Allen & Heath Zed GSR24

[djmukilteo]

Originally Posted by cavern

Hey i see your still enjoying the r-16,so am i.

To me the r-16 doesn't look like a toy compared to the gsr-24.
In fact,there's no argument from anyone that they would not both sound the same.
Same pres,same converters,same circuitry,same knobs ect.
But you do get more functionality.
Motorized faders
Tube channels
Meter bridge
8 extra channels
Sub groups

I would have jumped in at around $6500 with no motorized faders.

Yo Cavern:
No the ZED is certainly no toy...LOL....just in scale!
I still think of it as the little brother or sibling!
Actually my ZED now resides at my buddies studio where we are using it constantly and he is now the proud owner. For him having the ZED and me there to help setup and getting everything fully used and running was truly a win/win situation for both of us!
I've reverted back to doing ITB production and mixing here in my meager space using my RME FF800 and Cubase6. Having the ZED in his studio has worked out nicely and seeing much more use than it was getting at my place. He also has much more of a studio and equipment. The thing he lacked was that analog console centerpiece that the ZED has filled perfectly!
It worked out great having a friend and space where I can continue to use and record.
I agree the ZEDR16 has the same analog guts, preamps, EQ and I'm sure the GSR24 sounds identical except for maybe those tube channels.
With the 32 channels of A/D/A on the GSR as far as I know I think you are correct with those being the same also. The ZEDR16 uses (2) 8 channel A/D/A chipsets and then the single 2 channel I/O chip for the Mains channels 17/18.
From the GearSlutz converter list thread:
A&H ZEDR16 A/D CS5368, D/A Burr-Brown PCM1404 and Main I/O CS4271. I didn't see an entry for the GSR. Maybe someone will find out??
It would make sense that A&H could easily be using (4) of those 8 channel chipsets for it's 32 channel I/O FW bus. That would make for a nice design.

[Sen]

I'm still amazed at the lack of mentioning the motorized analog faders on this mixer from people who have bought it or considering buying it. That feature must be a sizeable chunk of the cost of this mixer, and a feature that has been missing for such a long time with these "new" project studio mixers. I too agree that the price is a bit overinflated, but to be able to do your OTB mixes with ability to insert your outboard BEFORE automating your levels in analog domain is just so valuable.
As I've heard, from a couple of people who have ordered/bought these, some great deals (considering how high the recommended retail price is) can be had.

[djmukilteo]

I'm wondering how many of these units have actually even been delivered?
I mean this is not the sort of machine that 10,000 Gearslutz members are going to have in their hands to begin with and then post comments and audio clips....maybe we should start a count....
So far we have:
mrseuss
Richmask41
MasterCrab
Nick Adams
TrackLab

I may have missed somebody going back through the posts but as far as posting Gearslutz are concerned I think that's it so far.
I hope more GSR owners will post pics and clips!

[Sen]

I'm sure there have been a few more than that..not every studio owner/audio engineer/hobbyist is a GS member, but I do agree there might not be too many, the biggest reason being the price probably..?? would love to know how satisfied A&H are witht hesales so far..

[djmukilteo]

I agree, more people not on GS have bought this, I'm sure that's the case.
I only went back a few pages here, so it was just an indication of reporting GS owners so far.
It hasn't been out that long either, so there may be more adding their names to the list.
Looking forward to more owner reports, pics and audio samples.

[MasterCrab]

well, we are still tracking our band's stuff, so i haven't started mixing yet.

I've done one small project which was a one night song. (compose, track and mix) and on that i only used some very basic automation in the DAW.
This was actually the first project that i've done entirely on the GSR.

I could post is here, so you can listen. But i have to warn you that i'm
using it in my home studio, and it was done quickly... So if i would have
done it for real it would sound much better.. What i really mean is that i don't know how much my mix does the GSR justice, but..

I tried the motorized faders and they were really great, but so far i haven't
used them once for controlling the DAW on a "real" project.. So it seems
a bit silly to have bought the M-model, but once i get mixing the "analog automation" is going to be a great feature.

Also i haven't really found any practical use for the MIDI rotaries and the two faders.. If anyone (maybe a R16 user) has any ideas i'm open
for suggestions.

Overall i still feel it's really great and everything i record through it sounds
better than through my setup before the GSR. I simply love the flexibility and how easy it is to use.

I agree that the prize was a lot, but i was drooling for the R16 before it came out, and when i read that a bigger version, with most of the stuff
i though the R16 lacked fixed, i just had to have it.

[TrackLab]

in the manual it sates that the power supply is actually packed separately, so i think it that it probably does come with it when you purchase it.

