Radial Workhorse 5000

[Coyoteous]

Originally Posted by pan60

i was just pointing out, it will not effect the price off existing products. and for a large number of reasons.

Oh, I think the introduction of lower priced modules could "affect" the price of existing modules, and that the "effect" might be lower prices for some of the latter.

[bexarametric]

Originally Posted by Coyoteous

Oh, I think the introduction of lower priced modules could "affect" the price of existing modules, and that the "effect" might be lower prices for some of the latter.

That was my initial thought.

I love my modules. They were all over $700. BUT if someone made something that were equally as great for $400, I would have never bought the $700 module. Wouldn't that affect these companies that make the more expensive modules? Like, if less people are buying it because company X has a product of equal value for less, wouldn't that force them to lower their prices or fold their tent?

I'm not buying this shit because it looks cool. It's a tool that does a job. If the tool does the same job but costs less, sign me up. This is all subjective of course.

[pan60]

Originally Posted by Coyoteous

Oh, I think the introduction of lower priced modules could "affect" the price of existing modules, and that the "effect" might be lower prices for some of the latter.

i don't think it will.
like i say, it has not effected the 19'' format, and it will not effect the 500 format.

[Coyoteous]

Originally Posted by pan60

i don't think it will.
like i say, it has not effected the 19'' format, and it will not effect the 500 format.

Well, we will see.

BTW, the main purpose of my post was to demonstrate the proper usage of "effect" and "affect."

[dbjp]

Originally Posted by Coyoteous

Well, we will see.

BTW, the main purpose of my post was to demonstrate the proper usage of "effect" and "affect."

Pan's dyslexic dude.

[pan60]

Originally Posted by Coyoteous

Well, we will see.

BTW, the main purpose of my post was to demonstrate the proper usage of "effect" and "affect."

LOL

Originally Posted by dbjp

Pan's dyslexic dude.

i really am, but i try: )~

[EleKtriKaz]

Originally Posted by EleKtriKaz

Anybody know what the "Aux Out" is on this thing? I haven't seen that explained anywhere. Looking at the front and back panels of the unit doesn't provide any other clue. Just an Aux level control on the front and L and R Aux outs on the back.

Is it a duplicate of the main stereo out? For monitoring? Is it a separate pair of outs that can be fed in another way?

I'm guessing it's just a duplicate of the main stereo out feed, but I just haven't seen anything mentioned about it. Read this whole thread a couple times to make sure I didn't miss it.

Anyone? Radial?

On another note, seriously please release this thing soon. My 6 slot Averill is full. I've been holding off on upgrading for the Workhorse to come out. If it's not April, I'm just going to go ahead and trade up to an Averill 11 space.

[cheu78]

What it's really a bit annoying is that there are more info on the vk website than radial... There's not even a section dedicated to the workhorse yet...beside that small "newspaper" PDF speaking about it..
Or am I very dumb and can't see it?

Bests,
Cheu

[bexarametric]

Peter Janis said it won't be on their website until it's ready. Once they get the voicing on the preamp and the meters on the Komit finished they will start shipping. This appears to be very soon.

[Duardo]

I just wonder if these newer modules (like the Chameleon Labs 7681, Radial Power Pre and Radial Komit) sound as good as much more expensive modules, how it will affect the consumers approach to buying 500 series modules. Will they opt to go cheaper if the results can be the same?

It's not so much a question of sounding "as good as" something as sounding the same as something. There are so many rackmount preamps on the market over such a wide range of prices because they all sound different...there's no single preamp that's universally considered to be the "best" (although there certainly are favorites). I don't see why this would be any different for 500-series modules. More options at lower prices will certainly make it possible for more people to buy them, and I'm sure that there will be some who will opt for a less expensive model who may have otherwise purchased a more expensive model, but I don't imagine that the availability of these modules will take away from the sales of other modules any more Chameleon Lab's existing preamps have taken away from the sales of existing rackmount preamps. If someone's looking for the sound of an API they're going to buy an API...same goes for a P1, or a Grace, or whatever.

I love my modules. They were all over $700. BUT if someone made something that were equally as great for $400, I would have never bought the $700 module. Wouldn't that affect these companies that make the more expensive modules? Like, if less people are buying it because company X has a product of equal value for less, wouldn't that force them to lower their prices or fold their tent?

I'm not sure that there is such thing as "equal value". Again, it hasn't happened with rackmount gear, so why would it be different for 500-format modules? Even when it comes to preamps based on the same designs...you've got Chameleon Labs, Vintech, Averill and others doing their takes on the Neve stuff (along with Neve themselves) and there seems to be room for everyone....and as far as I'm aware Chameleon hasn't forced Vintech to lower their prices, and those two companies haven't forced Averill to lower their prices, and those three companies haven't forced Neve to lower their prices, and so on...so why would these new preamps force other companies to lower their prices, especially since they're not even designed to sound like existing modules?

