Soft Limit on Apogee Rosetta

[bass man]

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[Ciozzi]

Originally Posted by bass man

One more "Soft Limit" thread ...

I tried it again last couple of days and to be honest i liked it .
Pushing it for 2-3 db sounds good , like a soft compression ,Hi End kind of compression/limiting .
What i did actually was calibrating my Studer`s repro amps 3 db hotter direct into Apogge Rosetta 800 with soft limit on , and mix sounded bigger and better in comparison to the same file with 3 db GR from L2 or Sonnox limiter ....

Tell me something

It's a hardware soft limiter. It does a different thing than the L2 and it can be good at mixing if you wanna drive the converters. I also compared it with a Pendulum PL2 and I must say it held its own. It's definitely a good extra feature.

[voidtunes]

I like the soft limit on the rosseta.
Was working in a large comercial studio here in Aus and it was actually the assitant engineer who showed me what it could do! And we had no shortage of good limters in the rack.

If it sounds good to you then do it. After we bounced some rock songs thru it the wave looked more like a block, but it sounded good.

[Jules]

IMHO

It's not tape saturation
so don't convince yourself it is
it is a fixed paramiter limiter built into the box and do you need it / want it's sound on everything you record?

IMHO Use sparingly on a special, per case basis.

[bass man]

Originally Posted by Jules

IMHO

It's not tape saturation
so don't convince yourself it is
it is a fixed paramiter limiter built into the box and do you need it / want it's sound on everything you record?

IMHO Use sparingly on a special, per case basis.

Hey Jules

I am not saying its a tape saturation it doesnt sound like any saturation at all , and i also have Studer A80 in front of it but its very soft sounding limiter in my opinion and is useful for adding 2-3 dbs of volume to the final mix . I never track the band with it cos i dont track that hot i am peaking at -6 or -5 dbfs .
I tried it when i got the rosetta 1-2 years ago and sad naaaa . But then tried it every now and then last couple of months to hear the results and actually now i have a feeling that the apogee is delivering high end comp / limiter together with converters . Nice ....

[Ciozzi]

Originally Posted by bass man

Hey Jules

I am not saying its a tape saturation it doesnt sound like any saturation at all , and i also have Studer A80 in front of it but its very soft sounding limiter in my opinion and is useful for adding 2-3 dbs of volume to the final mix . I never track the band with it cos i dont track that hot i am peaking at -6 or -5 dbfs .
I tried it when i got the rosetta 1-2 years ago and sad naaaa . But then tried it every now and then last couple of months to hear the results and actually now i have a feeling that the apogee is delivering high end comp / limiter together with converters . Nice ....

"Soft limit" is meant to be a protection against clipping at tracking, if you do your gain staging properly, there's almost no reason to engage it. It does sound "trasparent" for a few dB but it starts having its own sound as soon as you push it a bit. If you learn how the things works you can drive it much more than you think (7-8 dB) and again, if done properly, it sounds good.

[nukmusic]

Originally Posted by bass man

. . . .

I tried it again last couple of days and to be honest i liked it .
. .. .

....then nothing else matters. Enjoy what you like.

FWIW, I don't use the soft limit. No particular reason, I just don't.

[bass man]

Originally Posted by Ciozzi

"Soft limit" is meant to be a protection against clipping at tracking, if you do your gain staging properly, there's almost no reason to engage it. It does sound "trasparent" for a few dB but it starts having its own sound as soon as you push it a bit. If you learn how the things works you can drive it much more than you think (7-8 dB) and again, if done properly, it sounds good.

I dont use it for tracking ,i never peak louder then -5 or -6 dbfs when i track so ne need for limiter . I tried the Soft limiter for mix down ( DAW - Tape Deck - DAW ) with 2 -3 db gain boost over 0 dbfs .
It depends on the material but pushing the soft Limiter more then 3 or 4 dbs is slamming the track and makes the mix sound broken kind of .
How do you push it for 7 - 8 db , with one more comp in front of it or what ?

