Chandler LTD-2
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6th May 2003
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Chandler LTD-2

Hey anyone use this thing?

Wuz it like?

It's cheap!

It's ugly!

It's vintage sea green so it must sound good!

The Chandler website tells me dildo about it!

Not even meaningless specs!

I can't find any blown up pictures so I can't read what all those settings are for the two right knobs!

Damn it's cheap!

I want it!







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Aww comeon! Nobody has one of these?
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They're pretty ****ing awesome in a 32264a kinda way...
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LTD-2

I have two. They sound SOOOOO much like a Neve 2254 it's scary. But, that's what they're supposed to sound like.
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Re: LTD-2

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I have two. They sound SOOOOO much like a Neve 2254 it's scary. But, that's what they're supposed to sound like.
What does that sound like? Otherwise we got two cans of paint with no labels on them here if ya know what I mean...
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Is it like, hard knee compression? Only good on transients? How much can it squish before it sucks? How does it distort?
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2254

From Phoenix Audio site:

2262 This was basically a derivative of the 2254 using a motherboard construction but repackaged into a case that matched the dimensions, fixings, and McMurdo two row connector of the Pye Limiter Compressor produced around the same period. Not that many were made and, ironically, I've seen more Pye compressors in Studios than 2262's!

2264 (and its derivatives) was further derivative of the 2254 and, like the 2262, using a motherboard system of assembly and no more B183/283 Class A Output or transformer buffering the diode bridge. It was designed to slot into the space occupied by a standard 8.75" Neve correction unit and was the only 45 series module that I can recall that used an extruded aluminium top and bottom panel. The motherboard wedged into a slot inside this extrusion, trapped by steel expanding pins. The 2264 used an Ernest Turner Gain Reduction Meter that had to have the edges of its clear plastic bezel milled down to fit the module width. This in turn meant that the side edges of the meter were less than one millimetre thick and VERY prone to breaking when inserting the module into a console or rack! Ernest Turner are long gone but there are other meters that fit better to these modules.

(It's worth mentioning that special versions of both the 2254 and 2264 were made with switchable frequency compensationadded to the side chains to enable their use as a De-Esser).

3314 was a 35mm wide derivative of the 2264 for the 53 range of Broadcast Consoles and their custom derivatives. The gain reduction meter was remote mounted.

The next three units are down to me, as Special Orders Manager, in terms of their design heritage (along with all the other hard working techs who assembled them!)

The 33609 (and its 33610, 11, and 12 derivatives) was two 3314 mother boards mounted in a substantial 19" x 2U rack housing along with the PSU card and 2N3055 from the 1777 power supply. It used the aluminium machine turned knobs from the 35mm range of Neve modules and a (legal at the time) EP4 mains connector. A mono version was available in the same case size (a waste of space I corrected later!) and stereo and mono versions were made without the mains PSU for operation on 24 volts. A later version was adapted to fit in the top of 8108/8128 consoles, strung across the complementary power rails. I tried steadfastly to have these units upgraded with a mains neon rocker switch to replace the expensive locking toggle switch and an IC regulator to replace the expensive 1777PSU but the changes (including Sifam Collet Knobs) took place much later, after I had left to firm.
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Benjy --- did you read that or just post it??

We're trying to figure out what it sounds like!!?!

wtf
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Re: 2254

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Originally posted by Benjy King

<SNIP>
2262 This was basically a derivative of the 2254 <SNIP>
Ahhh yes. So the 3365234(whatever) sounds like the 2262 which sounds like the 2254.

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<SNIP>
2264 (and its derivatives) was further derivative of the 2254 and, like the 2262, using a motherboard system of assembly and no more B183/283 Class A Output or transformer buffering the diode bridge.
<SNIP>
Oh yah! I love the sound of buffered diode bridges!