Originally Posted by Crux

you need to buy a module made specifically for it. power supply is NOT included.

[TrackLab]

hey guys,

i thought i will let you know that i 'might' be receiving the R24m in a couple of weeks [hopefully] with the firewire card installed.

i dont think i would be able to set it up until my studio space is finished being built as my whole place has gone through a reno.

so it might be some time to wait on this, unless someone else who has it can also share photos, clips or even a video with us, but will gladly post some photos/some audio clips when i am able to.

[Crux]

Originally Posted by TrackLab

in the manual it sates that the power supply is actually packed separately, so i think it that it probably does come with it when you purchase it.

i've confirmed this with more than 1 retailer that the power supply is not included and carries a cost of roughly 1500 bucks. I made a stink about it when i found out because a&h were trying to market this board as a 10 000 dollar board, which it is, if you don't want to turn it on or purchase the analogue or digital cards to go with it.

[TrackLab]

dude, i would be a little guttered if the retailers or A&H dont work out something there, it doesnt make sense that they would do this..
do you have a link at all to share of where this power supply is sold?

Originally Posted by Crux

i've confirmed this with more than 1 retailer that the power supply is not included and carries a cost of roughly 1500 bucks. I made a stink about it when i found out because a&h were trying to market this board as a 10 000 dollar board, which it is, if you don't want to turn it on or purchase the analogue or digital cards to go with it.

[Capel]

Originally Posted by Crux

i've confirmed this with more than 1 retailer that the power supply is not included and carries a cost of roughly 1500 bucks. I made a stink about it when i found out because a&h were trying to market this board as a 10 000 dollar board, which it is, if you don't want to turn it on or purchase the analogue or digital cards to go with it.

It may just be the wholesalers ca$hing in where you are - can't talk for TAG (the aussie distributors), but I know the aussie distributor for Randall amplifiers used to remove the modules that came with the MTS amplifiers & sell them at AU$500 each (there's usually 3 per amp - & the amp's useless withput them!!)... I'd be asking the question, or asking the question of Mike next time he's on here

[TrackLab]

hmm.. this does not sound good..
i would be very disappointed with the retailer and might even be close to canx an order if the power supply does come with it. I am sure many would feel the same.. i will ask the place i am ordering it from and see what they say. i will not be happy spending an extra 1500 for a power supply when the board is at the price it is at.

Originally Posted by Capel

It may just be the wholesalers ca$hing in where you are - can't talk for TAG (the aussie distributors), but I know the aussie distributor for Randall amplifiers used to remove the modules that came with the MTS amplifiers & sell them at AU$500 each (there's usually 3 per amp - & the amp's useless withput them!!)... I'd be asking the question, or asking the question of Mike next time he's on here

[yaren]

Originally Posted by T1M0N

Hi Gordon,

thanks for that. The same setup would be possible with the EQ in the recording chain, but it still doesn't fix the punch-in problem. I want to play back the recorded material from tape :-) and the musicians playing along should hear themselves performing and at the same time hear the playback (until I hit record). There is no mode on the board that sends both the "tape" input and the channel input to the fader, so the solution is simple when the interface has direct monitoring (which every interface has). So I guess the easy form of the question would have been if the firewire card for the gs r24 also has this feature, and because it doesn't I will buy two Motu 24 I/Os along with it.

Thanks for all your efforts.

hey thanks for all this info its been great reading this stuff and going along with this thread.. after back on here from afew months i just need to ask if the toft atb will infact have this possibilty of sending the tape input and the channel input to the fader...

thankyou sluts

[Deltones]

Originally Posted by Capel

It may just be the wholesalers ca$hing in where you are

Nope, it's not the wholeseller. Same story in my neck of the Canadian wood. The power supply is a separate item and carries a price tag of $1500 or so. As for Mike, he did state previously that the PS was a separate item.

Some vendors may offer the console and the PS as a package though. But rest assured that the price you'll be quoted will have the PS price included.

[Sen]

If Mike from A&H reads this or anyone affiliated with the company, I'd love to know what the price tag would be on this mixer without DAW control and FW interface. So basically, an analog board with motorised faders that would be controlled by your DAW automation.
This would be an ideal setup for so many people that already own decent converters/interface, use their DAW only as a recorder and would mix OTB on a mixer with fader automation.
Thanks.

[MasterCrab]

Originally Posted by Sen

If Mike from A&H reads this or anyone affiliated with the company, I'd love to know what the price tag would be on this mixer without DAW control and FW interface. So basically, an analog board with motorised faders that would be controlled by your DAW automation.
This would be an ideal setup for so many people that already own decent converters/interface, use their DAW only as a recorder and would mix OTB on a mixer with fader automation.
Thanks.

