Allen & Heath Zed GSR24 - Page 3

Banks · 7th November 2009

Maybe usb 3.0 instead of fw? Of course, usb 3.0 should be tested for audio, first,
but it would be better than firewire.

Adlen · 8th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banks

Maybe usb 3.0 instead of fw? Of course, usb 3.0 should be tested for audio, first,
but it would be better than firewire.

Then we have the issue that older computers may be equipped with Firewire but not USB 3.0.

pjk · 10th November 2009

The r16 looked great quality but the lack of solo in place (as with the rest of the zed range ? and all but the most expensive gl series ? ) and atleast one stereo analogue group was a deal breaker for me. No offense intended but I cant understand a mixer layout (live or recording) that doesnt allow you to solo channels (without muting everything else) but im assuming they employ a similar function of isolating the channels by a PFL or AFL but i dont know as it is surely a prerequisite before DAW features are considered because without it the desks usability when only working in analogue ( live, rehearsals, adat mixing) is limited for eq adjustments but im not a live sound engineer so what do i know - does seem a strange feature omission on many A & H desks - maybe Mike could explain it ? . I do however realise that the r16 was primarily intended for use with DAWs and soloing DAW channels via midi would do the same thing - compromises are hard i suppose but i certainly dont understand the omission of solo on rest of zed range or other A & H model.

Like many here the r24 would suit my needs for grouping a few analogue channels and parallels as well as having more channels and solo.

I know im way too late here Mike but id just like to say that i think atleast one pre/post fader stereo send would be good on the r24 or even better the option to use mono pair sends as stereo sends - dont know if thats easy to do but because alot of DAW sends are stereo it would be good to bring an analogue desk up to DAW spec with respect to supporting true stereo hardware Fx. I know it must add to the cost but i would like to see all sends switchable pre/post. I would also like to see more switchable pre/post sends but i think the inclusion/option of adat would be great to allow all hardware fx to be routable to adat and use them as external hardware fx inserts/sends/returns in the DAW thus freeing up board eq for channel tracks only and allowing for DAW automation of fx.

Very excited about this product as it could well end my wait for a full track count desk (on a mackie onyx fw with interface for outs at moment) with the features/options id like but it would need solo in place. I have resisted all those old decent desks floating around in the hope something like this would come along.

Thanks for listening to people around here on what they want in a mixer Mike - getting user feedback to plan a product is the only way to go, despite alot of people wanting different things, some common features definately show up as being essential.

cheers

Peter

Banks · 11th November 2009

Adlen wrote:

"Then we have the issue that older computers may be equipped with Firewire but not USB 3.0. "

You can add usb 3.0 card (pci or pci-e), which couldn't be very expensive.

Apropos Zero · 11th November 2009

Word on the hardware sites is that Intel is holding up USB 3.0 - it won't be in Intel chipsets until 2011. This will not stop some motherboard builders from incorporating 3rd party USB 3.0 chipsets or end users from installing a 3rd party card but with no Nvidia competition on chipsets it looks like we will have both PCs and Macs without USB 3 for another year.

Adlen · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banks

You can add usb 3.0 card (pci or pci-e), which couldn't be very expensive.

iMac and laptop users are screwed then. As is anyone who has filled their PCI slots. Each to their own I guess but FireWire just seems more stable to me. Tried and tested.

mr83j · 17th November 2009

How about an zed R32

Adlen · 17th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr83j

How about an zed R32

I like this idea!

Banks · 17th November 2009

Is it possible to transport 24 (or even 32) audio channels over fw 400 at once?

Adlen · 18th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banks

Is it possible to transport 24 (or even 32) audio channels over fw 400 at once?

Not sure about 400 but I know 24 can go through FW600 for fact.

SubwayRocket · 1st December 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjk

The r16 looked great quality but the lack of solo in place (as with the rest of the zed range ? and all but the most expensive gl series ? No offense intended but I cant understand a mixer layout (live or recording) that doesnt allow you to solo channels (without muting everything else) I do however realise that the r16 was primarily intended for use with DAWs and soloing DAW channels via midi would do the same thing
Like many here the r24 would suit my needs for grouping a few analogue channels and parallels as well as having more channels and solo.

