What exactly do you use your Abbey Road Plugins on?

[littlejim84]

I'm curious really here...

What would you say that each of the Abbey Road Plugs are more excellent for? What do you use them on when mixing and, maybe, even why you like for that?

Brilliance Pack:

• RS127 Rack
  
• RS127 Box
• RS135

TG 12413 Limiter:

• 1969
• 2005

TG Mastering Pack

• TG12412 Tone
• TG12414 Filter

Thank you. Just really interested what the pros use these for and why really

[daniel.mixer]

Of the Briliance Pack, the RS135 is my favorite, really... the others color the sound a little before you ever tweak anything (which can be cool, but most of the time it doesn't work for me). Vocals, electric guitars.

Mastering Pack - everything.

Compressor - vocals (limit), bass (limit), kick (compress), rooms (limit)... sometimes a whole mix, if it fits the vibe (limit)

[larry b]

I have the EMI limiters. I use them for bass and vocals a lot, among other things.

[littlejim84]

Originally Posted by daniel.mixer

Of the Briliance Pack, the RS135 is my favorite, really... the others color the sound a little before you ever tweak anything (which can be cool, but most of the time it doesn't work for me). Vocals, electric guitars.

Mastering Pack - everything.

Compressor - vocals (limit), bass (limit), kick (compress), rooms (limit)... sometimes a whole mix, if it fits the vibe (limit)

So the limiter *could* be used on a whole mix? I have a relatively light and 'squashy' tune with a nice dynamic. I mixed it at very low volumes, so I have plenty of headroom... It's a soft and warm song, maybe the limiter would be nice to squash it just a tad?

Also, I use the Sonalksis EQ, Compressor and Gate (Essentials Pack) but I was told recently that the EQ can mess with the bottom quite a bit. Is it worth using the Abbey mastering EQ instead for this type of thing? Is the abbey stuff generally (in all your opinions) good on energy heavy stuff like bass?

[daniel.mixer]

Originally Posted by littlejim84

So the limiter *could* be used on a whole mix? I have a relatively light and 'squashy' tune with a nice dynamic. I mixed it at very low volumes, so I have plenty of headroom... It's a soft and warm song, maybe the limiter would be nice to squash it just a tad?

Also, I use the Sonalksis EQ, Compressor and Gate (Essentials Pack) but I was told recently that the EQ can mess with the bottom quite a bit. Is it worth using the Abbey mastering EQ instead for this type of thing? Is the abbey stuff generally (in all your opinions) good on energy heavy stuff like bass?

Yeah, you can use limit mode on a mix... Just 'cause it's labeled "limit" mode doesn't mean it's going to act like an L2. If I remember correctly, the attack time is 80ms in limit mode, and obviously the ratio is higher (probably on the order of 6:1 or 8:1). Just make sure to tweak your release time to match the tune.

I've never been disappointed with any of the AR stuff in the LF department. The plugs aren't going to give you an overwhelming bass presence boost like a Pultec would (or maybe even the real EMI hardware), but I've never been dissatisfied with any cut or boost here. Not sure what you mean by the Sonalksis stuff messing with the bottom...

[larry b]

You can put any plug in on the master buss. There are no rules in this game. Let your ear be the judge. If it sounds good ....it is good.

That said, i tried the TG limiter on the master buss and didnt particularly like the attack/release action i was able to get with it. Maybe i didnt spend long enough tweaking it for that purpose, because i have hardware comps for that job...

I loooooove it on bass though, especially when the bass is a nice P-bass and the amp is good.

[allencollins]

the TG 2005 is great kick drum
like really great

no lie

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by allencollins

the TG 2005 is great kick drum
like really great

no lie

[gussyg2007]

I've used the TG 2005 on every single lead vocal since i bought it ,the dogs dangles ,but the CLA comps are looking to contend that title

[littlejim84]

With my Sonalksis EQ, I've been told that doing sharp notches (cut or boost) can introduce phase, and that it doesn't handle the bottom end too well.

