Massey DTM = Awesome

[Mafiso]

yup...it's good stuff. Been my sole method for replacement the last few months. I use it in conjunction with Steven Slate and/or Battery 3, it's the most natural sounding option I've tried.(ie sound replacer and drumagog)

[Ben B]

My only "complaint" is that it should auto-spot the MIDI region to the same location as the audio region that was analyzed. Otherwise, it's killer.

-Ben B

[Mike Brown]

I like it and use it for small budget productions... but its not sample accurate every time.... thus I have to keep using sound replacer and cutting triggers.

[Oroz]

Originally Posted by Ben B

My only "complaint" is that it should auto-spot the MIDI region to the same location as the audio region that was analyzed. Otherwise, it's killer.

-Ben B

What do you mean? It copies exactly where it should.

Edit: I think is version dependent that's why on some systems it's a bit different but in PT8 it's working fine.

[Ben B]

The Drag & Drop feature, for me, just puts the MIDI region wherever I "drop" it. Do you know of a feature that I've missed?

-Ben B

[Ben B]

Originally Posted by Mayor999

I like it and use it for small budget productions... but its not sample accurate every time.... thus I have to keep using sound replacer and cutting triggers.

Interesting. I've admittedly only started using DTM today, however it seems super-accurate so far compared to my experiences with Sound Replacer. Perhaps I will encounter weirdness over time, but if today's work was any indication, I'm sticking with DTM for the time being.

-Ben B

[Mike Brown]

Originally Posted by Ben B

Interesting. I've admittedly only started using DTM today, however it seems super-accurate so far compared to my experiences with Sound Replacer. Perhaps I will encounter weirdness over time, but if today's work was any indication, I'm sticking with DTM for the time being.

-Ben B

Sound Replacer is ONLY better if you are cut triggers.

[Oroz]

Originally Posted by Ben B

The Drag & Drop feature, for me, just puts the MIDI region wherever I "drop" it. Do you know of a feature that I've missed?

-Ben B

Try dropping it at the Region Bin (on the left). Did you downloaded the tutorial videos from Massey's web page? On one of those Massey clearly shows step by step how to do it.

[Ben B]

I think it's possible you're misunderstanding what I'm saying here. I'm not having any trouble getting the MIDI region into a playlist. I'm just saying that it would be great if the MIDI region would auto-spot to the exact same location as the audio region that was analyzed. This would be useful if the original audio region doesn't align to session start.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you.

-Ben B

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by Ben B

I think it's possible you're misunderstanding what I'm saying here. I'm not having any trouble getting the MIDI region into a playlist. I'm just saying that it would be great if the MIDI region would auto-spot to the exact same location as the audio region that was analyzed. This would be useful if the original audio region doesn't align to session start.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you.

-Ben B

Unless I missed it somewhere DTM really wants you to do the entire track in "one fell swoop" (is that the correct way of phrasing that term?). It would be nice if you could work on the song in "sections" easier.

I think that's another reason why the auto-spot feature would be handy.

That being said, I actually haven't used DTM yet, but probably will for some mixing I've got going on next week.

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Originally Posted by Mayor999

I like it and use it for small budget productions... but its not sample accurate every time.... thus I have to keep using sound replacer and cutting triggers.

I still do SP for the most part.. but once` I get a track pocketed & sound replaced, I usually add another using DTM... love it tho...

[Ben B]

You know, I just thought of something with regard to my auto-spotting concern. I wonder if you leave the original audio region highlighted, and then use the drag and drop feature while in spot mode, if you can use the "spot to current timecode location" feature. I'll try this and report back. It might be just the ticket.

-Ben B

[Eric Greedy]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

Unless I missed it somewhere DTM really wants you to do the entire track in "one fell swoop" (is that the correct way of phrasing that term?). It would be nice if you could work on the song in "sections" easier.

I think that's another reason why the auto-spot feature would be handy.

That being said, I actually haven't used DTM yet, but probably will for some mixing I've got going on next week.

First. I think it's AMAZING.

Second... if I'm working on a difficult track and need to update a few sections I make an midi-playlist above the instrument playlist that has has the "master" midi track I've made with DTM... then I can adjust the parameters and throw this new one into the midi-track (in shuffle mode of course) that's above my master instrument playlist. Then I copy the desired piece to the "master" midi region.

[Markus Stock]

The Combination of DTM and Aptrigga is my drumreplacement Standard since a good while and its so much more Troublefree than any other replacer I tried. I will create a new Midi Track and a new Audiotrack with Aptrigga right under the track I need to replace. The Miditrack's ouput is routed to Aptrigga. I then start replacing in sections starting in the end of the song making my way through to the beginning, this way the dragged midi regions don't overwrite what you've done before. Once a section looks good in DTM I dragg it to the Miditrack. I then will control if there are some hits that don't align and nudge the Midi notes accordingly. This way I have a perfectly replaced track (even if its complicated Metal, lots of fills, blastbeats etc) in about 15-20 Minutes. Try that with Soundreplacer!

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Originally Posted by Markus Stock

This way I have a perfectly replaced track (even if its complicated Metal, lots of fills, blastbeats etc) in about 15-20 Minutes. Try that with Soundreplacer!

Usually about how long it takes me with SR..just about ur workflow I guess...

[HOTC]

yeah DTM is cool
but with samples i manually copy and paste things
takes for ****ing ages but its totally accurate

[Markus Stock]

Originally Posted by KEYBEEETSSS

Usually about how long it takes me with SR..just about ur workflow I guess...

