Melodyne DNA 2 weeks away!

[Demonslave]

I've been checking up on this a lot.... If you are signed up on melodynes site you will recieve an email in two weeks inviting you to try DNA. They said they are beginning "public beta testing" not really sure what thAT means though..... Just and FYI for those that are interested.

[lerone]

I know its going to be a great tool, but I have a feeling theres going to be some major abuse on the way :(

[PTB]

Can you elaborate more on "abuse"?

I have a lot of ideas on how I would want to use the software so I'm curious to hear what your thoughts are.

[psycho_monkey]

I think there's going to be a lot of disappointed people....you ain't gonna be able to change that old funk record from major to minor to fit your hiphop track for example.

[bexarametric]

I'll believe it when I see and and hear it without any artifacts.

[soupking]

"Be not the first by whom the new are try’d,
Nor yet the last to lay the old aside."

[Alexander Pope An Essay on Criticism (1709-11) ll.318-36.]


Yes, yes, essays on criticism, THAT is why you are here on Gearslutz, yes.

Oh my God, I'm about to hit 3000 posts, I said a while back that I may have something smart to say by then. Looks like a JUST MADE IT!!!!

[George Necola]

while I appreciate new products and have no fear about DNA, I can hear the "fantastic sound coming from the midikeyboard"..

[macleodgrant]

melodyne as it is has loadfs of artifacts so i'm keen to hear if this new version will at least improve the quality of monophonic material
if that is the case it will be worth it already
since you can now copy and paste, that's another huge plus
it should also be able to re pitch and timestretch polyphonic material so that's another plus

the editing of polyphonic material is more like icing for me though i expect it to have loads of artifacts

[author]

Originally Posted by Demonslave

Melodyne DNA 2 weeks away!

No no -- it is ONE DAY away!

At least according to the site you're referring to (which was uploaded on Sep. 2).

However, it has already been delayed numerous times. But maybe this time...

[AudioWonderland]

Originally Posted by Demonslave

I've been checking up on this a lot.... If you are signed up on melodynes site you will recieve an email in two weeks inviting you to try DNA. They said they are beginning "public beta testing" not really sure what thAT means though..... Just and FYI for those that are interested.

You need to read their forum... They have been throwing out dates and missing them for 18 months now.

[lerone]

Originally Posted by PTB

Can you elaborate more on "abuse"?

I have a lot of ideas on how I would want to use the software so I'm curious to hear what your thoughts are.

Well, just really OTT autotune all over the place in pop / rnb / hip-hop etc. It probably gonna find its way on to some unsuspecting instruments and will most likely, sound quite suspect. I might be wrong, but I don't think so somehow. If using it to correct probems, I think its going to be a great tool... as long as the artifacts are kept to a minimum that is.

[PDC]

Originally Posted by bexarametric

I'll believe it when I see and and hear it without any artifacts.

Well that isn't going to happen, because of how it does what it does. There will always be some phasing effects. Melodyne is VERY obvious now.

[Jules]

Wow its taken a while..

I suppose they want to get it right.

[diapause]

From the Q&A page:

Q: When will Direct Note Access be available?
A: Direct Note Access will be available for the first time in Melodyne editor (formerly called Melodyne plugin 2), where the emphasis will be upon the correction of polyphonic signals. Melodyne editor is due for release in 2009. The full version will cost 349 Euro/399 US$. The update from Melodyne plugin 1 will cost 129 €/129 US$. Customers purchasing Melodyne plugin after the 12th March 2008 will receive the update free of charge.
Naturally Direct Note Access will also be available in the large multi-track version of Melodyne i.e. Melodyne studio, where the musical possibilities will be far-reaching. However no concrete release date has yet been set.




celemony_ :: Direct Note Access :: Q & A

[Demonslave]

All tuning programs produce artifacts...... Correct?

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by Demonslave

All tuning programs produce artifacts...... Correct?

all singers today produce artifacts

[sscannon]

Originally Posted by PDC

Melodyne is VERY obvious now.

I use Melodyne Plugin right now pretty regularly, and it is not obvious at all when correcting a few lines in a song. I can certainly make it sound obvious, but with care and hand tuning by ear, it is undetectable (except for the correction of pitch).

[PTB]

Here is a convo I had with Ulf Kaiser of Melodyne earlier this month.


