If you had $20,000 and a clean slate? - Page 5

cominginsecond · 21st July 2005

What about mics?

Alexi · 21st July 2005

2 x ATM 25
1 x sm 57
1 x Audix d6
2 x gefell 930
1 x sennheiser 441
2 x oktava mk012
2 x crown pzm
1 x sm 7

klaukholm · 22nd July 2005

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username · 22nd July 2005

Okay... I'm only new to this.. so I wouldn't mind some comments on what I've picked out

I'm sure I've got some prices wrong.. I live in australia so I had to go look up what things were worth in american money.

Midas Venice 240 4k
Lynx Aurora 16 3k
Lynx AES16 700
Cubase sx 3 600
3x Senheiser MD421's 600
re20 400
ATM25 175
2x Oktava 012's 200
SM7 400
Beyer m201 200
Soundelux U195 1200
Waves Renaissance bundle 500
UAD-1 studio pack 900
Distressor 1300
leads and stands 1500
behringer 4 channel headphone amp 150
4 more me's plus extension cables 150
Tannoy reveal actives 900
Great River MP-2NV merc edition 2k
Drawmer 241 dual channel comp 950

All in all I rekon (in my extremely humble opinion) that given this setup in a great room with great musos you could make a pretty nice sounding mix.. probably abit weak in the pre amp and compressor department though I guess the pre's on the Venice arent to bad

fr0st · 26th July 2005

Assuming you have a comp.

Logic 7 w/ student discount $500
Lynx Aurora 8 $2000
Lynx AES16 $700
Dyna audio BM6a's $1700
reat River EQ1-NV/ME1-NV x2 $5200
Distressor(pair with brit mod) $2500
Waves Diamond Bundle w/ student discount $1500
Soundelux u195 $1200
Royer 122 $1500
Shure sm 57 x2 $100
Kurzweil ksp8 w/ remote & input/output $2800

Total $19,700

Then when money permits add some more mic pres and mics....

warhead · 27th July 2005

I'd refer to Fletcher's "subway" theory...haha

War

Haigbabe · 27th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaukholm

Sounds like me.
Choices made so far:
Paid for already:
DPA 4003 (3 matched) $4700
4006
4004
4012
(got an old B&K pre thrown in for free) 2400 Euros (used)

[chomp]

next round of purchases will be a small collection of schoeps cardids, wide cardoids and omnis.

This is for classical recording only

Kjetil Laukholm
(can still change my mind on all but the DPA's so peer review is appreciated)

Have you heard the Sonodore 402s?

I prefer them to the DPAs. (And Schoeps)

Best regards,

Haigbabe

klaukholm · 27th July 2005

No I have not. Please tell me more.

Kjetil

Haigbabe · 27th July 2005

Greetings.

Check here......

http://www.northstarconsult.nl/indexnorthstar.html

I like some of the DPA mics. But I find the Sonodores better and more pleasing, not to mention NO distorion or compression.

In terms of bang for buck, they are good value, but we are not talking small beer.

Haigbabe

7161 · 27th July 2005

i'd get a bloody great huge sound system!

AnthonyV · 27th July 2005

here's what I'd do assuming I already had a mac/pc:

Barefoot Minimain12's - $10,250
RealTraps Standard room kit - $1900
Cubase SX 3 - $599
Lynx AES16 - $600
Lynx Aurora 8 - $2000
Great River Mp1-NV - $1000
Sytek MPX-4a - $800
Lawson 47fet - $995
Josephson C42 x2 - $950
Royer R-121 - $1000
SM-57 x2 - $180

grand total = $20,274

Its limited but a great starting point. For $25k starting out, you could really have a nice studio these days. Very cool IMO...this was a fun and challenging exercise!

thx,
ants

u b k · 27th July 2005

soundelux e47 3500
fearn vt1 2300
api 2600 2700
merc 1968 2200
mytek 2ad 16da 3000
nicerizer 16 3000
jbl 28p 2000
tascam usb2400 1600

20,300 still need daw software, uad, cables, computer, daking eq, la2a, ns-10's, badass nylon string...