Very excited about this product as it could well end my wait for a full track count desk (on a mackie onyx fw with interface for outs at moment) with the features/options id like but it would need solo in place. I have resisted all those old decent desks floating around in the hope something like this would come along.

cheers Peter

Pete, I was reading your post on the A&H firewire series boards, some of the limitations, I'm pretty sure i'm going with the Onyx 1640i (Tracking small bands) rather than the r16. I plan to "line in" half a dozen SCA pres with the Onyx also. You're using an Onyx? What do you think? I'm asking around a little before buying. I have pretty good rooms, Good Mics, HS80's. Nickthesax has some pretty good recordings, he's using a apogee ensemble and It sounds "Album Quality" to me. So, all other variables aside, you think this 1640i is capable of producing similar results or is it not in the same league as ensemble. My other direction was a Lynx Aurora 16 , with SCA pre's. But then I have no board to mix down the old way. . . and, Its alot more money, Lol !!! Thanks Much Pete

steelyfan · 1st December 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTCMP

Here's what I want...

24 XLR in

6 aux, all switchable pre/post

100 mm faders

ADAT (perhaps a option slot? ADAT or FW)

Why? this would be the perfect small live sound/recording desk for us. Just 3 ADAT cables to our HD24! No D-sub snakes with funky TRS connections. WhooHoo!

That's perfect. 8 channels of ADAt and I'm in for sure!

b808 · 1st December 2009

This is really cool!!!
IMHO it would be awesome to have more auxes that are switchable individually and not in pairs.

steelyfan · 1st December 2009

Yes, and 8 aux board would be the ticket.

Listen Allen and Heath, 24-36 channel with analog mojo in mind, yet I want to mix out of my Akai via 8 dat through the board back in the akai.
So, 24 channels, 8 channel 8 adat, 8 busses routeable anyway...not just stereo groups. I could do it with 3 group stereo busses to mix back to a two channel . Leaving 2 aux outs for sending stuff out for processing.

Make it so.

Murton · 1st December 2009

FW400 can do 32 Channels at 44.1/48kHz 24bit as seen by the Presonus Lightpipe and M-Audio Lightbridge.

A Refresh of the Lightbridge would be great or a RME Expresscard 32channel ADAT card would be great or a firewire unit like the digiface but 32 channels.

But yeah a R32 would be cool in the sense of 16 pres, 16 digital channels via a option digital slot aka the LS9-16. It would finally mean a comparable console to the LS9-16, only digitally controlled analogue. If only.

F5D · 2nd December 2009

The NAMM will be very interesting. I hope Mike will get one ready to show us. There aren't too many analog mixers intended for recording at this price point.

Rick Hoekman · 2nd December 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by F5D

The NAMM will be very interesting. I hope Mike will get one ready to show us. There aren't too many analog mixers intended for recording at this price point.

Mike is pretty awesome with responding to the requests to users here. I think what I have read over the zed16 thread he is def listening. Going for a more modular approach. Need inputs.. have that for you. Need only midi a midi controller, have that. Ofcourse have to wait to see that happening. I hope they get a sort of EuCon kind of deal with the DAW's implemented. But I think he is the kind of guy that is going to absolutly bringing that somehow. I trust him to get that going. I don't see mackie and euphonix or even tascam here so.. keep my fingers crossed! I'm I being to optimistic? Probably am.. back to moaning

rrraaalllfff · 16th December 2009

analog direct outs, 8 subgroups, and SMUX for the ADAT part would be great. Oh and wordclock.
these wishlist threads are funny

AlienHealth · 16th December 2009

Hi All,
I thought I'd better let you guys know where we are with the R24 development.
I did mention a while ago that I hoped that we'd be at least showing a working prototype at NAMM, but it's looking unlikely due to the fact we have to ship NAMM product this week and we're still testing and developing. Sorry if you are going to NAMM and expected to see it there. However, I'll be there on the A&H stand (we're launching some other new stuff) and I'll have pictures, layouts, info on the R24 & hopefully swag!
The R24 is looking very impressive - it's bigger than I expected! We're getting the automation working very well and the analogue design is pretty much complete. I'm not sure if it will be in the ZED family as it's a much bigger beast - I thought of calling it the GS-??? (we used to make a GS3000) - maybe appropriate after all the G ear S lutz input!
Pricing is a bit of a nightmare - UK metalwork and components are so expensive now it's hard to design stuff to manufacture here these days and still be competitive.
So it's taking a bit longer than originally anticipated, but I'm sure the end result will be worth the wait.
Kind regards,
Mike.

