Is PT HD slowly giving way to native Nuendo?

[Tony Shepperd]

Originally Posted by Yuri Kogan

Why, because he disagrees with you?
We have 4 HD3 systems. You coud say we have some experience. Alot of what he says makes perfect sense, whether you like it or not.
Fair is fair

Yury

No because if you check Allen's post, he wants to bait you.
That's why you will see so many people who after his post say, don't feed the troll.

[Yuri Kogan]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

No because if you check Allen's post, he wants to bait you.
That's why you will see so many people who after his post say, don't feed the troll.

Perhaps. But he did provide some facts. Nuendo/cubase is still very popular everywhere outside the US. There are many alternatives for PT these days. We are in the unfortunate situation of having made a substantial investment are stuck with it for the time being. But unless we see some decent quality and stability improvements and better support (people are knocking Cubase support, I can say the same for PT - the most finicky and unstable DAW I have ever worked with), I would hazzard to guess we will be looking at alternatives. We need a stable, reliable modern platform, capable working with better available hardware without spending days installing and troubleshooting.
Yury

[allencollins]

Originally Posted by shanabit

Allen, heres the facts.

1. The OP asked if HD is giving way to Nuendo. Answer is NO its not

You turned the question into "Is HD as powerful as Nuendo?"

2. "Is HD as powerful as Nuendo?

Answer: NO ITS NOT!!! Nuendo smokes HD with track counts and probably plugin counts which you and I already know to be true so whats your point??

3. I can drive a Monster Truck to take me to work and back which has all the power in the world. Reality is I only need a little four cylinder Toyota Corolla to get me there. Most dont need all that and especially guys tracking bands and you know that. The argument is moot at best.

FACT: Nuendo is losing userbase bigtime.

FACT: As long as Fredo runs Nuendo.com and Steinberg continues its crappy ways of ignoring bugs and treating its users like second class citizens, Ill pass

I use Cubase BTW

Oh ok? Are you Greek God of DAW's? or are you related to Nostradamus? or Just a person who makes up stuff off the top of his head? DATA? FACTS? Articles...?

Seriously give me some DATA not opinion. Lastly maybe I was off topic
a bit but I asked the question 'Which tool is more powerful?' not which tool has more bugs

[allencollins]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

No because if you check Allen's post, he wants to bait you.
That's why you will see so many people who after his post say, don't feed the troll.

No I don't want to bait you Tony, just debate you?

big difference

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

That's why you will see so many people who after his post say, don't feed the troll.

They say that because they have no facts to back up their argument even if they have an argument?
Disagreement is not always accompanied by argument.


the troll thing is a cop out. It's like a 5 year old who wakes up on a Monday morning and doesn't want to go to school
Mommy comes in his bedroom so he starts crying to avoid the inevitable?

The inevitable here is you guys trying to prove me wrong. AND YOU NEVER DO. Hence the Troll copout

we'll call it the Troll Cop out rescue plan. When no facts or rebuttal are available you can always
resort to the Troll Cop out rescue plan.

Well it doesn't work

At this point what difference does it make? My records sound like they sound and your sound like they sound PT or no PT
Nuendo or no Nuendo it's a moot point.

I have to give you a way out that's the sad part of this. I forfeit! satisfied? But my numbers are posted. The My DAW analysis is published Just try and refute it. Oct 1 2009 250 tracks.......... The day the truth will be told Nuendo topples PTHD and hard. It will be like Vince Wilfork tackling Ryan Seacrest. There will be blood everywhere. It won't be pretty but it will make a statement no doubt.

over and out boys. School starts Tomorrow 8am. First class Differential Equations then Assembly language a 10:30
and then advanced Data Structures at 1pm EST. this is my last post until Oct 1....................

I'll hit the books You guys hit the bricks

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by allencollins

Oh ok?

Are you Greek God of DAW's?
NO, Im an Italian love God

or are you related to Nostradamus?
NO, he was less than 50% accurate. Im more on than that

or Just a person who makes up stuff off the top of his head? DATA? FACTS? Articles...?
Protools craps out way before my Cubase here using the same plugins, FACT


Seriously give me some DATA not opinion. Lastly maybe I was off topic
a bit but I asked the question 'Which tool is more powerful?' not which tool has more bugs

I dont have an HD system from which to give you your desired DATA, ask Tony or someone else with the expensive dongle, I have the cheap one

Can you run Cuemixes with effects as well as HD though? Just askin. I know we have direct monitoring.

What I/O are you using BTW?

[Tony Shepperd]

If all Allen wanted was facts it takes 30 seconds to find this out on the Digidesign website.
Pro Tools|HD Core Systems


In the real world Pro Tools goes head to head with every system out there.
I've used RADAR. They are sonically better A/D/A than the 192's.
But in the real world of making modern records they fall dramatically short.
When I work on a RADAR with large scale projects it slows the creative process down significantly.

And as for Native systems, you could look at Pro Tools as a Native system or TDM. It works either way.
No matter how much TDM processing you use, you still have all the Native horsepower in reserve.
So I really don't get people who only tout Native. There will ALWAYS be more power on TDM.
And Yuri, my substantial investment as you called it was around $15,000.
I spent $10k on the HD upgrade and then another $5k on plugins and computer.

It paid for it's self in the first 3 months. That was 5 years ago.
There are STILL Mix Plus systems in use today. Hard to believe but they are.
People are still getting value out of Digidesign hardware.
And IMO if you buy smart, you can get the systems to pay for it's self in no time.
So I don't buy this crap about "it's all hype." It might be hype where Allen lives.
But where I live, it's my daily bread and butter income.