That's the GSR24M with the analog card. If i get what you're asking for.

And the stuff about the PSU has been discussed a few pages back. When i
bought mine i payed for the console + interface card + PSU. The main point with the separately sold PSU is that most high-end consoles are sold
like that and it makes it possible for the consumer to buy a separate PSU
for live work or something.

To me it was quite clear from the beginning that the PSU is sold separately. I think it says on A&H's website that the interface cards and PSU
are sold separately. Wouldn't blame A&H about it..

[YULOGY]

Have ordered mine and was sure to check about the Power supply which was included in the original price I was quoted.
Great deal on the console with motorised faders, firewire card, and obviously power supply
I ooooonly wish, (looking back on the old GS3000) that they had incorporated a few more of that consoles features. Would much prefer if it had 8 groups for OTB mixing, would have liked full length LED's on the groups.... Would have been cool if there was a 32 channel version of this also. I am sure 24 will be enough for most people, and at a squeeze I'm sure I'll make it work, but 32 would be just perfect for an OTB mix!
Anyway, I'm sure I'll love it when it arrives, been waiting on it a while now!

[YULOGY]

Wow, just went back a page or 2 and theres soooo much confusion about this board....
For the record, I am getting mine brand box new from an Australian Retailer shipped from UK, motorised faders, firewire card, and power supply for $10,000 AUD.
So the US price I would imagine to be roughly the same, maybe even less.
I even found a direct source in the UK who was prepared to ship to AUS for $9500 all inclusive, it just worked out better for me to go Aussie retailer.
I've had mine on order for over a month and the suppliers are waiting on a big shipment of GS-R24's so I imagine it's a similar situation worldwide. A lucky few probably managed to get the first run, and the rest of us are waiting on the next shipment.
'Tracklab' who posted on the previous page just informed me he's put a deposit on the floor model GS-R24M at our local retailer including the firewire card and power supply for a similar price, so congrats to him!
I also want to say, I've been in contact with Allen Heath customer support already several times just to gather information about what I'm needing to set up this thing (extra cables, what the connectors are etc.) and they've been very quick to respond and very helpful.
In faaaaact, on request they even provided me the specs (CAD design i think...) to get moulded wooden sides made for the console to replace the stock plastic ones.
See this picture:
http://audiobeef.com/wp-content/uplo...R24_proto2.jpg

[Sen]

Originally Posted by MasterCrab

That's the GSR24M with the analog card. If i get what you're asking for.
And the stuff about the PSU has been discussed a few pages back. When i
bought mine i payed for the console + interface card + PSU. The main point with the separately sold PSU is that most high-end consoles are sold
like that and it makes it possible for the consumer to buy a separate PSU
for live work or something.

To me it was quite clear from the beginning that the PSU is sold separately. I think it says on A&H's website that the interface cards and PSU
are sold separately. Wouldn't blame A&H about it..

minus the DAW controller

[AlienHealth]

Originally Posted by Sen

If Mike from A&H reads this or anyone affiliated with the company, I'd love to know what the price tag would be on this mixer without DAW control and FW interface. So basically, an analog board with motorised faders that would be controlled by your DAW automation.
This would be an ideal setup for so many people that already own decent converters/interface, use their DAW only as a recorder and would mix OTB on a mixer with fader automation.
Thanks.

Hi Sen,
To be honest very little parts cost difference because if you're keeping the moving faders, they are the expensive bit! The channel MIDI switches are actually the channel solo switches so you still need those, so the only saving would be the rotary controllers and the few MIDI switches in the master section.
I do however think that the mixer and an output interface would make a stonking live recording or tracking product. This would be less expensive, but it wouldn't be a studio product. More of a live recording/venue install product.
Don't forget you can get the GS-R24 without moving faders and with the lower cost option of the analogue module.

Hope that helps,
Cheers,
Mike.

[TrackLab]

just wanted to let you guys know that i contacted my retailer and he confirmed the power supply comes with the unit, so hopefully i should be picking up the unit with power supply and firewire card next week.

so those who might be paying extra for the power supply are maybe getting taken for a ride, discuss this with your retailers as they might actually throw it in with the sale.

Originally Posted by Crux

i've confirmed this with more than 1 retailer that the power supply is not included and carries a cost of roughly 1500 bucks. I made a stink about it when i found out because a&h were trying to market this board as a 10 000 dollar board, which it is, if you don't want to turn it on or purchase the analogue or digital cards to go with it.

[Adlen]

Originally Posted by TrackLab

so those who might be paying extra for the power supply are maybe getting taken for a ride, discuss this with your retailers as they might actually throw it in with the sale.