FeatheredSerpent · 16th December 2009

Thanks for the update!

Is there any chance at all you could post those photos etc up here as well, for those of us not going to namm?

You could call it the 'GS-FTW'

naakaala · 16th December 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienHealth

Hi All,
I thought I'd better let you guys know where we are with the R24 development.
I did mention a while ago that I hoped that we'd be at least showing a working prototype at NAMM, but it's looking unlikely due to the fact we have to ship NAMM product this week and we're still testing and developing. Sorry if you are going to NAMM and expected to see it there. However, I'll be there on the A&H stand (we're launching some other new stuff) and I'll have pictures, layouts, info on the R24 & hopefully swag!
The R24 is looking very impressive - it's bigger than I expected! We're getting the automation working very well and the analogue design is pretty much complete. I'm not sure if it will be in the ZED family as it's a much bigger beast - I thought of calling it the GS-??? (we used to make a GS3000) - maybe appropriate after all the G ear S lutz input!
Pricing is a bit of a nightmare - UK metalwork and components are so expensive now it's hard to design stuff to manufacture here these days and still be competitive.
So it's taking a bit longer than originally anticipated, but I'm sure the end result will be worth the wait.
Kind regards,
Mike.

Whatever you do take your time and make the best mixer on the planet. I will save and wait patiently for its release.

twentyhertz · 16th December 2009

please build it fast so used r16s start showing up in the classifieds

roc · 16th December 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienHealth

Hi All,
I thought I'd better let you guys know where we are with the R24 development.
I did mention a while ago that I hoped that we'd be at least showing a working prototype at NAMM, but it's looking unlikely due to the fact we have to ship NAMM product this week and we're still testing and developing. Sorry if you are going to NAMM and expected to see it there. However, I'll be there on the A&H stand (we're launching some other new stuff) and I'll have pictures, layouts, info on the R24 & hopefully swag!
The R24 is looking very impressive - it's bigger than I expected! We're getting the automation working very well and the analogue design is pretty much complete. I'm not sure if it will be in the ZED family as it's a much bigger beast - I thought of calling it the GS-??? (we used to make a GS3000) - maybe appropriate after all the G ear S lutz input!
Pricing is a bit of a nightmare - UK metalwork and components are so expensive now it's hard to design stuff to manufacture here these days and still be competitive.
So it's taking a bit longer than originally anticipated, but I'm sure the end result will be worth the wait.
Kind regards,
Mike.

Hey Mike thanks for keeping us informed and Can't wait to see it.
Yes, it would be cool if you could show us a little peep of a pic on GS.
I wounder how metering is going to fit in ? I'm the guy who has been begging for metering from day one. So many of the other mixers out here don't get how important that is to be able to physically see what channel
is playing. Your communication on GS is a testament of the passion you have for your work, Bravo .You should be proud of the ZED R-16, it will be a classic so let's see what you got next , .

peace

steelyfan · 16th December 2009

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienHealth

(we used to make a GS3000)

Anyway you could compare this to a GS3000? I'm STILL looking for one of these and have always wanted one, and If a could find something new with the similiar mojo I'd buy one for sure!

Could this new ZED be a GS3000 with 8 buss AND digital connectivity?

How would you compare the preamps of these two boards? I would REALLY love to here your opinion. This could be IT!

Thanks alot,
Steelyfan

Phaidon · 16th December 2009

[QUOTE=steelyfan;4894284]

Quote:

Anyway you could compare this to a GS3000? I'm STILL looking for one of these and have always wanted one, and If a could find something new with the similiar mojo I'd buy one for sure!

Could this new ZED be a GS3000 with 8 buss AND digital connectivity?