20,000, nope, can't be done, not for me. i'm done with compromising.

the cool thing is, i am well on my way to having all of the above.

gregoire
del ubik

cominginsecond · 27th July 2005

You also still need a hell of a lot more mics. Why two pres and only one mic?

chrisrulesmore · 28th July 2005

Well I'm halfway there and feel like I haven't scratched the surface so here goes...

1.) Apogee Rosetta 200 AD/DA plus wideye cables--$1670
2.) Great River ME-1NV--$1050
3.) FMR RNC1773--$185
4.) Shure SM57--$80
5.) Studio Projects C1 Condenser--$180

To this I would add...
1.) Royer 121--$1000
2.) Chandler LTD-1--$2300
3.) Universal Audio 6176-$2000
4.) Auralex Treatment--$600
5.) Great River EQ-1NV--$1500
6.) Chandler TG-2--$2130
7.) AEA R84--$1000
8.) 2 API 512C's and Lunchbox--$1700

5down1up · 28th July 2005

mac G5 + logic pro
apogee ad16 ( or something like that )
benchmark dac 1
genelec 103x
7th circle preamps

urs eqs + some cool dynamics

u b k · 28th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by cominginsecond

You also still need a hell of a lot more mics. Why two pres and only one mic?

my personal setup is just for me. occasionally i record others in my space, and borrow and rent for those occasions.

gregoire
del ubik

allbaldo · 28th July 2005

Mix cubed rig with G4 1.25 dual...about $4500.00
2 Apogee AD 8000's...about $3600.00
8 various Seventh Circle Audio pre's...$3750.00
2 Sytek 4 channel pres...$1600.00
KRK V6's...$500.00
2 RNC's...$560.00
2 DBX 160X...$500.00
Misc. Plugins...$1000.00
SM7b...$450.00
6 SM57...$450.00
D6 or D112...$200.00
2 AT Pro37r...$180.00
AT ATM25...$300.00
2 KSM 27...$560.00
BLUE Bluebird...$400.00
3 DI boxes...$110.00
2 Behringer HA4700 headphone amps...$220.00
6 pairs of AKG headphones...$400.00
Cables and stands...$1000.00

Total: $20,000.00

I record mostly rock and punk bands, and some of it I track live so I need up to 16 good inputs. This is similar to the setup I'm using now, except, well....much nicer. I could have the list above for about what I've paid for the stuff I have.

binsys · 11th August 2005

I am a new member, looking at the thread that wouldn't die, just have to post here...

Having owned a small commercial studio for about 7-8 years (now closed, we did local radio shows as well as local album production), and having tried all the cheap junk along the way, I am recently finding it hard to get just from the 1st mic to the 1st recorder channel for under $10k in my home studio:

Lawson L47MP MKII - $2000.00
TL Audio Tube Tracker- $3000.00 (used)
Tube Tech Comp/Limiter (the big one, whatever) - $3000.00
Mytek Wrk 24 X 2 - $2000.00 (old school 48khz)

(ouch, there's the first ten...)

PT Mix 24 / Cubed in old Mac 9600 hopped up to 700mhz G4 w/ extra plugs (bought most new) - $15000.00

(ouch, ouch, over the limit by $5K before mixer/router, patching, accessories, cable, outboard)

Extra SCSI drives for the Mac - $1000.00
Distressor - $1400
Transient Designer 2 - $500.00
PT Slave Driver, ADAT Bridge, extra interfaces for digital connections - $1500.00 Clock distributor - $500.00
Lexicon PCM 80 - $1000.00 (bought it new)
Finalizer 96K - $900.00 (??)
Rebuilt Fostex G24S 24 track analog deck - $3000.00
Used Panasonic DA7 for patching everything possible into digtal once it's there - $1500.00 (minimize conversions wherever possible, have good converters to use analog outboard at mixdown).