There was a big debate about selling the power supply separately a few pages back... yes it's good to offer it separately to the desk as a spare or replacement but surely the options should be desk+psu as one item and psu as another?! Or Thomann should do one of those bundle deals they always do with the desk and psu so as to avoid confusion! </rant>

[_Jochen]

Hello,

I think about purchasing the GSR-24M and use it with Cubase.


I was spending my day thinking about the possible workflow and the possibility of total-recall. I think I got the answer and would like to share it - because probably someone has found an easier way

Recording into Cubase:
That´s the easy part. Each Chanel can be routed Pre/ or Post-EQ into the DAW. Monitoring directly with the GSR is possible.

Mixing and creating a close-to-total-recall-situation:
In the manual I take a look at routing-figure Nr. 8. (A+B pressed)

Let´s do an example with a 1 track-recording. On track 1 we have recorded a voice. We send track 1 - as it is - pre EQ into a GSR-Chanel. We use the GSR-EQ and send the signal back to the DAW - into a new track ("Voice-Mix-track"). We push the "Listen-button" of this track and route the signal to the main-mix-bus of the daw.
Now we can use all our plug-ins and sends inside our DAW with this "Voice-Mix-Track", that still contains no recording.
On the GSR we have to mute the Chanel (so there is no duplicate signal on the main-out). On the other hand we can use the fader to control the volume of the "voice-mix-track".

Once we are happy with our mix, I would record the "Voice-Mix-Track" to create my recall-Situation.

If there is a need to adjust volume, EQ or anything else, I have the EQed Signal. So it´s easy to adjust Plug-Ins or send-levels. I even can EQ the original again, if necessary.

Probably you found a better workflow with the desk?

best regards
Jochen

[Sen]

Originally Posted by _Jochen

Probably you found a better workflow with the desk?

best regards
Jochen

yes..
use the cubase as a recorder only. Send everything out to the desk, insert your outboard processors, automate your levels and let the faders fly .
Sit back and enjoy.
record the 2 track output back inot your DAW or a separate master machine.

[MasterCrab]

I record everything to cubase through the GSR24. And when tracking, i just
send everything in the DAW to the master in cubase which i route to the
GSR24 through channels 31/32, which is the DIGI MASTER which has it's
own level knob.

Sometimes i have the vocals routed out through say channel 15/16 (B pressed), so i can have my outboard reverb on the vocals. I do some
mixing in cubase with plug-ins, just to get a good enough feeling
when recording.

Then once i have all the raw tracks the way i want them, i send everything
out through different channels. So far the channels have been enough. Though i've sent snare top and bottom to the same channel.

And once i'm finished with my mix, using both plug-ins and outboard. I record
the master two track from the GSR24 back in to Cubase.

I save different versions of the project and once the mix is finished i take
photos of my outboard settings, which i include in the project folder.

Not near total recall, but good enough for me. Haven't had to recall a project yet. Hope i never won't!

[_Jochen]

Hi,

ok so you are all mixing OTB without the need for recall.

I have to admit that I need recall - because even after weeks I discover that (lets say the voice) should be a little bit louder...

Of course next year I will invest into new speakers (ADAM S3x-H (now mixing on P11A)), but at least in the meantime there is the need to recall a mix. Anyway. I think my solution (2 threads ago) could work.

Cheers
Jochen

[Sledge81]

Originally Posted by YULOGY

Wow, just went back a page or 2 and theres soooo much confusion about this board....
For the record, I am getting mine brand box new from an Australian Retailer shipped from UK, motorised faders, firewire card, and power supply for $10,000 AUD.
So the US price I would imagine to be roughly the same, maybe even less.
I even found a direct source in the UK who was prepared to ship to AUS for $9500 all inclusive, it just worked out better for me to go Aussie retailer.

May I be so bold as to ask where you are getting these prices from Yulogy?? I got quoted $14,500 AUS from TAG.

Cheers,
Sledge

[Nick Adams]

if i'm reading this correctly it looks like you can buy some software which will recall the eq settings?

http://jof.org.uk/shop/5-allen-a-hea...24-recall.html

has anyone had experience with this yet? and does anyone know of similar versions for a mac?

[stevelindsay]

Originally Posted by Sledge81

May I be so bold as to ask where you are getting these prices from Yulogy?? I got quoted $14,500 AUS from TAG.

Cheers,
Sledge

Also interested to know this.....

[YULOGY]

Originally Posted by Sledge81

May I be so bold as to ask where you are getting these prices from Yulogy?? I got quoted $14,500 AUS from TAG.

Cheers,
Sledge

Yeah you're getting ripped off!
Pm me.