Best Reverb Plug for PT

[Mozart]

So far, Revibe works the best for me, I lliked a lot Lexiverb back on MIX OS9....

[phunkyt]

I still have OS9 and love the lexiverb...

[absrec]

Originally Posted by phunkyt

I still have OS9 and love the lexiverb...

Me too. I love Lexiverb. Also the TC Megaverb is pretty outstanding. I've heard great things about Waves Renissance reverb, but I don't think I'm hearing what they're hearing. It doesn't sound much better than D-Verb to me.

BTW, the trick to D-Verb is to gate snares into it. Also put an EQ after it or even before it. Change what it is hearing. It makes a world of difference.

[pigpen]

Cool, I am on OS9 as well...use the Lexi too. I, unlike most, dig the D-Verb. Thought I was crazy until I read an article with Neal Pogue and he said he uses it religiously. I don't really dig the Waves verbs too much either.

What else we got?

[junior]

how about waves ir1 and eventide 2016?

[Dragonfly]

I'm using Trueverb more and more lately. I use Altiverb pretty heavily, and I'm thinking of picking up IR1 as well.

Dante

[Rezman]

Sony Oxford Reverb and Altiverb.

Both cool and easy to find good settings.

[cfjis]

Originally Posted by Rezman

Sony Oxford Reverb and Altiverb.

Both cool and easy to find good settings.

Agreed... they are my go-to 'verb plugs.

[Shan]

I thought I was the only one but Sony Oxford Reverb here also. They are finally porting it over to the TC Powercore also. thumbsup

Shane

[Aearth]

TL Space
At first when I loaded the demo I was not too sure if I should buy the real deal or something else. I took the chance and bought the full version of TL Space and downloaded the whole library.....it was definately the right choice, especially the digital verbs and the plates.
Try the demo first, but you will need PT HD and doesn't have to be an Accel version.


Nick

[littledoodler]

altivrb

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by junior

how about waves ir1 and eventide 2016?

I'm using the IR-1 pretty much exclusively.

The first plugin reverb that made me turn off my hardware ones.

I haven't tried the Eventide or Oxford yet.

[PlanB]

What works for me:

- TL Space (excellent, even though it eats 4 Accel chips for no latency operation - worth it) Download the freeware IRs like the Lex 480 and TC 6000 impulses, nice... ALso if you have Logic, you can import the Space Designer IRs

- Revibe (a very pleasant surprise, this reverb is really great)

- Reverb One (still used sometimes)

But me too, I do miss Lexiverb dearly.

[Kingtone]

Im loving TL Space too.
great rooms and spaces.

[Ruudman]

I've made some presets with Reverb One that's something special thumbsup
TL Space
Princeton (both)

ruudman

[junior]

Originally Posted by PlanB

ALso if you have Logic, you can import the Space Designer IRs

fwiw, i listened to a lot of the space designer ir's and thought they sounded pretty bad - kinda murky sounding. i think the free noisevault ir's sound so much better...

as far as convolution verbs go, ir1 has the best sounding library, imo

[mac black]

Eventide reverb is my favorite at the moment.

[phunkyt]

Originally Posted by Ruudman

I've made some presets with Reverb One that's something special thumbsup
TL Space
Princeton (both)

ruudman

Hey Ruud....

Care to share some of those presets?
Tim

[gwailoh]

Originally Posted by Kingtone

Im loving TL Space too.
great rooms and spaces.

I've just been checking out the TL Space demo and am finding it not so useful. The verbs are dense but aside from the EMT IR they're dark, they don't seem to take to eq super well, and they're lacking something in the stereo image, including the Long True Stereo version of the plugin. They seem to be especially lacking on bright sources such as high hat. There's a grainy, grungy quality that's not working for me. I was expecting to be more impressed than I am. Does the full package improve upon the limited IR selections available in the demo? In particular, are there good, full-sounding, tweakable short spaces?

A little to my own surprise I'm finding that ReVibe leads the evaluation pack. Seems to be denser, wider, deeper, and more easily tweakable than TL Space, the Oxford, or the other Digi verbs. I've just spent the weekend bashing on these demos and I wasn't expecting this result.

[Ruudman]

What's your favorite dinner, is your favorite dinner.
Nothing wrong with that.


ruudman

[max cooper]

Originally Posted by junior

how about waves ir1 and eventide 2016?

I dig the hardware 2016 a lot; they haven't ported the plugin to RTAS (it's TDM only) so I haven't been able to try it (as I actually run "Amateur Tools", also known as Pro Tools LE.) In case you're looking for TDM plugins, they also have a plugin version of the Ursa Major Space Station. If the plugin has any of the vibe of the old hardware
Space Station, that would almost be reason enough to upgrade from PTLE, to me.

I've been using the UAD EMT 140 even though it's a total pain to use UAD plugins in RTAS. I also use D-Verb more than I used to (nice to see D-Verb users coming out of the closet; now maybe more people will admit that they use the ugly little Compressor II that comes in the Digirack. )

Finally, there's Altiverb. I was hesitant to try it because it seemed a bit 'high tech' and I'm something of a luddite as far as reverbs go. Before the EMT emulation, I rarely used any. I really didn't want to like Altiverb, for some dumb reason, but dangit, it sounds really good. What turns me off about a lot of digital reverb is that it often sounds less like 'reverberation' as like some kind of sheen-y noise mucking up the track. But I've been able to get Altiverb to make some really tight, fat and warm sounds. I put some on a drumkit that was recorded in a dead, small room and it gave it real weight in the way that a good room can and a reverb usually can't. I know this is starting to sound like an advertisment, but it really does the job.

