vocalign - yes or no?

dharma one · 7th August 2005

it does make raps tighter but i think also takes some life away.. whats your take on it?

nukmusic · 7th August 2005

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Originally Posted by dharma one

it does make raps tighter but i think also takes some life away.. whats your take on it?

I hand edit all ad-libs sometimes using the TCE plugin

Full Clip Audio · 7th August 2005

For backup vocals that will be low in the mix anyway I say hell yes!! If it is an obivous edit that can be done by nudging and the tCE then I wont but otherwise its all good.

sup Dharma, I had a feeling you might visit this site

Ruudman · 7th August 2005

I use it often, but always with caution.
Less is more.

ruudman

BTW, it's awsome on what it does thumbsup

theblue1 · 7th August 2005

I haven't been familiar with it, but it looks like a great tool for certain types of production, voiceover, post, etc.

I don't know what its finesse level is, but having done a fair bit of hand editing of various types of raps and vocals, as well as other musical parts, I have to say that rhythm-oriented editing can be very tricky. (Now, aligning vocal parts might be a little better/easier since you would presumably use one part as the 'master' and 'slave' the others to it.)

All too often, in my experience, fixing the timing of one part can make the rest of the part seem wrong... you end up redoing every syllable/lick... and then the whole thing sounds wrong, stilted, awkward... wrong.

Particularly in rap, where idiosyncratic timing and hard-to-notate syncopation is so prevalent (at least in the most intersting performers), it's hard for me to imagine using something like this for lead parts. (But then, maybe that was never the point?)

dharma one · 7th August 2005

sup full clip! heard u had a good session with leroy and kay!

yeah theblue1 i wouldnt touch the timing on the lead.. like you said this ones got master and slave so its used to align backing vocals to each other

whats TCE? tc electronics?

Full Clip Audio · 8th August 2005

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Originally Posted by dharma one

sup full clip! heard u had a good session with leroy and kay!

yeah theblue1 i wouldnt touch the timing on the lead.. like you said this ones got master and slave so its used to align backing vocals to each other

whats TCE? tc electronics?

Yeah man! The session was soo good that I actually have been buying new gear for the next time she comes (well not just for her but its a good excuse).
I'm going to try sending the vocals we already recorded through the 6176 and see what happens.

The TCE is pro tools time compression/expansion function. It works just like slip editing and is pretty bad ass.

BobbyPeru · 8th August 2005

Vocalign is amazing. I was hesitant about picking it up, then I was doing this goth-metal band where the singer does this double/triple track talk-growl-thing. It saved ass loads of time and the vocals are really tight.

Seems like it would be good on pop-punk type shit too.

Just download a demo, that's what I did. I liked it so, I'll probably buy it. I'm curious about the new Anatares vocal plugin where you can get a doubled vocal sound without doubling....

Bobby Peru
Milwaukee, WI

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theblue1 Gear Guru Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 15,099	I haven't been familiar with it, but it looks like a great tool for certain types of production, voiceover, post, etc. I don't know what its finesse level is, but having done a fair bit of hand editing of various types of raps and vocals, as well as other musical parts, I have to say that rhythm-oriented editing can be very tricky. (Now, aligning vocal parts might be a little better/easier since you would presumably use one part as the 'master' and 'slave' the others to it.) All too often, in my experience, fixing the timing of one part can make the rest of the part seem wrong... you end up redoing every syllable/lick... and then the whole thing sounds wrong, stilted, awkward... wrong. Particularly in rap, where idiosyncratic timing and hard-to-notate syncopation is so prevalent (at least in the most intersting performers), it's hard for me to imagine using something like this for lead parts. (But then, maybe that was never the point?)

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BobbyPeru Gear addict Joined: Aug 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 404	Vocalign is amazing. I was hesitant about picking it up, then I was doing this goth-metal band where the singer does this double/triple track talk-growl-thing. It saved ass loads of time and the vocals are really tight. Seems like it would be good on pop-punk type shit too. Just download a demo, that's what I did. I liked it so, I'll probably buy it. I'm curious about the new Anatares vocal plugin where you can get a doubled vocal sound without doubling.... Bobby Peru Milwaukee, WI