[Tony Shepperd]

Originally Posted by Yuri Kogan

But unless we see some decent quality and stability improvements and better support (people are knocking Cubase support, I can say the same for PT - the most finicky and unstable DAW I have ever worked with), I would hazzard to guess we will be looking at alternatives. We need a stable, reliable modern platform, capable working with better available hardware without spending days installing and troubleshooting.
Yury

Yuri is your name Your Kogan, but you sign off with Yury?

[allencollins]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

If all Allen wanted was facts it takes 30 seconds to find this out on the Digidesign website.
Pro Tools|HD Core Systems


In the real world Pro Tools goes head to head with every system out there.
I've used RADAR. They are sonically better A/D/A than the 192's.
But in the real world of making modern records they fall dramatically short.
When I work on a RADAR with large scale projects it slows the creative process down significantly.

And as for Native systems, you could look at Pro Tools as a Native system or TDM. It works either way.
No matter how much TDM processing you use, you still have all the Native horsepower in reserve.
So I really don't get people who only tout Native. There will ALWAYS be more power on TDM.
And Yuri, my substantial investment as you called it was around $15,000.
I spent $10k on the HD upgrade and then another $5k on plugins and computer.

It paid for it's self in the first 3 months. That was 5 years ago.
There are STILL Mix Plus systems in use today. Hard to believe but they are.
People are still getting value out of Digidesign hardware.
And IMO if you buy smart, you can get the systems to pay for it's self in no time.
So I don't buy this crap about "it's all hype." It might be hype where Allen lives.
But where I live, it's my daily bread and butter income.

Radar is limited converters are great but editing is cumbersome no plugin support
it's just like tape deck deck?

It's not all hype here guys make money with it? My mentor out here loves PT users since 93/94. He record Aerosmith demos cut a couple Yes albums
so it's very relevant

LA is still the musical Capital so if it is what is?


I'm just asking which has the edge power wise taking into account price ?

that's all folks. Jules will be happy I'm gone for a month............


love you Tony

[Yuri Kogan]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

Yuri is your name Your Kogan, but you sign off with Yury?

Yury was taken when I registered. Yury is correct.

BTW when we bought our systems, HD3's were rrp$25kAU. We have 4 of them. Plus HD cards for Auroras (4/system) when we upgraded converters from 192's. Plus 192digital because that was the only way to get Our RADARS loked into PT for traking via digital.
Anyway you look at it its alot of money. Not much else works with HD, and whatever does you pary every update it is still supported. DIGI are arrogant and have no regard for their users.
I think as more youngsters grow up on cheaper DAWs the current "industry standard" situation will change. I hope its sooner then later. At the end of the day its just a tool (not the best one at that) and in todays state of the industry we need to look after our profits. DIGI models is still based around where studios were in the 80's.
Sorry for a long rant

Yury

[Tony Shepperd]

Originally Posted by Yuri Kogan

Yury was taken when I registered. Yury is correct.

BTW when we bought our systems, HD3's were rrp$25kAU. We have 4 of them. Plus HD cards for Auroras (4/system) when we upgraded converters from 192's. Plus 192digital because that was the only way to get Our RADARS loked into PT for traking via digital.
Anyway you look at it its alot of money. Not much else works with HD, and whatever does you pary every update it is still supported. DIGI are arrogant and have no regard for their users.
I think as more youngsters grow up on cheaper DAWs the current "industry standard" situation will change. I hope its sooner then later. At the end of the day its just a tool (not the best one at that) and in todays state of the industry we need to look after our profits. DIGI models is still based around where studios were in the 80's.
Sorry for a long rant

Yury

So Yury, you're a perfect person to ask this question to:
If you have 4 HD systems and you believe there are other systems out there that are better, why not sell them and by a Cubase or Nuendo?

[Yuri Kogan]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

So Yury, you're a perfect person to ask this question to:
If you have 4 HD systems and you believe there are other systems out there that are better, why not sell them and by a Cubase or Nuendo?

Good question. I guess it deserves a good unswer.
We are a professional studio. We are in it for profit. The cost of conversion cannot be justified at the moment. We did look at it recently. But the cost of new systems, rewiring, retraning stuff to use new systems, working out new templates.... is uncomfortable for us right now. The studio is booked pretty well, so we cannot go off line easily.But we will have another review in March 2010 and will make a decision then.
To make it short its a commercial decision not technical.

Yury

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

When I work on a RADAR with large scale projects it slows the creative process down significantly.

I work with RADAR, Genex, (and Sequoia).... have never noticed any hinderance for any "creative process"... well, at least how I define "creative process"... I don't make music with the DAW. maybe if the RADAR were to occasionally tell me I suck, yeah it might hinder me...but no difference in that or a DAW, creatively..

[hipass]

Is PT HD slowly giving way to McDSP Retro Recorder on the iPhone.
That statement is equally ridiculous as this thread.

In fact I am banning myself from this thread.


Jules we NEED an INGORE THREAD function . Thank-You!!!!

[Leon EA]

A lot of fanboy discussion in here.

Yes, PT is clearly the professional industry standard for years now, because they have been doing the right thing for a long time. Whether that still is valid is clearly a very subjective thing - fact is that many clients ask for a PT rig *because* it is an industry standard, not because it is the best DAW. Since the client pays your bills this is self-inflicting over and over again.

So, to me, this whole thread is pointless and will stay a fanboy flame war until the apocalypse appears. Or Jules.

tutt