Quick ?: Does Protools LE 8 have auto delay compensation?

Joemamma · 14th July 2009

Does Protools LE 8 have auto delay compensation?

FredYeah · 14th July 2009

No.

But there is a plugin available for about 50 bucks, called MellowMuse ATA. Then it will have delay compensation.

rrraaalllfff · 14th July 2009

I know lack of latency compensation has been an issue with PTLE for a really long time. Since swiching to another daw, i've stopped being up-to-date with digidesign, and was wondering if anyone knows if digi has made any official statement regarding latency compensation for LE recently. Maybe they finally acknowledged the need for it and announced it in some update? It's great that the mellomuse plug is out there.

Whitecat · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrraaalllfff

I know lack of latency compensation has been an issue with PTLE for a really long time. Since swiching to another daw, i've stopped being up-to-date with digidesign, and was wondering if anyone knows if digi has made any official statement regarding latency compensation for LE recently. Maybe they finally acknowledged the need for it and announced it in some update? It's great that the mellomuse plug is out there.

Their only words on the subject are 'we're aware of users' desire for it and it's on our radar.'

RTR · 14th July 2009

I have never needed it!!!! I send tracks out to hardware comps. and eq's and don't get delay!!! guess I'm lucky!!!

imloggedin · 14th July 2009

That is untrue. Any analog to digital conversion and digital to analog has latency. You are getting delay. Run a track with parallel compression and you will see.

imloggedin · 14th July 2009

Also if they gave it to LE users, there would be one less big reason to buy HD.

seaflux · 14th July 2009

Why is this still happening? Are there any other modern DAWs in existence that don't have delay compensation? Digi may as well say they've recognised a user desire for a master fader or insert effects. They've only just realised it's something people might want?

imloggedin · 14th July 2009

I already answered your question one post above.

RTR · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by imloggedin

That is untrue. Any analog to digital conversion and digital to analog has latency. You are getting delay. Run a track with parallel compression and you will see.

I will have to do that cuz It is not audible if there is delay..and that's all that matters to me,,sounds good!!

RTR · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by imloggedin

Also if they gave it to LE users, there would be one less big reason to buy HD.

SO there is delay in HD to if you use outboard gear...right? it's going through ad/da!!

sevendaysoff · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTR

I will have to do that cuz It is not audible if there is delay..and that's all that matters to me,,sounds good!!

yes it is audible. you just can't hear it. no luck about it. LE has no delay compensation.

baslotto · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTR

SO there is delay in HD to if you use outboard gear...right? it's going through ad/da!!

Yes there is.
that's actually one of the strongest points for the Mellowmuse ATA.

theblue1 · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTR

SO there is delay in HD to if you use outboard gear...right? it's going through ad/da!!

HD doesn't have external processing loop latency compensation like so many other DAWs? (Cubase and Sonar come immediately to mind. I guess Logic folks are still waiting on that, too, right?)

I understand the thinking that they have to hold back on features in LE to push their customers up to HD, and that HD has lower actual latencies than native systems, but any latency that's unadjusted is problematic, seems to me. (If one wants to use external HW, anyhow.)

Maybe I misunderstand...

Mr.HOLMES · 14th July 2009

I have been to an ICON demonstration last weekend and the question came up if PT LE will get Plug In Delay compensation. The answer was:

Yes they are working on this but this needs a new engine and they have two engines and both engines are going to be new including Plug In Delay compensation.

So I guess wait one or two years and you will get what you need.

Gordon · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES

I have been to an ICON demonstration last weekend and the question came up if PT LE will get Plug In Delay compensation. The answer was:

Yes they are working on this but this needs a new engine and they have two engines and both engines are going to be new including Plug In Delay compensation.

So I guess wait one or two years and you will get what you need.

Fudge, there goes my last excuse . ..

imloggedin · 14th July 2009

There is delay with hardware on HD but it is compensated for automatically if you use digidesign converters. There is no delay even using parallel compression this way.

If you use non-digidesign converters with HD then you will have to manually compensate (unless its an aurora which was specifically made to have the same delay as the digidesign converters)

theblue1 · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by imloggedin

There is delay with hardware on HD but it is compensated for automatically if you use digidesign converters. There is no delay even using parallel compression this way.

If you use non-digidesign converters with HD then you will have to manually compensate (unless its an aurora which was specifically made to have the same delay as the digidesign converters)

Ah, thanks for the info! That's definitely reassuring.

imloggedin · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by theblue1

Ah, thanks for the info! That's definitely reassuring.

Welcome

Mr.HOLMES · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon

Fudge, there goes my last excuse . ..

Sorry but the answer was clear by the avid man it will come!!!

