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Hey any of you guys know of any cool PT plug ins that do the SPX or Eventide ST pitch shift thing for some stereo spread on VOX? I'm really struggling try to get some mojo with these damn plugs!
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Waves Doubler works for me when emulating that classic dual Eventide 910 trick. Also Digidesigns DPP-1, Pitch Blender, Eventide H949 and H910 plugins. I'm sure there are more.

A short 'How to Guide' by Charles Dye and how he approaches it with the Digi DPP-1.

Dual mono H910s on a stereo Aux return would probably do the trick.

If you use something like the Waves Doubler or DPP-1 you could insert an LPF at 16k or so to take off some top end. And maybe even a low fi plugin to reduce bit depth etc. Probably help to emulate 910's which had less bandwidth. Or you could output these thru a couple of outboard SPX-90s in bypass mode to 'dumb down' the sonic quality.

I use this effect often for widening mono signals and thickening stereo ones.

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The Eventide plugs are great; they've implemented clock drifting in their designs.
And the frequency respone has been taken care of.

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right on...are the eventide plugs pricey?
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right on...are the eventide plugs pricey?
on the digi site is a list of all the plug-ins, with descriptions, prices, links, etc
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Hey thanks man..but arggh I'm on a 002 and they only make plugs for the big brother.
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Hmmm it does look like slim pickings for the pitchshifting RTAS user.

GRM tools is RTAS -Mac only though. Ultra-Tools works as Audio Suite, not very much fun I know, but I believe it is made by the guys who actually did the work on the old Eventide stuff.

There's a hardware unit -an Eventide 949 on ebay right now...
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Hey thanks man..but arggh I'm on a 002 and they only make plugs for the big brother.
Thats why I use Waves Doubler. See my previous post. It will get you going and you will get the same effect.

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Hey any of you guys know of any cool PT plug ins that do the SPX or Eventide ST pitch shift thing for some stereo spread on VOX? I'm really struggling try to get some mojo with these damn plugs!

Go out and buy an H3000.

They are pretty cheap nowadays.

Part of the sound is the converters and how hard you hit them.

This can't be replicated on the plugs.

The plugs to my ears stick out like a soar thumb.

By the way even on the newer next generation Eventide units its a problem.
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Go out and buy an H3000.

They are pretty cheap nowadays.

Part of the sound is the converters and how hard you hit them.

This can't be replicated on the plugs.

The plugs to my ears stick out like a soar thumb.

By the way even on the newer next generation Eventide units its a problem.
I have to agree about buying the real deal. Nothing can touch the hardware. Or you can run your Waves Doubler through 2 SPX-90s in bypass mode to dumb them down a bit. I also use the Digi 'lo Fi' plug to dumb them down.

The SPX-90 trick I got from Thrill.

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Go out and buy an H3000.

They are pretty cheap nowadays.

Part of the sound is the converters and how hard you hit them.

This can't be replicated on the plugs..
I'd have to agree, and I keep an H3000 around for this very reason. There really is something about the sound of that box ...

However... I do think that between Digi's "Pitch" plugin (aka DPP-1) with or without Lo-Fi .. or SoundToys PitchBlender... some form of mojo can be had in plugville with this type of effect.. It may not be the exact same sound you've grown accustomed to hearing (imprinted by years of listening to top mixers' use of the Eventide boxes)... BUT.... good sounds can be made this way, and PitchBlender in particular is pretty deep if you like fx programming..

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Go out and buy an H3000.

They are pretty cheap nowadays.

Part of the sound is the converters and how hard you hit them.

This can't be replicated on the plugs.

The plugs to my ears stick out like a soar thumb.

By the way even on the newer next generation Eventide units its a problem.
I always thought the H3000's coverters sounded like ass. Thats among many reasons why I sold my pair of H3000s and bought an H8000 (mixing) and an Eclipse (guitar rack).

Obviously, FX are a matter of personal taste.

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I always thought the H3000's coverters sounded like ass. Thats among many reasons why I sold my pair of H3000s and bought an H8000 (mixing) and an Eclipse (guitar rack).

Obviously, FX are a matter of personal taste.


They may sound like ass but they blend better in the mix.

Sometimes you need FX to poke out, sometimes you need them to blend.

In the case of the Dual H910 and micropitch shift/delay program something that blends work much better.

This is another reason the older Lexicons are so sought after.
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I always thought the H3000's coverters sounded like ass. Thats among many reasons why I sold my pair of H3000s and bought an H8000 (mixing) and an Eclipse (guitar rack).

Obviously, FX are a matter of personal taste.

i have the same setup as you "the eclipse in a gtr rack". what do you think of the eclipse? i cant stand the converters in it. they sound so dark and brittle. im clocking it with a big ben too..i do love the conveters in my h8000 and never had blending issues in a mix. i think the eclipse is going on the chopping block
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i have the same setup as you "the eclipse in a gtr rack". what do you think of the eclipse? i cant stand the converters in it. they sound so dark and brittle. im clocking it with a big ben too..i do love the conveters in my h8000 and never had blending issues in a mix. i think the eclipse is going on the chopping block

The Eclipse has different converters than the H3000.

I had it on trial and for a couple of days and sent it back.
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thanks for the posts! Looks like I'm buying an H3000.
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