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<SNIP>
3314 was a 35mm wide derivative of the 2264 for the 53 range of Broadcast Consoles and their custom derivatives. The gain reduction meter was remote mounted. <SNIP>
Fascinating. I guess that the 3314 35mm width parented from the 2264 part of te 53 family neccesitates remote mounted gain meters. What a great idea! That needle bouncing around probably discombobulates the antipolar pascallian formant zenith for the fudgesicle ratio.


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The 33609 (and its 33610, 11, and 12 derivatives) was two 3314 mother boards mounted in a substantial 19" x 2U rack housing along with the PSU card and 2N3055 from the 1777 power supply. It used the aluminium machine turned knobs from the 35mm range of Neve modules and a (legal at the time) EP4 mains connector.
Wow so the 2N3055 sounds like the 1777's groinal ligament when coupled with two 3314/33609/11/12/13s in the sixth posture of the perfumed circle embrace?

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<SNIP>A later version was adapted to fit in the top of 8108/8128 consoles, strung across the complementary power rails. I tried steadfastly to have these units upgraded with a mains neon rocker switch to replace the expensive locking toggle switch and an IC regulator to replace the expensive 1777PSU but the changes (including Sifam Collet Knobs) took place much later, after I had left to firm.
Ok thank you. I LOATHE complimentary power rails. When the electron heat loss can be quantitatively modeled by taking account of the clumping in parallel streaming electrons and the resultant self-consistent interaction with collective modes shear flow can lead to large reductions in the edge particle flux with little change in the heat flux leading to coupling of magnetic modes with wall modes, or from the effect of neutral penetration influencing the positive vector contraction Banach space operators interpreting coupling constants in terms of the moduli of extended-object (brane) background of the non-perturbative physics of the electroweak and quark-hadron phase transitions you end up with tangled strung power rails, the sound of which some enjoy but I attempt to avoid.

Anyways, thanks for the input.
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LTD-2

I'm sorry. I thought it was understood between Fletcher's statement:"They're pretty ****ing awesome in a 32264a kinda way..." And my statement:"They sound SOOOOO much like a Neve 2254 it's scary".

Yes, I read and then posted the above overview.

The LTD-2, simply put, sounds like a 2254, 32264, 33609. The LTD-2 has more increments of attack and release.
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Re: Re: 2254

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Ok thank you. I LOATHE complimentary power rails. When the electron heat loss can be quantitatively modeled by taking account of the clumping in parallel streaming electrons and the resultant self-consistent interaction with collective modes hear flow can lead to large reductions in the edge particle flux with little change in the heat flux leading to coupling of magnetic modes with wall modes, or from the effect of neutral penetration influencing the positive vector contraction Banach space operators interpreting coupling constants in terms of the moduli of extended-object (brane) background of the non-perturbative physics of the electroweak and quark-hadron phase transitions tangles the strung power rails.
LOL!! I need to get a tissue...

I read that and the cartoon portion of my brain* (*as the great Bryce would say) caused me to hear it in my head in Marvin the Martian's voice.

Nonetheless, I'm lusting to try one of these Chandler things...
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Close, but Fae I think you forgot to mention the effect of psiotronic modes on anti-coagulant Mu-chambered resistatic power couplings. Don't forget(!): The Zenith Bean Postulate was founded on the principle that no two voltage rails once used to squash pennies on local commuter tracks are directly related to compressor derivatives LA2A, 1176, and Meek OJVC (little known orange box, circa 1973, October). The smell is no good no more on the older ones.

Benjy, thanks for clarifying! Now we're getting somewhere!! thumbsup
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Re: Re: Re: 2254

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LOL!! I need to get a tissue...

I read that and the cartoon portion of my brain* (*as the great Bryce would say) caused me to hear it in my head in Marvin the Martian's voice.

The Neve Capricorn console series is also akin to the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator. Delays, delays!
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, and Meek OJVC (little known orange box, circa 1973, October). The smell is no good no more on the older ones.
I have fond memories of squeezing the OJVC.