That puts me at $34,800 without counting the other mics, guitars and guitar pedals and equipment (try that some time - easy $10K just on 2-3 decent guitars and a quality guitar amp), sampler, synthesizers, drum machines, MIDI laptop, room EQ, crossover, monitors and subwoofer, acoustic treatment, Midi Interfaces / Cables / Patch bays, tape, backup system, furniture, blah, blah, blah....

And to think I have been viewing this as a stripped down system with just what is needed to make a decent recording, not even really that high end on the mic pre's...

(ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch....)

- h.

AlexLakis · 17th August 2005

Mac G5: $3000
HD2|Accel: $10,000
96i: $1,950
Control|24: $5,000

With the remaining $50, I'd buy candles, beef jerky, and rolling papers...oh, and some gold records to put on the walls...

scad_wilson · 18th August 2005

It seems like a lot of people would dump over half of the 20K budget into a ProTools HD system. I'd much rather invest into a good analog console that won't be out of date as soon as Digidesign decides to release a new ProTools system. I do think it would be a good idea, however, to have one of the cheaper ProTools systems simply for compatibility and marketing purposes. After all, for better or worse, it has become a modern standard in music recording. With that in mind I gave this whole 20K start-from-scratch thing a shot with the intent of creating a full system that could be used for recording whole bands and stuff, not just a few pieces of top-quality gear for home recording.

MCI JH-636 console 3.5K
MCI JH-16 2" 16-Track 2.5K
Mac G4/Digi 001 1.5K
Dynaudio BM6's w/ Amp 1K
Kurzweil KSP-8 2.5K
T.C. Electronic M-One XL 400
Sytek MPX-4aii 800
Groove Tubes Brick 350
FMR Audio RNC (2) 350
ART Pro VLA 300
Symetrix 501 200
JBL/Urei 7110 (2) 500
dbx 242 EQ's (2) 200
ADK TT 1.1K
Soundelux U195 1.1K
AEA R84 1K
Groove Tubes GT-44 (2) 400
Josephson C42 (2) 900
Studio Projects B1 (3) 300
Peavey 520i 200
Sennheiser 421 300
Sennheiser e609s (3) 300
Shure SM-57 80
Behringer Headphone Amp 120
MoreMe Headphones (5) 100

So if I added everything up right, that's 20K, although I didn't actually include stands, cabling, etc. I definately had to cut corners in some places where I could get away with it, such as mic pre's and eq's which can be covered by the console until it is possible to upgrade to some nice outboard units. Other areas that would get the first upgrades would be more effects and dynamic microphones, followed by maybe a distressor or 1176.

AlexLakis · 18th August 2005

Out of date? When did the MCI come out, like 1978? Get with the times, man!

scad_wilson · 19th August 2005

Exactly my point - the MCI did come out a long time ago and it's still a very good-sounding and usable console and still will be in 10 years. How much business will an outdated ProTools system get you in 10 years when every other studio has upgraded to Digidesign's latest and greatest creation? Just for the record though, I don't want to turn this into the great analog/digital debate. In fact, I think ProTools is a great tool to have. I'm only saying that in the hypothetical $20K studio, it doesn't make sense to me to blow over half the budget on a high-end ProTools system. Sure ProTools HD makes sense for a big-budget major studio that can afford to upgrade every time Digidesign releases a new wave of ProTools. But for the low-budget operations, I'd much rather invest in something that will last. Anyway, all this is only my opinion and I don't want to change the subject of the thread, so everybody back to your 20K masterpieces.

AlexLakis · 19th August 2005

I hear ya, bro. It's scary to think what the future holds for recording systems in general. I mean, as of now, I can't imagine EVER needing anything more than HD3 and a 192. Then again, when the Sega 32X video game system came out I remember saying "Whoa, this is it...Graphics can't get any better than this..." I guess the only reason for needing anything more would be more realistic sounding, DSP intensive plug-ins. We'll see. Sorry for getting off topic here.