T_R_S · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES

I have been to an ICON demonstration last weekend and the question came up if PT LE will get Plug In Delay compensation. The answer was:

Yes they are working on this but this needs a new engine and they have two engines and both engines are going to be new including Plug In Delay compensation.

So I guess wait one or two years and you will get what you need.

And Delay Compensation will come at a price like it does on HD it takes up more processing power...
Nothing is free in life.

claend · 14th July 2009

Honestly, I learnt how to get rid of delay in PT101, and don't find it that annoying...
Maybe it is cuz I've been using LE and Mpw since then, but I really don't feel so disturbed by it.

I guess it's one of those things you can't cope with once you get used to no having to deal with...

Bob Olhsson · 14th July 2009

MPW is better than most applications' automagic delay compensation because it calculates the actual delays rather than depending on plug-in developers' numbers which can be wrong.

joeydego · 14th July 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTR

I have never needed it!!!! I send tracks out to hardware comps. and eq's and don't get delay!!! guess I'm lucky!!!

bought the mellomuse plug and ditto. 99% of the time, the go to plugs I reach for generate no/very little delay anyway. Same with hardware. Nobody is going to hear a 3 sample nudge.

joeydego · 15th July 2009

3 sample nudge referring to plug ins that is. i mostly use waves stuff, and the latency on the eq's and comps are next to nothing.

14th July 2009	#1
Joemamma Lives for gear Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 666 Thread Starter	Quick ?: Does Protools LE 8 have auto delay compensation? Does Protools LE 8 have auto delay compensation?

14th July 2009	#3
rrraaalllfff Gear addict Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 319	any word from digi? I know lack of latency compensation has been an issue with PTLE for a really long time. Since swiching to another daw, i've stopped being up-to-date with digidesign, and was wondering if anyone knows if digi has made any official statement regarding latency compensation for LE recently. Maybe they finally acknowledged the need for it and announced it in some update? It's great that the mellomuse plug is out there. __________________ Ralf Es ist nicht kaputt, es klingt nur so.

14th July 2009	#15
Mr.HOLMES Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,130 2 Reviews written	I have been to an ICON demonstration last weekend and the question came up if PT LE will get Plug In Delay compensation. The answer was: Yes they are working on this but this needs a new engine and they have two engines and both engines are going to be new including Plug In Delay compensation. So I guess wait one or two years and you will get what you need. __________________ "No need to worry, it will come back to me" "Every day in every way I am getting better and better" Émile Coué

14th July 2009	#23
Bob Olhsson Motown legend Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Songwriter Gulch, Nashville TN Posts: 10,879	MPW is better than most applications' automagic delay compensation because it calculates the actual delays rather than depending on plug-in developers' numbers which can be wrong. __________________ Bob's room 615 562-4346 Georgetown Masters 615 254-3233 Music Industry 2.0 Interview

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

14th July 2009	#2
FredYeah Gear addict Joined: Dec 2008 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 494	No. But there is a plugin available for about 50 bucks, called MellowMuse ATA. Then it will have delay compensation.

14th July 2009	#5
RTR Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2009 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 4,382	I have never needed it!!!! I send tracks out to hardware comps. and eq's and don't get delay!!! guess I'm lucky!!!

14th July 2009	#6
imloggedin Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 649	That is untrue. Any analog to digital conversion and digital to analog has latency. You are getting delay. Run a track with parallel compression and you will see.

14th July 2009	#8
seaflux Gear Head Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 54	Why is this still happening? Are there any other modern DAWs in existence that don't have delay compensation? Digi may as well say they've recognised a user desire for a master fader or insert effects. They've only just realised it's something people might want?

14th July 2009	#22
claend Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2008 Location: Barcelona Posts: 906	Honestly, I learnt how to get rid of delay in PT101, and don't find it that annoying... Maybe it is cuz I've been using LE and Mpw since then, but I really don't feel so disturbed by it. I guess it's one of those things you can't cope with once you get used to no having to deal with...

15th July 2009	#25
joeydego Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 2,734	3 sample nudge referring to plug ins that is. i mostly use waves stuff, and the latency on the eq's and comps are next to nothing.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
samp 10 have auto delay compensation?	gregory	Music computers	15	7th February 2009 11:38 PM
protools delay compensation and LTC	Ameyerson	So much gear, so little time!	2	25th May 2008 06:29 AM
Digidesigns answer to auto delay compensation	JFernandez	So much gear, so little time!	38	27th March 2004 11:32 PM
Auto delay compensation- the truth behind the mist!	Renie	So much gear, so little time!	14	16th September 2003 06:31 PM
Does Logic 6.x have Auto Delay Compensation?	jeronimo	Music computers	2	23rd July 2003 06:44 PM