[Ciozzi]

Originally Posted by bass man

I dont use it for tracking ,i never peak louder then -5 or -6 dbfs when i track so ne need for limiter . I tried the Soft limiter for mix down ( DAW - Tape Deck - DAW ) with 2 -3 db gain boost over 0 dbfs .
It depends on the material but pushing the soft Limiter more then 3 or 4 dbs is slamming the track and makes the mix sound broken kind of .
How do you push it for 7 - 8 db , with one more comp in front of it or what ?

You have to mix with the soft limiter on since the beginning. You'll notice that the only two things that trigger the limiter are kick and snare (and toms occasionally) which are the same things that sound broken when you push it too much.

I usually bring up those two faders at first and see how they "clip". If they crap out too early some extra compression and a few dB of Attack with a Transient Designer can help. After that I'll add the overs/room mics.

You'll notice that the other elements of the mix are not affected by the limiter once the drums are in place.

[Tom H]

Never really use the soft limit on my rosetta, but I want to experiment with it.

So what's the idea? Just clip the converter inputs with soft limit engaged untill it sounds bad? And when over lights come on, is this bad or is it treshold..

Thanks

ps i know i should prolly just RTFM

[Ciozzi]

Originally Posted by Tommylicious

Never really use the soft limit on my rosetta, but I want to experiment with it.

So what's the idea? Just clip the converter inputs with soft limit engaged untill it sounds bad? And when over lights come on, is this bad or is it treshold..

Thanks

ps i know i should prolly just RTFM

**** the over lights LOL

[Jules]

Sorry missed the usage mentioned in the starting thread. Mixing.

[nukmusic]

Originally Posted by Jules

Sorry missed the usage mentioned in the starting thread. Mixing.

same here...

I'll have to check it out when I have time. I know lots of folks that re-record the stereo mix back into Protools anyway. Might try the soft-limit clipping as a way to boost the overall level a few db. Trial and error playtime

[bass man]

Originally Posted by Ciozzi

You have to mix with the soft limiter on since the beginning. You'll notice that the only two things that trigger the limiter are kick and snare (and toms occasionally) which are the same things that sound broken when you push it too much.

I usually bring up those two faders at first and see how they "clip". If they crap out too early some extra compression and a few dB of Attack with a Transient Designer can help. After that I'll add the overs/room mics.

You'll notice that the other elements of the mix are not affected by the limiter once the drums are in place.

Actually my problem was alto sax in jazz band more than toms snare and Bd .....

[Ciozzi]

Originally Posted by bass man

Actually my problem was alto sax in jazz band more than toms snare and Bd .....

then you should use a compressor limiter on the instument rather than a peak limiter on the mix buss.

[Tom H]

Originally Posted by Ciozzi

**** the over lights LOL

errr.. you mean, **** as in ****?

[Ciozzi]

Originally Posted by Tommylicious

errr.. you mean, **** as in ****?

****in hell yes!

[bass man]

what the **** are u talking about

[hazelmossobrien]

Originally Posted by bass man

what the **** are u talking about

****** you guys and **** you ****** on ***** with **** 15 **** in ***** *** *** soft limit, and stuff.

[bass man]

Originally Posted by hazelmossobrien

****** you guys and **** you ****** on ***** with **** 15 **** in ***** *** *** soft limit, and stuff.

Well , **** you very much

[Ciozzi]

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[bass man]

OK guys time to get serious

[nukmusic]

I tried it out on a mix...sounds ok. May have to do more testing.

[trashman]

soft limit sounds fine. just use it when it's useful

[bass man]

Well i like it more and more every day ....

[nukmusic]

it might just be the sound of the extra D-A/A-D conversion.

[RonT]

You guys are truely touched! Never tinkered with it but on my way into the room to give a go!

[bass man]

I was driving it today with porticos fat,clean,thank you rupert for that knob, gain and like it even more .
Apogees Soft limiter is a nice feature really.

[bass man]

Originally Posted by Peacock

I did not care for the limiter on the Rosetta 200 I had. I actually did not really like the Rosetta for mix.

I sold it and now use a Mytek for mix. I do like the Rosetta sound in tracking. The limiter is not really that useable IMO.

Can you describe the difference between mytek and rosetta?