28th July 2005	#137
allbaldo Gear maniac Joined: May 2004 Location: Tulsa Posts: 234	Mix cubed rig with G4 1.25 dual...about $4500.00 2 Apogee AD 8000's...about $3600.00 8 various Seventh Circle Audio pre's...$3750.00 2 Sytek 4 channel pres...$1600.00 KRK V6's...$500.00 2 RNC's...$560.00 2 DBX 160X...$500.00 Misc. Plugins...$1000.00 SM7b...$450.00 6 SM57...$450.00 D6 or D112...$200.00 2 AT Pro37r...$180.00 AT ATM25...$300.00 2 KSM 27...$560.00 BLUE Bluebird...$400.00 3 DI boxes...$110.00 2 Behringer HA4700 headphone amps...$220.00 6 pairs of AKG headphones...$400.00 Cables and stands...$1000.00 Total: $20,000.00 I record mostly rock and punk bands, and some of it I track live so I need up to 16 good inputs. This is similar to the setup I'm using now, except, well....much nicer. I could have the list above for about what I've paid for the stuff I have. __________________ http://stephenegerton.com

11th August 2005	#138
binsys Gear nut Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 77	Wow... I am a new member, looking at the thread that wouldn't die, just have to post here... Having owned a small commercial studio for about 7-8 years (now closed, we did local radio shows as well as local album production), and having tried all the cheap junk along the way, I am recently finding it hard to get just from the 1st mic to the 1st recorder channel for under $10k in my home studio: Lawson L47MP MKII - $2000.00 TL Audio Tube Tracker- $3000.00 (used) Tube Tech Comp/Limiter (the big one, whatever) - $3000.00 Mytek Wrk 24 X 2 - $2000.00 (old school 48khz) (ouch, there's the first ten...) PT Mix 24 / Cubed in old Mac 9600 hopped up to 700mhz G4 w/ extra plugs (bought most new) - $15000.00 (ouch, ouch, over the limit by $5K before mixer/router, patching, accessories, cable, outboard) Extra SCSI drives for the Mac - $1000.00 Distressor - $1400 Transient Designer 2 - $500.00 PT Slave Driver, ADAT Bridge, extra interfaces for digital connections - $1500.00 Clock distributor - $500.00 Lexicon PCM 80 - $1000.00 (bought it new) Finalizer 96K - $900.00 (??) Rebuilt Fostex G24S 24 track analog deck - $3000.00 Used Panasonic DA7 for patching everything possible into digtal once it's there - $1500.00 (minimize conversions wherever possible, have good converters to use analog outboard at mixdown). That puts me at $34,800 without counting the other mics, guitars and guitar pedals and equipment (try that some time - easy $10K just on 2-3 decent guitars and a quality guitar amp), sampler, synthesizers, drum machines, MIDI laptop, room EQ, crossover, monitors and subwoofer, acoustic treatment, Midi Interfaces / Cables / Patch bays, tape, backup system, furniture, blah, blah, blah.... And to think I have been viewing this as a stripped down system with just what is needed to make a decent recording, not even really that high end on the mic pre's... (ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch....) - h.

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21st July 2005	#121
cominginsecond Gear maniac Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 268	What about mics?

21st July 2005	#122
Alexi Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg Posts: 1,222	2 x ATM 25 1 x sm 57 1 x Audix d6 2 x gefell 930 1 x sennheiser 441 2 x oktava mk012 2 x crown pzm 1 x sm 7

22nd July 2005	#123
klaukholm Lives for gear Joined: May 2005 Location: EU Posts: 2,431	Deleted by klauholm

