The absolute warmest recording I've ever heard

[steelyfan]

Originally Posted by unit7

Ouch, you're mean! I want stories!

Me too! Out with it.

[unit7]

Originally Posted by steelyfan

O.k.
I've been out all weekend.
Just pulled out the record, o.k lets see, here it is:

Recorded in 1975 at Tonstudio Bauer, Ludwigsburg
Engineered : Martin Wieland
Produced by : Manfred Eicher

Now I'm curious to find more stuff from these two guys working together.
Particularly at the same studio this one was done at.
I wonder if they picked their own projects?

steely

Great, thx steely.

[Julien]

Probably one of the warmest recording I have ever heard. Beautiful thru and thru.

[steelyfan]

Originally Posted by Julien

Probably one of the warmest recording I have ever heard. Beautiful thru and thru.

I bet!
You can tell by the albulm cover it sounds good! lol! Love that guy.
I used to listen to this one alot.



cool record.
Steelyfan

[Geese]

Originally Posted by steelyfan

Strangely enough, I don't know who Collin Walcott is.

steelyfan

Not unusual. He was killed in a car accident over 25 year ago and somewhat unsung. He was also in Oregon with Ralph Towner and on Miles Davis' "On The Corner". I actually bought the two records at the same time right when they came out... not really knowing much about either. The Cloud Dance LP sounds like disc 2 (or 1) of the Gateway record. Cut with the exact same vibe and spirit probably on the very same day. I'm with you on Gateway, I've long preferred it over "Timeless". I think you will just love Cloud Dance. Walcott's unique folk-like sitar playing added to the trio's spatial style gives the record a majestic quality unlike anything I've ever heard.

[Rich Pell]

If you like Ambercrombies Gateway.. you should hear his best Album.." M " ..i think i wore that one out.. and sonically superb . thumbsup

[Teddy Ray]

oh and of course the

A meeting by the river

from Waterlily

recorded with all custom made tube microphones, custom made tube mixer, and custom made analogue tape machine (with custom meterboard!!!) by Tim de Paravincini

also..this one was made the same way..

also... Opus 3's Spirit and the Blues made with a lone AKG c24 through a custom made Vacuum Tube mixer(fixed pan, 3ch) again, into a custom modded tape machine.

[steelyfan]

Originally Posted by Geese

Not unusual. He was killed in a car accident over 25 year ago and somewhat unsung. He was also in Oregon with Ralph Towner and on Miles Davis' "On The Corner". I actually bought the two records at the same time right when they came out... not really knowing much about either. The Cloud Dance LP sounds like disc 2 (or 1) of the Gateway record. Cut with the exact same vibe and spirit probably on the very same day. I'm with you on Gateway, I've long preferred it over "Timeless". I think you will just love Cloud Dance. Walcott's unique folk-like sitar playing added to the trio's spatial style gives the record a majestic quality unlike anything I've ever heard.

"on the Corner", man that's some evil stuff, I mean yea it's some funky/experimental groove, loop style stuff, but there is something even more uncomfortable about that record than "Bitches Brew" or some other of Miles' stuff, I like it for it's strangeness.

Disc 2, huhh? I really like your description and line of thinking, I also like the word majestic alot and that "rennaisance" / mystical feeling of music is quickly becoming a thing of the past. Come to think of it, i'm trying to get my recordings sounding like "GATEWAY", friends will say that what I have done in the past sounds more "HI-FI", but I think once you get to a point, you can make a great sounding record with what you've got, but does it have the "magic, does it have the sound of ancient velvet drapes soaking up an overhead mic, can you smell the wood of the recording environment, is there an ashtray sitting on the mixing board, does the console have a smell of energy after 6 hours, is only natural light illuminating the recording space for a 5:30 a.m. session," all that stuff might sound silly to most, but i like to think I can hear that stuff in these old recordings. These things are more important to me than making an albulm sound like "AJA", with digital, you 're half way there already IMOP.
Anyhow, thanks for the Heads up, I'm going to look for this "disc 2" he.he.

Geese, let me ask you. What's the type of recording sound do you shot for?

Steelyfan

[steelyfan]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

oh and of course the

A meeting by the river

from Waterlily

recorded with all custom made tube microphones, custom made tube mixer, and custom made analogue tape machine (with custom meterboard!!!) by Tim de Paravincini

also..this one was made the same way..

also... Opus 3's Spirit and the Blues made with a lone AKG c24 through a custom made Vacuum Tube mixer(fixed pan, 3ch) again, into a custom modded tape machine.

Interesting looking stuff. I'll keep my eyes peeled.