Hi

When can I expect the DNA technology to hit the market?

Thank you.

> On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:21 AM, "Celemony info / Ulf Kaiser" <info@celemony.com> > wrote:
>
>> Hello Vincent,
>>
>> the public beta release of Melodyne editor is about to be released >> in approx. two weeks. We hope, we have done our homework that the >> release with follow as soon as possible. Sorry, not to be more >> precise. But the public beta will bring some bugs to the light - >> that's what it is for, isn't it?
>>
>> Greetings, Ulf Kaiser

Sounds good as I been waiting for this technology since I found out about it several months ago. My main purpose for the software will be to import simple and complex audio to analyze, re-arrange and convert to midi. Then I would like to import the midi into my sequencer; Live. If this works as expected then I see that feature As extremely powerful and innovative.

I'm sure once I start using it I will realize additional functionality applicable to my needs as well.

Thanks for the timely response. Have a nice day.

Hi Vincent,

we won't be able to "dechiffre" complex mixes, just polyphonic instruments.

Hope that is already fine? But we'll have MIDI Export in it.

Greetings, Ulf

[Demonslave]

Dechiffré (French or Italian) "decipher" complex mixes.... Right I'm sure it'd be messy as hell..... I'm sure it would work somewhat though...... Maybe the spinning wheel of death if you try to anylize a L or R of a full mix..... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[AudioWonderland]

The never claimed it could breakdown entire mixes and fix things. A LOT of people got this idea in their head along the line. The backlash from these folks crying foul will likely be high. They do claim it can go into a guitar or piano track and fix a bum note in a chord of that instrument.

[author]

News Celemony Melodyne Editor Beta Testing - Audiofanzine

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by sscannon

I use Melodyne Plugin right now pretty regularly, and it is not obvious at all when correcting a few lines in a song. I can certainly make it sound obvious, but with care and hand tuning by ear, it is undetectable (except for the correction of pitch).

Listen to the top end. Melodyne dulls it considerably - even when not actually correcting anything. That's what I can't stand.

[oded]

Almost here...

[salomonander]

i really dont care for the DNA thing....as longas their stnadard alogarithm is improved. did they mention anything like that?

lg
jakob

[jonnymac]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Listen to the top end. Melodyne dulls it considerably - even when not actually correcting anything. That's what I can't stand.

It definitely does sacrifice a tiny bit of tone, however..... I'd rather have a great performance thats in tune. then less dull top end on a pitchy performance.
you dont have to use it on words your not tuning.
just bounce a tuned melodyned track and comp in the words you want fixed into the original track.

[author]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

melodyne as it is has loadfs of artifacts so i'm keen to hear if this new version will at least improve the quality of monophonic material

I don't think so -- they seem completely focused on DNA. Which I believe could be a mistake.

People will always need high quality monophonic pitch- and timeshift, especially for vocals. But how often do you need to change a note in guitar chord?

Granted, it's fun, it's entertaining and it is thrilling from a scientific point of view.

But it's also a little pointless if you still have the old artifacts.

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by jonnymac

you dont have to use it on words your not tuning.
just bounce a tuned melodyned track and comp in the words you want fixed into the original track.

this is true and i do it but i've had times when it doesn't seem to fit with the unprocessed

i go between Tune / Melodyne & Logic's Tuner which is sometimes easier & better...believe it or not

[AudioWonderland]

Originally Posted by author

People will always need high quality monophonic pitch- and timeshift, especially for vocals. But how often do you need to change a note in guitar chord?

They didn't always need those things. That people think they do today is a sad state of affairs.... :(

[Danny J Lewis]

For those of you interested - some first impressions here - in 720p if you click through the channel.

[AudioWonderland]

Originally Posted by author

I don't think so -- they seem completely focused on DNA. Which I believe could be a mistake.

People will always need high quality monophonic pitch- and timeshift, especially for vocals. But how often do you need to change a note in guitar chord?

Granted, it's fun, it's entertaining and it is thrilling from a scientific point of view.

But it's also a little pointless if you still have the old artifacts.

I'm sure they are focused on DNA. After 18 months of delays, pissed of customers and abuse I am certain they are solely focused on it.

I don't like pitch correction but if it must exist it should be as ood as possible. I have never felt a need to correct a note in an instruments chords. I think they may have indeed missed the forest for the trees on this one