[Coyoteous]

Originally Posted by dbjp

Pan's dyslexic dude.

Huh... I thought he was American.

[bexarametric]

Originally Posted by Duardo

It's not so much a question of sounding "as good as" something as sounding the same as something. There are so many rackmount preamps on the market over such a wide range of prices because they all sound different...there's no single preamp that's universally considered to be the "best" (although there certainly are favorites). I don't see why this would be any different for 500-series modules. More options at lower prices will certainly make it possible for more people to buy them, and I'm sure that there will be some who will opt for a less expensive model who may have otherwise purchased a more expensive model, but I don't imagine that the availability of these modules will take away from the sales of other modules any more Chameleon Lab's existing preamps have taken away from the sales of existing rackmount preamps. If someone's looking for the sound of an API they're going to buy an API...same goes for a P1, or a Grace, or whatever.


I'm not sure that there is such thing as "equal value". Again, it hasn't happened with rackmount gear, so why would it be different for 500-format modules? Even when it comes to preamps based on the same designs...you've got Chameleon Labs, Vintech, Averill and others doing their takes on the Neve stuff (along with Neve themselves) and there seems to be room for everyone....and as far as I'm aware Chameleon hasn't forced Vintech to lower their prices, and those two companies haven't forced Averill to lower their prices, and those three companies haven't forced Neve to lower their prices, and so on...so why would these new preamps force other companies to lower their prices, especially since they're not even designed to sound like existing modules?

Good point

[Tom H]

Originally Posted by EleKtriKaz

Anybody know what the "Aux Out" is on this thing?
..
I'm guessing it's just a duplicate of the main stereo out feed.

That's the only thing I can think of, for monitoring and stuff.

[bexarametric]

My credit card is getting lonely.

[drew]

My dealer just emailed me. He said Radial is saying 4-6 weeks and that street pricing will be finalized in about 2.

[tapehiss]

Originally Posted by drew

My dealer just emailed me. He said Radial is saying 4-6 weeks and that street pricing will be finalized in about 2.

hmmm, 4-6 weeks... i remember them saying that 4-6 months ago...

[ProducerBoy]

Originally Posted by bexarametric

My credit card is getting lonely.

Well...you just send it on over here and I'll put it to work! It won't have time to be lonely!

[Kno1]

So with no modules inserted, you could still use it as a functional summing mixer?

[drew]

Originally Posted by Kno1

So with no modules inserted, you could still use it as a functional summing mixer?

yes.

[rrraaalllfff]

Originally Posted by Kno1

So with no modules inserted, you could still use it as a functional summing mixer?

yes, an 8 channel mixer

[vandi]

April bump. Why isn't this shipping yet?

[drew]

Originally Posted by vandi

April bump. Why isn't this shipping yet?

I think it's because of the modules. They want to launch the Workhorse with as many modules as possible so people will be inclined to buy a workhorse and fill it with their modules not others.

[bexarametric]

It's quiet in this thread

[drew]

Email from Radial.

30 days more minimum.

[rrraaalllfff]

I own two wonderful Buzz Essence compressors that I use in stereo all the time. In order to link them in my 6B lunchbox, i had to solder a jumper wire from the "link pad" 3 to 5 (since they're double wide and occupy slots 3-6 in the lunchbox) Does the "Link" switch in the back of the Workhorse link pin 6 of each consecutive slot? How would I go about linking two essence comps in the workhorse (double spaced modules)?

[bobx]

I just reserved my rack today from mercenary! hope it starts shipping soon! i can't wait to get it

[rrraaalllfff]

Some sites have this for $1500 and some for $1000. That's a big difference.

[MicJunkie]

On the wish list!
so beautiful!

[TAVD]

Originally Posted by rrraaalllfff

I own two wonderful Buzz Essence compressors that I use in stereo all the time. In order to link them in my 6B lunchbox, i had to solder a jumper wire from the "link pad" 3 to 5 (since they're double wide and occupy slots 3-6 in the lunchbox) Does the "Link" switch in the back of the Workhorse link pin 6 of each consecutive slot? How would I go about linking two essence comps in the workhorse (double spaced modules)?

Link the first 3 slots. (3 to 4, 4 to 5 in your case)

[bobx]

Originally Posted by EleKtriKaz

Anybody know what the "Aux Out" is on this thing? I haven't seen that explained anywhere. Looking at the front and back panels of the unit doesn't provide any other clue. Just an Aux level control on the front and L and R Aux outs on the back.

Is it a duplicate of the main stereo out? For monitoring? Is it a separate pair of outs that can be fed in another way?

I'm guessing it's just a duplicate of the main stereo out feed, but I just haven't seen anything mentioned about it. Read this whole thread a couple times to make sure I didn't miss it.

anyone word on the AUX outs? it sounds like it is just a duplicate set of stereo outs...