22nd July 2005	#124
username Gear addict Joined: Jun 2005 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 305	Okay... I'm only new to this.. so I wouldn't mind some comments on what I've picked out I'm sure I've got some prices wrong.. I live in australia so I had to go look up what things were worth in american money. Midas Venice 240 4k Lynx Aurora 16 3k Lynx AES16 700 Cubase sx 3 600 3x Senheiser MD421's 600 re20 400 ATM25 175 2x Oktava 012's 200 SM7 400 Beyer m201 200 Soundelux U195 1200 Waves Renaissance bundle 500 UAD-1 studio pack 900 Distressor 1300 leads and stands 1500 behringer 4 channel headphone amp 150 4 more me's plus extension cables 150 Tannoy reveal actives 900 Great River MP-2NV merc edition 2k Drawmer 241 dual channel comp 950 All in all I rekon (in my extremely humble opinion) that given this setup in a great room with great musos you could make a pretty nice sounding mix.. probably abit weak in the pre amp and compressor department though I guess the pre's on the Venice arent to bad

26th July 2005	#125
fr0st Gear Head Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 67	Assuming you have a comp. Logic 7 w/ student discount $500 Lynx Aurora 8 $2000 Lynx AES16 $700 Dyna audio BM6a's $1700 reat River EQ1-NV/ME1-NV x2 $5200 Distressor(pair with brit mod) $2500 Waves Diamond Bundle w/ student discount $1500 Soundelux u195 $1200 Royer 122 $1500 Shure sm 57 x2 $100 Kurzweil ksp8 w/ remote & input/output $2800 Total $19,700 Then when money permits add some more mic pres and mics....

27th July 2005	#126
warhead Jai guru deva om Joined: Feb 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 12,259	I'd refer to Fletcher's "subway" theory...haha War

27th July 2005	#128
klaukholm Lives for gear Joined: May 2005 Location: EU Posts: 2,431	No I have not. Please tell me more. Kjetil

27th July 2005	#129
Haigbabe Gear nut Joined: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 109	Greetings. Check here...... http://www.northstarconsult.nl/indexnorthstar.html I like some of the DPA mics. But I find the Sonodores better and more pleasing, not to mention NO distorion or compression. In terms of bang for buck, they are good value, but we are not talking small beer. Haigbabe

27th July 2005	#130
7161 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,096	i'd get a bloody great huge sound system!

27th July 2005	#131
AnthonyV Gear maniac Joined: Jun 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 160	here's what I'd do assuming I already had a mac/pc: Barefoot Minimain12's - $10,250 RealTraps Standard room kit - $1900 Cubase SX 3 - $599 Lynx AES16 - $600 Lynx Aurora 8 - $2000 Great River Mp1-NV - $1000 Sytek MPX-4a - $800 Lawson 47fet - $995 Josephson C42 x2 - $950 Royer R-121 - $1000 SM-57 x2 - $180 grand total = $20,274 Its limited but a great starting point. For $25k starting out, you could really have a nice studio these days. Very cool IMO...this was a fun and challenging exercise! thx, ants

27th July 2005	#132
u b k Gear Guru Joined: Oct 2004 Location: The Land of Sunshine Posts: 11,297	soundelux e47 3500 fearn vt1 2300 api 2600 2700 merc 1968 2200 mytek 2ad 16da 3000 nicerizer 16 3000 jbl 28p 2000 tascam usb2400 1600 20,300 still need daw software, uad, cables, computer, daking eq, la2a, ns-10's, badass nylon string... 20,000, nope, can't be done, not for me. i'm done with compromising. the cool thing is, i am well on my way to having all of the above. gregoire del ubik

27th July 2005	#133
cominginsecond Gear maniac Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 268	You also still need a hell of a lot more mics. Why two pres and only one mic?

