Sequencer that can safe mix scenarios for every part

[Flying_Dutchman]

Is there a sequencer that can safe mixer scenarios by pushing one button?
I mean like on Mackie digital 8-bus.
I´d like to mix intro, than push safe, than mix the 1 verse, press safe and so on
there should be a track where i can set the mixerscenarios on the timelime
it would be much faster than automation

[Mike Brown]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

Is there a sequencer that can safe mixer scenarios by pushing one button?
I mean like on Mackie digital 8-bus.
I´d like to mix intro, than push safe, than mix the 1 verse, press safe and so on
there should be a track where i can set the mixerscenarios on the timelime
it would be much faster than automation

I would assume that -all- DAW's can do this... but I know Pro Tools can.

Select the section, playback and set the parameters then write to all enabled.

[Flying_Dutchman]

Thanks,
i´ll try, i use cubase.

[Flying_Dutchman]

it´s not possible in cubase.
it´s only possible for volume, if you use overwrite automation
all other paramters, like aux send level, plug-in bypass, plug-in paramters, etc. aren´t saved in the automation

i would really like to mix every part of a song on it´s own and just press "safe actual mixer setup", than mix part 2 and so on

[Flying_Dutchman]

After reading the samplitude manual, i think it can´t do this, too

[Flying_Dutchman]

After reading the Pro-Tools reference guide , i think it´s possible with snapshot automation together with "wrtie to all enabled"
You don´t have to touch or move the paramters? right?

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

i would really like to mix every part of a song on it´s own and just press "safe actual mixer setup", than mix part 2 and so on

I'm sure all DAWs can do this. I use SONAR and it saves everything including plug-in automation for every parameter, Aux sends - everything.

--Ethan

[Flying_Dutchman]

sonar and protools are the only one i found,
no other sequencer seem to have a snapshot mode
i downloaded sonar web trial and try it at the moment.

the first thing i noticed, that the sonar snapshots don´t work the way i like
i tested one tack
lets say the track level is odb
than i move to bar 10 and want it to be -6db
if i do it like in the "manual" (btw, i didnt find a real manul nor is it in the web trial), the beginning of the track will also be -6db
maybe i got a stupid day....

if you could tell me how to use snapshots in cubase, it would be fantastic, but i really searched and didn´t find anything

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

lets say the track level is odb
than i move to bar 10 and want it to be -6db

I don't use Cubase so I can't help you with that. But in SONAR you use what's called Volume Envelopes. Right-click on the track and select Envelopes .. Create Track Envelope .. Volume. Then at each place you want the volume to change, double click the thin line twice where it is to change, then twice again where it is to go back down. Now you have a little trapezoid with a flat top that can be dragged up and down to change the level. Whatever levels you set, and where they change, happens every time you click Play and is saved with the project.

--Ethan

[StereoPari]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

it´s not possible in cubase.
it´s only possible for volume, if you use overwrite automation
all other paramters, like aux send level, plug-in bypass, plug-in paramters, etc. aren´t saved in the automation

i would really like to mix every part of a song on it´s own and just press "safe actual mixer setup", than mix part 2 and so on

Of course you can automate all plug-in parameters, plug-in bypass, aux send level etc in Cubase. (I'm not sure if you already knew that)

P.S. You could also try the "Save Selected Channels / Save All Mixer Settings" functions.

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Ethan Winer

I don't use Cubase so I can't help you with that. But in SONAR you use what's called Volume Envelopes. Right-click on the track and select Envelopes .. Create Track Envelope .. Volume. Then at each place you want the volume to change, double click the thin line twice where it is to change, then twice again where it is to go back down. Now you have a little trapezoid with a flat top that can be dragged up and down to change the level. Whatever levels you set, and where they change, happens every time you click Play and is saved with the project.

--Ethan

I don´t know if i seem to speak turkish, cause i´m, from poland
i got basic english/american language skills
ok, maybe i can´t say what i want because of this, and because words are written, off-line conversation, ok
i just want to say to the mix engine "store all parameters here" and than say "recall it here"... in the between i want to say "store all parameters 2 here" and "recall all parameters 2 here"
thats´s just because i understood that every part needs his own settings and if i would draw every parameter by hand i would loose my brain

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by StereoPari

Of course you can automate all plug-in parameters, plug-in bypass, aux send level etc in Cubase. (I'm not sure if you already knew that)

P.S. You could also try the "Save Selected Channels / Save All Mixer Settings" functions.

save mixer? hoe to recall in fly?
how to use routings?

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

i just want to say to the mix engine "store all parameters here" and than say "recall it here"... in the between i want to say "store all parameters 2 here" and "recall all parameters 2 here"

Okay, now I understand. I'm not aware of any DAW software that works this way, though I know only a few DAW programs. The "normal" method of mixing is to set initial volume levels, then add plug-ins as needed for compression and EQ etc, then change the levels and other parameters as the song progresses.

