other hand. I have heard some great sounding records done with the same RME box that i have. I just finished a record myself with the RME's that im completely happy with for the most part. And any part that im not completely happy with is definately not the RME's fault. |
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24th September 2005
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