I have been coming from Soundreplacer and for Metalstuff it took me about an hour to replace each hit ACCURATELY (lots of nudging around - tons of phasey hits). But yeah, workflow is always an issue. I know alot of people having luck with Drumagog - it never worked with my workflow and I needed AGES to have a good replacement track!

[psycho_monkey]

Massey - definitely the best triggering so far.

I reckon it's saved me about 2 days on my current album mix. Retriggering lots of programmed drums against live tracks etc. With that and battery, half the time I don't even bother printing the samples - just checking by listening through.

[Ben B]

Okay, after two more days of working with DTM, I have made a couple more observations. First, the "auto-spot" mode I previously wished for is mostly not necessary. Even if DTM analyzes a short audio region that begins somewhere other than session start, the MIDI region that the plug-in generates contains silence up to the start of the MIDI notes. This allows you to drag the MIDI region to session start regardless of the location of the analyzed audio region. Still, it would be nice if DTM would allow you to work in sections, as it definitely becomes a hassle when there are portions of the performance that didn't detect properly. Which brings me to my next observation...

For the most part, I am very satisfied with DTM's ability to detect trigger points accurately. In fact, the timing seems far tighter than Sound Replacer, with regard to keeping attacks lined up, avoiding false triggers, unwanted flams, and phaseyness (sp?).

However, when the detection is "off," it's really off. In Sound Replacer, most users have had the experience of the replacement sample being a few milliseconds off from where it should have been placed. With DTM, I haven't encountered any of these "slight" misfires, but I have experienced several trigger points that are very far off the mark. This seems to happen most during rolls. Though I haven't measured it, these erroneous hits seem to be as much as 500 ms off (that's half a second!).

Still, I'm having lots of fun with DTM. Since Structure doesn't want to work in my PT system (something about the database needing to be rebuilt... whatevs...), I've been creating massively layered and velocity-switched drum Combinators in Reason (using multiple NN-XT's). It's tedious at first, but you can then save them as templates and use them in future sessions with DTM. Since all the samples are being triggered from the same MIDI notes, there are never any issues with regard to their time relationships to each other, as can sometimes occur when using Sound Replacer. It's great being able to make adjustments to the blend between all the different sample layers in real time, as opposed to having to render the output of Sound Replacer to tracks first.

Cool!

-Ben B

[Mike Brown]

Originally Posted by Ben B

Okay, after two more days of working with DTM, I have made a couple more observations. First, the "auto-spot" mode I previously wished for is mostly not necessary. Even if DTM analyzes a short audio region that begins somewhere other than session start, the MIDI region that the plug-in generates contains silence up to the start of the MIDI notes. This allows you to drag the MIDI region to session start regardless of the location of the analyzed audio region. Still, it would be nice if DTM would allow you to work in sections, as it definitely becomes a hassle when there are portions of the performance that didn't detect properly. Which brings me to my next observation...

For the most part, I am very satisfied with DTM's ability to detect trigger points accurately. In fact, the timing seems far tighter than Sound Replacer, with regard to keeping attacks lined up, avoiding false triggers, unwanted flams, and phaseyness (sp?).

However, when the detection is "off," it's really off. In Sound Replacer, most users have had the experience of the replacement sample being a few milliseconds off from where it should have been placed. With DTM, I haven't encountered any of these "slight" misfires, but I have experienced several trigger points that are very far off the mark. This seems to happen most during rolls. Though I haven't measured it, these erroneous hits seem to be as much as 500 ms off (that's half a second!).

Still, I'm having lots of fun with DTM. Since Structure doesn't want to work in my PT system (something about the database needing to be rebuilt... whatevs...), I've been creating massively layered and velocity-switched drum Combinators in Reason (using multiple NN-XT's). It's tedious at first, but you can then save them as templates and use them in future sessions with DTM. Since all the samples are being triggered from the same MIDI notes, there are never any issues with regard to their time relationships to each other, as can sometimes occur when using Sound Replacer. It's great being able to make adjustments to the blend between all the different sample layers in real time, as opposed to having to render the output of Sound Replacer to tracks first.

Cool!

-Ben B

Anyone know why he is not offering the plugin anymore?

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by Mayor999

Anyone know why he is not offering the plugin anymore?

Ummmm.... I actually just downloaded this plug to my system today! Unless he's taken it off the site in the last couple hours......?

[TehGuitarist]

i've read that a few new customers don't have access to the download link anymore, real bummer because i was going to buy tapehead today to get it in time for a job i'm doing, but now im thinking ill just wait til i actually have the money to spare.

[byrd62au]

In the FAQ on the site it says the plug is no longer available. I had no idea it existed till this thread.

[HOTC]

Originally Posted by Bryan Talbot

What??!! No explanation at all... Sure glad I got it when I could - I love it.

[Ben B]

Wow, that was unexpected. Let's hope he has something even better up his sleeve.

-Ben B

[weezul]

Originally Posted by HOTC

agreed. It's saved my ass more than once when i've been given bad drum recordings to mix

[Mike Brown]

I still have a download link from the registered users portion of the site.


I hope this means it is being replaced with something awesome-r (if thats even possible at any where NEAR the pricepoints he operates at) or it will be back shortly.

[Keith Moore]

Originally Posted by Oroz

Try dropping it at the Region Bin (on the left). Did you downloaded the tutorial videos from Massey's web page? On one of those Massey clearly shows step by step how to do it.

Where are these videos?

[Oroz]

Originally Posted by Keith Moore

Where are these videos?

At the registered users link. I've said this before but I don't know why there are some parts that are hidden at Massey's web page. I can only access that portion of the web by going into my emails and clicking on the link .