Yes,pls!

odavy · 20th December 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by twentyhertz

please build it fast so used r16s start showing up in the classifieds

Time to sell mine then

F5D · 21st December 2009

Mike, if you're gonna show some pics of the unit at NAMM, please post them here too for us! I hope you have an internet connection and 5 mins of time at the show.

Crux · 25th December 2009

i want more info on this thing!

Richmask41 · 27th December 2009

I own a GS3000 32/8/2 in Mint condition!
Fantastic desk for the money. decent pres on each channel and same with the eq
The 2 Valve pres are superb (they also have a Hi z guitar/bass DI switch which sounds lovely)

Were you the designer of the GS3000 Mike?
Is there any truth in the rumour that A&H were losing money on each GS3000 they sold as they didn't want to cut corners on componants / quality etc.

I also own a ZED 420 which i use for live work, are the preamps the same on that mixer as on the GS3000? they certainly sound the same as does the EQ (all barre the Q points)

CANNOT WAIT FOR THE R24
I might (gulps) actually sell my GS3000 to aquire one

jonnathaniel · 28th December 2009

nice to hear that!

17th November 2009	#67
mr83j Gear interested Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 14	Allen & Heath How about an zed R32

1st December 2009	#73
b808 Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northeast Florida Posts: 294	This is really cool!!! IMHO it would be awesome to have more auxes that are switchable individually and not in pairs. __________________

1st December 2009	#74
steelyfan Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,910	Yes, and 8 aux board would be the ticket. Listen Allen and Heath, 24-36 channel with analog mojo in mind, yet I want to mix out of my Akai via 8 dat through the board back in the akai. So, 24 channels, 8 channel 8 adat, 8 busses routeable anyway...not just stereo groups. I could do it with 3 group stereo busses to mix back to a two channel . Leaving 2 aux outs for sending stuff out for processing. Make it so. __________________ Oh no, I like both kinds of music.......Country and Western. Music I'm working on here: http://www.myspace.com/eucalyptuspond Paintings: http://shannonjsimmons.wordpress.com/

16th December 2009	#78
rrraaalllfff Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 302	analog direct outs, 8 subgroups, and SMUX for the ADAT part would be great. Oh and wordclock. these wishlist threads are funny __________________ Ralf Es ist nicht kaputt, es klingt nur so.

16th December 2009	#79
AlienHealth Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 238	A&H Reply: Hi All, I thought I'd better let you guys know where we are with the R24 development. I did mention a while ago that I hoped that we'd be at least showing a working prototype at NAMM, but it's looking unlikely due to the fact we have to ship NAMM product this week and we're still testing and developing. Sorry if you are going to NAMM and expected to see it there. However, I'll be there on the A&H stand (we're launching some other new stuff) and I'll have pictures, layouts, info on the R24 & hopefully swag! The R24 is looking very impressive - it's bigger than I expected! We're getting the automation working very well and the analogue design is pretty much complete. I'm not sure if it will be in the ZED family as it's a much bigger beast - I thought of calling it the GS-??? (we used to make a GS3000) - maybe appropriate after all the G ear S lutz input! Pricing is a bit of a nightmare - UK metalwork and components are so expensive now it's hard to design stuff to manufacture here these days and still be competitive. So it's taking a bit longer than originally anticipated, but I'm sure the end result will be worth the wait. Kind regards, Mike. __________________ ALLEN&HEATH t: +44 (0)1326 372070 f: +44 (0)1326 377097 w: www.allen-heath.com

7th November 2009	#61
Banks Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Croatia Posts: 66	Maybe usb 3.0 instead of fw? Of course, usb 3.0 should be tested for audio, first, but it would be better than firewire.