It sounds to me like you have a song with different sections, and some of those sections repeat later. So you want to set up the mix for a verse, and another for the chorus, then bring back the verse settings the next time the verse plays. Is that correct?

If this is what you want, one solution is to copy and paste settings. All plug-ins let you save presets. So you can save an EQ preset called Verse and another called Chorus, then recall them later where needed. It's not exactly the same as "save everything" but it's the same idea. At some point I think you'll need to just do the work to automate your mix manually. People sometimes spend days or even months tweaking the automation on a mix through a long song!

--Ethan

[JP11]

The whole point of snapshot automation is that it takes a "picture" of all settings with one press of the button, so you have a number of snapshots and you can easily automate between them...

this is something that a few people have wanted for a long time, and why most DAWs can't do this is puzzling...

I believe Nuendo finally developed some sort of snapshot automation, and I know that there is a Reaper "extension" that can take snapshots and do some sort of work around for automating between them, but it doesn't actually write the automation...not sure exactly, but I think they're still waiting for it to be done right...

it's really a simple idea...don't get why it's not standard in every DAW...

[Mike Brown]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

I don´t know if i seem to speak turkish, cause i´m, from poland
i got basic english/american language skills
ok, maybe i can´t say what i want because of this, and because words are written, off-line conversation, ok
i just want to say to the mix engine "store all parameters here" and than say "recall it here"...

Reading this, its a little more complicated in PT than JUST "Write to all Enabled Parameters"

But Punch preview mode in PT works just like this.

You only have one set of settings "loaded" into the preview at a time, but you can go back to another section and load those settings and punch them in to another part, then go back and grab the other settings and punch them in to another spot etc....

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by JP11

The whole point of snapshot automation is that it takes a "picture" of all settings with one press of the button

I feel like such an idiot! Yes, SONAR has that, but I wasn't aware because I never used it. From the Help:

A snapshot is a setting or group of settings that SONAR's controls snap to when your project reaches a certain Now Time. You set all the controls to the values you want, and then create a snapshot of these settings at a particular Now Time. This approach is useful, for example, when your project contains a variety of distinct sections and you want to make a sudden change in one or more settings between the sections.

This is exactly what the OP asked for. D'oh!

--Ethan

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Ethan Winer

I feel like such an idiot! Yes, SONAR has that, but I wasn't aware because I never used it. From the Help:

This is exactly what the OP asked for. D'oh!

--Ethan

Thanks!

It works, but not 100% cool, because it overrides the data before the snapshot, if you set the paramter first time. And it prints the snapshot to every track, there is no master snapshot track. I often work with many tracks, normally 100, off course they don´t run the whole time...
OK

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by JP11

The whole point of snapshot automation is that it takes a "picture" of all settings with one press of the button, so you have a number of snapshots and you can easily automate between them...

this is something that a few people have wanted for a long time, and why most DAWs can't do this is puzzling...

I believe Nuendo finally developed some sort of snapshot automation, and I know that there is a Reaper "extension" that can take snapshots and do some sort of work around for automating between them, but it doesn't actually write the automation...not sure exactly, but I think they're still waiting for it to be done right...

it's really a simple idea...don't get why it's not standard in every DAW...

I´l look at reaper.
I read the Nuendo manual, i don´t think that i can do this one button trick.
D8B by Mackie could this and this was very cool.
Maybe Digital Perfomer can do this, but i have no mac and can´t try.

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Mayor999

Reading this, its a little more complicated in PT than JUST "Write to all Enabled Parameters"

But Punch preview mode in PT works just like this.

You only have one set of settings "loaded" into the preview at a time, but you can go back to another section and load those settings and punch them in to another part, then go back and grab the other settings and punch them in to another spot etc....

I think this could work for me.
Grrr, if i need protools, it will be much $s,i hope i´ll find another way
Thanks!

[Radiogal]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

sonar and protools are the only one i found,
no other sequencer seem to have a snapshot mode

Digital Performer does have the Snapshot automation too!

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Radiogal

Digital Performer does have the Snapshot automation too!

ja, thanks, i have no mac...
maybe´ll try to get OSX running on PC or try an emulator

[JP11]

Originally Posted by Radiogal

Digital Performer does have the Snapshot automation too!

Can you save multiple snapshots? And switch between them instantly and automate them and so on...?

I think with Sonar, for example, you can take a single snapshot and paste it somewhere else, but that's it.

And with Samplitude, for example, you can have a number of mixer snapshots in memory, but I don't believe you can automate them in any way.

[JP11]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

maybe´ll try to get OSX running on PC or try an emulator

Is that really possible to do easily and reliably?

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by JP11

Is that really possible to do easily and reliably?

i don´t know
i read it in the net.
i´d really like to see if DP6 can do it or not.
The manual for Digital Performer is not available without the purchase of the software. Digital Performer ships with a printed manual... rrrrr