28th July 2005	#134
chrisrulesmore Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 685	Well I'm halfway there and feel like I haven't scratched the surface so here goes... 1.) Apogee Rosetta 200 AD/DA plus wideye cables--$1670 2.) Great River ME-1NV--$1050 3.) FMR RNC1773--$185 4.) Shure SM57--$80 5.) Studio Projects C1 Condenser--$180 To this I would add... 1.) Royer 121--$1000 2.) Chandler LTD-1--$2300 3.) Universal Audio 6176-$2000 4.) Auralex Treatment--$600 5.) Great River EQ-1NV--$1500 6.) Chandler TG-2--$2130 7.) AEA R84--$1000 8.) 2 API 512C's and Lunchbox--$1700

28th July 2005	#135
5down1up Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 2,006	mac G5 + logic pro apogee ad16 ( or something like that ) benchmark dac 1 genelec 103x 7th circle preamps urs eqs + some cool dynamics

17th August 2005	#139
AlexLakis Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Annapolis, MD/Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,631	Mac G5: $3000 HD2\|Accel: $10,000 96i: $1,950 Control\|24: $5,000 With the remaining $50, I'd buy candles, beef jerky, and rolling papers...oh, and some gold records to put on the walls...

18th August 2005	#140
scad_wilson Gear interested Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 7	It seems like a lot of people would dump over half of the 20K budget into a ProTools HD system. I'd much rather invest into a good analog console that won't be out of date as soon as Digidesign decides to release a new ProTools system. I do think it would be a good idea, however, to have one of the cheaper ProTools systems simply for compatibility and marketing purposes. After all, for better or worse, it has become a modern standard in music recording. With that in mind I gave this whole 20K start-from-scratch thing a shot with the intent of creating a full system that could be used for recording whole bands and stuff, not just a few pieces of top-quality gear for home recording. MCI JH-636 console 3.5K MCI JH-16 2" 16-Track 2.5K Mac G4/Digi 001 1.5K Dynaudio BM6's w/ Amp 1K Kurzweil KSP-8 2.5K T.C. Electronic M-One XL 400 Sytek MPX-4aii 800 Groove Tubes Brick 350 FMR Audio RNC (2) 350 ART Pro VLA 300 Symetrix 501 200 JBL/Urei 7110 (2) 500 dbx 242 EQ's (2) 200 ADK TT 1.1K Soundelux U195 1.1K AEA R84 1K Groove Tubes GT-44 (2) 400 Josephson C42 (2) 900 Studio Projects B1 (3) 300 Peavey 520i 200 Sennheiser 421 300 Sennheiser e609s (3) 300 Shure SM-57 80 Behringer Headphone Amp 120 MoreMe Headphones (5) 100 So if I added everything up right, that's 20K, although I didn't actually include stands, cabling, etc. I definately had to cut corners in some places where I could get away with it, such as mic pre's and eq's which can be covered by the console until it is possible to upgrade to some nice outboard units. Other areas that would get the first upgrades would be more effects and dynamic microphones, followed by maybe a distressor or 1176.

18th August 2005	#141
AlexLakis Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Annapolis, MD/Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,631	Out of date? When did the MCI come out, like 1978? Get with the times, man!

19th August 2005	#142
scad_wilson Gear interested Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 7	Exactly my point - the MCI did come out a long time ago and it's still a very good-sounding and usable console and still will be in 10 years. How much business will an outdated ProTools system get you in 10 years when every other studio has upgraded to Digidesign's latest and greatest creation? Just for the record though, I don't want to turn this into the great analog/digital debate. In fact, I think ProTools is a great tool to have. I'm only saying that in the hypothetical $20K studio, it doesn't make sense to me to blow over half the budget on a high-end ProTools system. Sure ProTools HD makes sense for a big-budget major studio that can afford to upgrade every time Digidesign releases a new wave of ProTools. But for the low-budget operations, I'd much rather invest in something that will last. Anyway, all this is only my opinion and I don't want to change the subject of the thread, so everybody back to your 20K masterpieces.

19th August 2005	#143
AlexLakis Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Annapolis, MD/Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,631	I hear ya, bro. It's scary to think what the future holds for recording systems in general. I mean, as of now, I can't imagine EVER needing anything more than HD3 and a 192. Then again, when the Sega 32X video game system came out I remember saying "Whoa, this is it...Graphics can't get any better than this..." I guess the only reason for needing anything more would be more realistic sounding, DSP intensive plug-ins. We'll see. Sorry for getting off topic here.