O.k, let me ask you guys this:

Will you ever try a make records that sound like these, or do you feel that
that sound is not marketable anymore,and would seem poorly done by radio listeners. Because the quality and fidelity IS THERE, it just doesn't jump out at you like newer production records.

But if you really liked the sound of these albulms we are all throwing up as examples, would you make one for yourself and hope/expect people to eventually get it? Or are you guys already using these records as a sorta of blue print for how you want your stuff to sound already. If you do this for a living, I probablly already know the answer. Sign of the times, ya know.

O.k. let's do this. For your next record, what would you shoot for as an example of how you would want it to sound. Using only these examples.

A> the Dan's "AJA"
b> "GAteway"
C> "Dave Mathews" (any albulm, they all sound the same)
d> :Beefheart's "safe as milk"
e> The Killers- (any albulm)
f> The Police (any albulm)

Don't pick your favorite artist, but recording style.

Steelyfan

[dkelley]

Originally Posted by steelyfan

No BS. This is in my opinion a perfect recording.
I have it on vinyl, have played it to friends who have then gone out
to buy a record player to start collecting records. This albulm is a mystery solver and tutorial that answers ALOT of questions in our industry.

1>Fidelity- wow, I mean damn. It's not over produced, you can hear the tone of every instrument clearly.

2> Warm - yea yea, catch phase. BS! If you want to know the real meaning of the word in the music world, PLEASE listen to this.

3> engineering - so simple.....the right room, the right gear, the right guys, the performance. All up front going in. ALL front end if i had to guess, I'm sure some simple compression towards the mastering.

4>This albulm will convert ALL people who listen to it who can't hear the difference between vinyl vs. cd. Analog vs. digital (that's not the point of this thread though..Please do not make it.)

5> yes, it does sound like "an older style of recording", but lets talk about
that. All a matter of taste I guess, but man, you can turn it up loud and listen for "HOURS", and still have your hearing.

I can think of other stuff to add, but I'm trying not to get carried away.

Just wanted to share,

Steelyfan

If you can find it. Buy it.



GATEWAY
John Abercrombie - Jack Dejohnette - Dave Holland

a friend of mine had that album.... I have great memories of it.

of course the fact that it's some of the world's greatest players helps a LOT

Don

[Geese]

Originally Posted by steelyfan

"on the Corner", man that's some evil stuff, I mean yea it's some funky/experimental groove, loop style stuff, but there is something even more uncomfortable about that record than "Bitches Brew" or some other of Miles' stuff, I like it for it's strangeness.

I once heard "On The Corner" described as "confrontational"....

Originally Posted by steelyfan

"Disc 2, huhh? I really like your description and line of thinking, I also like the word majestic alot and that "rennaisance" / mystical feeling of music is quickly becoming a thing of the past. Come to think of it, i'm trying to get my recordings sounding like "GATEWAY", friends will say that what I have done in the past sounds more "HI-FI", but I think once you get to a point, you can make a great sounding record with what you've got, but does it have the "magic, does it have the sound of ancient velvet drapes soaking up an overhead mic, can you smell the wood of the recording environment, is there an ashtray sitting on the mixing board, does the console have a smell of energy after 6 hours, is only natural light illuminating the recording space for a 5:30 a.m. session," all that stuff might sound silly to most, but i like to think I can hear that stuff in these old recordings. These things are more important to me than making an albulm sound like "AJA", with digital, you 're half way there already IMOP.
Anyhow, thanks for the Heads up, I'm going to look for this "disc 2" he.he.

Geese, let me ask you. What's the type of recording sound do you shot for?

Steelyfan

You can certainly raise a lot of eyebrows with that kind of talk. I personally believe that when the spirit of music itself shows up in it's pure, organic form, something like you say happens that creates an actual place for the willing listener to go.

[steelyfan]

Thanks Geese, I'm glad I'm not alone on this one. Makes me think the rest of the world just doesn't get it, or care, or am I the crazy one? LOL!

Isn't anyone going to submit their production preference from the above list? Come on gang, don't quit now, In todays time and age, with current trends and whatnot, what's your production taste? Would you dare make a record that sounds vintage knowing todays market probablly wouldn't go for? Do you have more integrity than that? Or do you think for what you do, modern recording techniques make enough sense for you as is, and is
just more practical in theory?

steely

[PlugHead]

Originally Posted by dkelley

of course the fact that it's some of the world's greatest players helps a LOT

Don

Exactly. You could record those guys thru a dixie cup and string and it'd still be amazing.

A concept we often forget is the value of GREAT musicians and what they bring to the table for evoking a sound out of their instruments. Recording is merely one aspect to what is presented by the masters of their instrument.