The exact origin of Meek equipment was difficult to track. Broadly speaking, an early bitter type of Meek is believed to have originated from Southeast Asia and India. As a species, the modern varieties of Meek came from China, but the Joe Meek as we enjoy it today may have come from China, Burma, India, Bhutan or Malaysia as early as 4000 BC. In fact, the words "Joe Meek" originate from Sanskrit, an ancient Hindu language.

The migration of Meek from Asia to Europe began slowly, presumably near the time of the fall of the Roman Empire, when the recording equipment became established in Italy. Meek didn't begin to flourish in Europe until the fourteenth century, though, when early greenhouses were developed to help prevent frost damage to what would eventually become known as the OJVC.

Originally, Meek was used for embalming, aphrodisiacs, cleansing agents and beauty treatments. Before Meek was used for food, it was valued as an ornament. Particularly exceptional varieties of Meek were prized for their fragrance and were used as a seasoning ingredient.

As you said though, the scent has been crossbred out of the current variety, and is no good anymore.
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There are still rumors,though, of a 'master' Meek race who, if the prophecy should come true shall rule the world for 1000 years after inheriting it.

The Meeks have not gone away. They are scheming. Plotting. They will return.
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Quote:
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The migration of Meek from Asia to Europe began slowly, presumably near the time of the fall of the Roman Empire, when the recording equipment became established in Italy. Meek didn't begin to flourish in Europe until the fourteenth century, though, when early greenhouses were developed to help prevent frost damage to what would eventually become known as the OJVC.

Originally, Meek was used for embalming, aphrodisiacs, cleansing agents and beauty treatments. Before Meek was used for food, it was valued as an ornament. Particularly exceptional varieties of Meek were prized for their fragrance and were used as a seasoning ingredient.

As you said though, the scent has been crossbred out of the current variety, and is no good anymore.
My Grampa still has some of the (late) Asiatic Meek in his cryogenic organ locker (saving kidneys and a heart, you know... just in case [wink]). While touring Tibet in the late fall of 1920, he procured it from the Dalai Lama's private collection (but only after unprecedented, long, bitter negotiations with the Dalai himself). Are you familiar with the ancient methods of Meek preservation? No need for fancy western refrigerartion/freezing when you can preserve Meek in a pond of levitated mercurium!

Each 25th wedding anniversary, he defrosts and retreives about a teaspoon full (using Wermer's industrial teaspoons, because, as you know, Asiatic Meek is far too heavy for the storebought type) and shares it with Grandma on seedless rye toast (cuzza their dentures). Don't laugh! They're old folks, what do you expect? You don't have to tell my Gramps (or Gramma [wink]) about the aprhodisic effects of Meek! He says he has no need for viagra no more.


p.s. - I tried to pm you, but your pm box is full!
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You may not believe me. but I have written extensively on the Meeks, and even wrote an interactive book about them (text adventure)

You can download the OS 9 only game here:

http://www.bevvyb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/InHere/Return Of The Meeks.bin

It's 418k, so not too big.

Because this silly forum cuts the ends off of URL's you need to copy the whole URL to your URL box

If you do bother to play the game, the only flaw in it is you can actually go west from the first room.

I just dragged this from an old OS 9 partition. The game was written 2 years ago!

I first heard about the Meeks during a particulalry lengthly game of 'Mornington Crescent' between me and a friend (which is what this thread is turning into)

If you don't know what the Mornington Crescent game is (apart from a London tube station) do a search on Google.

The Meeks do exist. I'm not sure if I've ever seen one, but I think I have.
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Re: LTD-2

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I'm sorry. I thought it was understood between Fletcher's statement:"They're pretty ****ing awesome in a 32264a kinda way..." And my statement:"They sound SOOOOO much like a Neve 2254 it's scary".

Yes, I read and then posted the above overview.

The LTD-2, simply put, sounds like a 2254, 32264, 33609. The LTD-2 has more increments of attack and release.
Hey Benjy,

A 2254 and a 32264a sound nothing alike(I have both and have used them forever).