With the Abbey Road TG Mastering Pack TG12412 Tone (or TG12414 Filter) ... Does it not introduce this sorta 'ringing phase' and do they handle the bottom end better? Would I be wise to use the TG12414 Filter for rounding off the bottom end before putting it through the Abbey Compressor/Limiter? ... When dealing with such things as double bass, or anything with lower energy, would using the TG12412 Tone be good to 'shape' the lower part of the sound into place so it gels better with other instruments in that same region (or with similar lower frequencies)? ... it seems using something like the Sonalksis EQ, in this respect, seems to 'harsh'.

? ...or am I just speaking rubbish?

[fakiekid]

TG 2005 on drum bus, tom bus, smashing room mics , bass guitar, amazingly smooth limiter with a very musical distortion! not gritty and offensive like a UAD1176

[dizzyd0420]

Simply put almost everything i master.. well almost i use UAD plugins alot more but abbey road is the shit dont doubt them that are great and going for a good price for all of them but if you save up some more money get the uad cards for real you wont regret it but also id get abbey road plugins

[hankdrummer]

tried them and wasn't impressed

[Vogon]

Originally Posted by littlejim84

[SIZE=2]With my Sonalksis EQ, I've been told that doing sharp notches (cut or boost) can introduce phase, and that it doesn't handle the bottom end too well.

"Introduce phase" is a bit of a vague a term IMO.
AFAIK:- The human ear is not sensitive to phase, as long as we don't add any of the original signal back in to a process - in which case we get cancellations: filtering.
Another time, is when we modulate the cutoff of an all-pass, the brain can percieve the shifting movement as vibrato (univibe type circuit in vib mode), but it's the "movement" we hear. Stop the modulation and we won't be able to distingush the dry from the wet sound (as long as the circuit has no colouration other than phase shift and counter-intuitively, the actual pitch of the signal will not be different).
I have seen some Hi-Fi people explaining that they hate it when certain frequencies get shifted, yet any filters will shift phase, and (I think) all amplifiers use filters.

Narrow notches will sound odd in certain situations though, they use feedback to create the hi-Q and that is a form of ringing. It should only become obtrusive when the notch is too narrow and deep though, or in the "wrong" place.
I don't have experience with the sonalksis.

[Winey]

I use the emi limiter in limit with release on 1 or 2 on a bunch of stuff. Vocal, snare, room, parallel drum bus, sometimes even on the 2-bus. I rarely use the comp mode although it's nice on bass drum. Love this compressor!

[feral frequency]

The only software compressor you can really smack and have it sound amazing still. Very musical. Any other I have tried craps out anywhere over about 5 db of reduction. Much praise here. Cant beat the price either.

[RKrizman]

Originally Posted by hankdrummer

tried them and wasn't impressed

+ 1

-r

[littlejim84]

Originally Posted by RKrizman

+ 1

-r

I'm not sure why this is useful to this thread really? I'm asking what people use them on, not if you like them or not. No offence.

[larry b]

Originally Posted by dizzyd0420

Simply put almost everything i master.. well almost i use UAD plugins alot more but abbey road is the shit dont doubt them that are great and going for a good price for all of them but if you save up some more money get the uad cards for real you wont regret it but also id get abbey road plugins

Personally im wondering how this is at all useful in this thread.

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[hankdrummer]

Originally Posted by littlejim84

I'm not sure why this is useful to this thread really? I'm asking what people use them on, not if you like them or not. No offence.

just giving my point of view. one might think reading this thread these plugins come from heaven, and are as good as the hardware versions. don't want to start the software/hardware debate, these are just tools, but i wasn't impressed, that's it.

[littlejim84]

Originally Posted by hankdrummer

just giving my point of view. one might think reading this thread these plugins come from heaven, and are as good as the hardware versions. don't want to start the software/hardware debate, these are just tools, but i wasn't impressed, that's it.

Like I say man, no offence. Could you not tell us more about why you don't like them at least? Just the sound? Did they not handle the bass to well? Did they sound shit on guitar?

[digitalM]

Acoustic guitar with a touch of RS127 Box...