10th November 2009	#63
pjk Gear Head Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 67	The r16 looked great quality but the lack of solo in place (as with the rest of the zed range ? and all but the most expensive gl series ? ) and atleast one stereo analogue group was a deal breaker for me. No offense intended but I cant understand a mixer layout (live or recording) that doesnt allow you to solo channels (without muting everything else) but im assuming they employ a similar function of isolating the channels by a PFL or AFL but i dont know as it is surely a prerequisite before DAW features are considered because without it the desks usability when only working in analogue ( live, rehearsals, adat mixing) is limited for eq adjustments but im not a live sound engineer so what do i know - does seem a strange feature omission on many A & H desks - maybe Mike could explain it ? . I do however realise that the r16 was primarily intended for use with DAWs and soloing DAW channels via midi would do the same thing - compromises are hard i suppose but i certainly dont understand the omission of solo on rest of zed range or other A & H model. Like many here the r24 would suit my needs for grouping a few analogue channels and parallels as well as having more channels and solo. I know im way too late here Mike but id just like to say that i think atleast one pre/post fader stereo send would be good on the r24 or even better the option to use mono pair sends as stereo sends - dont know if thats easy to do but because alot of DAW sends are stereo it would be good to bring an analogue desk up to DAW spec with respect to supporting true stereo hardware Fx. I know it must add to the cost but i would like to see all sends switchable pre/post. I would also like to see more switchable pre/post sends but i think the inclusion/option of adat would be great to allow all hardware fx to be routable to adat and use them as external hardware fx inserts/sends/returns in the DAW thus freeing up board eq for channel tracks only and allowing for DAW automation of fx. Very excited about this product as it could well end my wait for a full track count desk (on a mackie onyx fw with interface for outs at moment) with the features/options id like but it would need solo in place. I have resisted all those old decent desks floating around in the hope something like this would come along. Thanks for listening to people around here on what they want in a mixer Mike - getting user feedback to plan a product is the only way to go, despite alot of people wanting different things, some common features definately show up as being essential. cheers Peter

11th November 2009	#64
Banks Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Croatia Posts: 66	Adlen wrote: "Then we have the issue that older computers may be equipped with Firewire but not USB 3.0. " You can add usb 3.0 card (pci or pci-e), which couldn't be very expensive.

11th November 2009	#65
Apropos Zero Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3	Word on the hardware sites is that Intel is holding up USB 3.0 - it won't be in Intel chipsets until 2011. This will not stop some motherboard builders from incorporating 3rd party USB 3.0 chipsets or end users from installing a 3rd party card but with no Nvidia competition on chipsets it looks like we will have both PCs and Macs without USB 3 for another year.

1st December 2009	#75
Murton Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 289	FW400 can do 32 Channels at 44.1/48kHz 24bit as seen by the Presonus Lightpipe and M-Audio Lightbridge. A Refresh of the Lightbridge would be great or a RME Expresscard 32channel ADAT card would be great or a firewire unit like the digiface but 32 channels. But yeah a R32 would be cool in the sense of 16 pres, 16 digital channels via a option digital slot aka the LS9-16. It would finally mean a comparable console to the LS9-16, only digitally controlled analogue. If only.

2nd December 2009	#76
F5D Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 713	The NAMM will be very interesting. I hope Mike will get one ready to show us. There aren't too many analog mixers intended for recording at this price point.

16th December 2009	#80
FeatheredSerpent Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,442	Thanks for the update! Is there any chance at all you could post those photos etc up here as well, for those of us not going to namm? You could call it the 'GS-FTW' __________________ "No, I'm playing all the right notes, just not necessarily in the right order"

16th December 2009	#82
twentyhertz Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 271	please build it fast so used r16s start showing up in the classifieds

21st December 2009	#87
F5D Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 713	Mike, if you're gonna show some pics of the unit at NAMM, please post them here too for us! I hope you have an internet connection and 5 mins of time at the show.

25th December 2009	#88
Crux Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 181	i want more info on this thing!

27th December 2009	#89
Richmask41 Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: England Posts: 68	I own a GS3000 32/8/2 in Mint condition! Fantastic desk for the money. decent pres on each channel and same with the eq The 2 Valve pres are superb (they also have a Hi z guitar/bass DI switch which sounds lovely) Were you the designer of the GS3000 Mike? Is there any truth in the rumour that A&H were losing money on each GS3000 they sold as they didn't want to cut corners on componants / quality etc. I also own a ZED 420 which i use for live work, are the preamps the same on that mixer as on the GS3000? they certainly sound the same as does the EQ (all barre the Q points) CANNOT WAIT FOR THE R24 I might (gulps) actually sell my GS3000 to aquire one

28th December 2009	#90
jonnathaniel Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: United States Of Europe Posts: 112	nice to hear that!

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