[gwailoh]

Originally Posted by max cooper

I dig the hardware 2016 a lot; they haven't ported the plugin to RTAS (it's TDM only) so I haven't been able to try it (as I actually run "Amateur Tools", also known as Pro Tools LE.)

What's the relationship between the Eventide Reverb plugin and their 2016 hardware unit? Same algorithms?

[Ruudman]

Originally Posted by gwailoh

What's the relationship between the Eventide Reverb plugin and their 2016 hardware unit? Same algorithms?

Eventide Reverb is Orville algo's


ruudman

[Mind-Over-Midi]

Originally Posted by max cooper

I've been using the UAD EMT 140 even though it's a total pain to use UAD plugins in RTAS.

Could you elaborate a little? I'm about to buy the wrapper and do the UAD/RTAS thingy. What are some of the problems you are experiencing?

Thanks,

Bill.

[Shan]

Originally Posted by max cooper

I dig the hardware 2016 a lot; they haven't ported the plugin to RTAS (it's TDM only) so I haven't been able to try it

Hey Max, I was looking at a 2016 hardware purchase myself. How's this been working out for you?

I'm kinda in an anti-plugin phase so I'm gradually replacing my ITB sends with OTB sends. Takes a big load off of the CPU also since I am host based like yourself.

I'm still diggin the Sony Oxford Reverb though. They will be porting it to PoCo soon which is good news for us host based guys.

Shane

[max cooper]

Originally Posted by Mind-Over-Midi

Could you elaborate a little? I'm about to buy the wrapper and do the UAD/RTAS thingy. What are some of the problems you are experiencing?

Thanks,

Bill.

Well, there's the thing about the latency, which means that in RTAS you can't have the UAD plugins engaged while tracking. But UAD reverbs have a special problem with RTAS.

With compressors and EQ's, you put one on a track and compensate with the Delay Compensation plugin; straightforward and works great. The compensation plugins don't cost any CPU according to UA.

But with reverbs, it's like this; (and this is true only when using a reverb bus, which is the only way I use them; it doesn't apply to putting a reverb on the track you want to effect, as if it were any other plugin.) You have the original track; say a vocal. Then a reverb bus with a UAD reverb plugin on it. The 'verb bus has latency, so you should compensate the original vocal track for that latency, right? Only problem is that the signal you're sending the reverb bus is now late due to the delay compensation. You can verify this by putting a reverb plugin on a bus and setting it to 100% dry.


The only solution is to mult. You have to set the original vocal track to 'no output' or mute it, then bring it up in another aux trak; that will be the dry vocal that you'll hear. Then you set up your reverb bus as usual, but don't send the signal from the Aux to the reverb; use a send from the original track to get it there, otherwise you'll have defeated the purpose of the mult. The reverb bus gives you the 'reverberated' signal with latency due to the plugin. The dry auxiliary vocal track now needs a delay compensation plugin set to '1 plugin' (the UAD plugins all have the same latency; the delay compensation plugins work in multiples of plugins, except for the Pultec Pro which delays: "one plugin and thirteen samples", or is it eighteen? I'd have to look.)

Since there's no processing cost in PTLE for using an extra bus, all you've done is use up one of the sixteen busses. It sounds like a pain, but I don't really notice it anymore.

Weirdly, I've never seen anyone refer to this. Could be that people don't use 'verb busses as much as I think; also could be that they're hearing the reverb effect with the delay caused by the 'verb plugin and not noticing that it's not part of the effect. If you're using UAD's in RTAS, and you're running a 'verb bus without doing this, you're adding delay to the reverb.

There'll be a test on this later.

So should you buy a UAD card if you're using RTAS? I think so. I sure wouldn't want to NOT have the Fairchild, the 1176, the LA2A, the EMT and the Precision Limiter.

In fact, I have two UAD cards. Incedentally, it would be better for us RTAS users who have fast systems to have RTAS native versions of the UAD plugins; I think the PCI ones hit the cpu harder than my native RTAS plugs.

[max cooper]

Originally Posted by Shan

Hey Max, I was looking at a 2016 hardware purchase myself. How's this been working out for you?

I'm kinda in an anti-plugin phase so I'm gradually replacing my ITB sends with OTB sends. Takes a big load off of the CPU also since I am host based like yourself.

I'm still diggin the Sony Oxford Reverb though. They will be porting it to PoCo soon which is good news for us host based guys.

Shane

I don't own the 2016; but there's one that I get to use fairly often. I really like it. I think, though, that if I were gonna buy a hardware reverb, I'd have to consider the Ursa Major Space Station; there's a cool version that's built into a controller box. William Wittman reviewed it in, I think, EQ. Check google for that, cause it's online somewhere. Anyway, if you like that sorta thing. Otherwise, I really like the 2016. A lot.