A 32264a and a 33609(original) are similar sounding.

Geoff is actually coming out with a new comp in the fall.
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Screw the gear lets have more Meekinian Thought.
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Around the year 1970 AD, originating in a small muddy pit northwest of modern day London, tone worshipping Indo-European circuit designers calling themselves Neves, using a language known as IEEE 315-1975 , invaded central Europe and occupied territory as far as the western countries of Asia Major.

In fact, all of those countries spanning their age of conquest bear names directly related to them - England, Germany, France are all corruptions of the original word "Neve". (Far off distant racial cousins of the Neves went west, penetrating as far as North America).

After 1970, waves of Neves flooded into the audio world, setting up a up a nation which became known as Neve Inc., or "Land of the Neves." By the middle of the 6th year AD post 1970 the Corporate Empire had incorporated Nevea into its boundaries, and by 1980 AD, Corporatea had assimilate Nevea into it's governing system and way of life.

By this time most of the original Neves in Nevea had been absorbed into the local native population, although it is still possible to this day to see old men with big ears amongst the modern AE population.

During the 1st Century post 2000 AD, the SolidiaStataLogias, an American race, waged war upon Nevea, with their rule destroying the last vestiges of the original Neve culture and race. Thereafter Nevea fell under the rule of a large number of different races, until the 7th Century post 2000 AD when an unusually large band of big eared retirement age males occupied the region. By this time though the people of Nevea had passed into legend - and only that name is still revered and worshiped today.
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Re: 2254

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The 33609 (and its 33610, 11, and 12 derivatives) was two 3314 mother boards mounted in a substantial 19" x 2U rack housing along with the PSU card and 2N3055 from the 1777 power supply. It used the aluminium machine turned knobs from the 35mm range of Neve modules and a (legal at the time) EP4 mains connector. A mono version was available in the same case size (a waste of space I corrected later!) and stereo and mono versions were made without the mains PSU for operation on 24 volts. A later version was adapted to fit in the top of 8108/8128 consoles, strung across the complementary power rails. I tried steadfastly to have these units upgraded with a mains neon rocker switch to replace the expensive locking toggle switch and an IC regulator to replace the expensive 1777PSU but the changes (including Sifam Collet Knobs) took place much later, after I had left to firm.

What, no flux capacitator? What kind of time machine is this????
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Re: Re: LTD-2

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A 2254 and a 32264a sound nothing alike(I have both and have used them forever).
The hell they don't.
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The meeks shall inherit the earth...and the geeks shall continue to write in this thread...

hey...wait a second...i'm writing ???
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What applications does the LTD 2 tend to sound best on - vox, guitars, bass...?
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The hell they don't.
The hell they do.grudge
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Re: Re: Re: LTD-2

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The hell they don't.

tutt I would bow to your extensive experience but raise an eyebrow of surpise at that statement.

The 2254 is a 1272 in disguise.... it's all class A, uses the BA283/AV amplifier and LI1166 O/P transformer and has around 60dB gain lurking in there so it bloomin' well needs it.... the infamous diode bridge works at around -40dBu and the gain make up is a 20dB attenuator that you reduce the attenuation to get the gain... a bit like the sensitivity switch on a 1073.

The 2262/64/33314/etc have a single, lonely, BA440 or 640 amplifier that's driving Class AB into the smaller LO1173 output transformer. The normal maximum gain of a BA440/640 was set at 40dB but the combination of the 8dB gain in the output transformer and the extra gain boost required means that the amp is running at around 52dB gain if you cranked the gain make up fully (which I doubt is ever done).

All that aside, saying that a 2254 sounds like a 2264 is almost the same as saying (EQ deselected) that a 1073 sounds like a 3104. The output circuitry is loosely similar to the two compressors...

Just my 2c
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Geoff... what a lovely, pedantic explanation... when you use the shit in application, get back to us.
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