SSL X-Desk - Page 4

staudio · 28th March 2009

I almost don't care what it is. For $2500 dollars it sure would look sexy in the rack.

jindrich · 28th March 2009

Funny how some around here would be happy paying up to 3k for a single compressor or preamp and complain that this new SSL puppy at under 2k doesn't include EQs on every channel

I think it's a great product for its target market and a great little swiss-army-knife type of tool for many applications. If the pots, metal, circuitry and sound are up to SSL specs, this little thing will be worth it for its center section alone.

An 8ch mixer with st cue+2fx sends and 100mm faders, pre/post direct outs, inserts, ALT inputs, SSL's "CH-in CH-out" path for simultaneous tracking and DAW monitoring (guess from the pictures), sends and returns with AFL and a pretty decent master section with talkback, all with the SSL pedigree for under 2k? Not too bad.

Jamzone · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudioWarehouse

One could ..... however SuperAnalogue is THE word here.

You're right about that one... SSL and OTHER gear in love with each other is the thing. That's the reason! Hopefully this will be the answer!!

AudioWarehouse · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by jindrich

Audiowarehouse,
can the Cue section be used also as a secondary input (8+8) to the mix? (one switch is for "post" what does the other do?)
.

Sorry I'm asleep ... it's 3.14 am in Ireland you know.

DSpec1 · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Can you PM me about this?

Coyoteous · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudioWarehouse

Sorry I'm asleep ... it's 3.14 am in Ireland you know.

Dude, you must really be excited about selling some of these... getting one or more for yourself, or both.

I'm guessing you've posted more in one day than you have in the last few months combined!

DSpec1 · 28th March 2009

NO ONE, I repeat, no one is more excited than I!! (Well, maybe there is...).

I have already budgeted for this....

AudioWarehouse · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coyoteous

Dude, you must really be excited about selling some of these... getting one or more for yourself, or both.

I'm guessing you've posted more in one day than you have in the last few months combined!

Yes! Well I think it's an important product. What else can you buy that's built to the same spec as a Duality and sounds as good as one, with faders, for under 2k?

TEMAS · 28th March 2009

What do the knobs in the top right corner do? Are they all for the aux sends or are there any return paths there as well?

AudioWarehouse · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEMAS

What do the knobs in the top right corner do? Are they all for the aux sends or are there any return paths there as well?

Important stuff ....

I've said all I will or Jim will have me beheaded by the Audio Knights of Begbroke ...

All revealed (and more!) on Wednesday ...

mécanique · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEMAS
What do the knobs in the top right corner do? Are they all for the aux sends or are there any return paths there as well?

Assignable inserts? That would be something.

Svens · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by jindrich

can the Cue section be used also as a secondary input (8+8) to the mix? (one switch is for "post" what does the other do?)

Yes, like you can route input b to the stereocue on a matrix. 8+8, + 2 stereo aux returns makes 20. at least....it looks ike that. There is an "alt" switch at the input section....

Post....maybe direct outputs on the back?

Also an Ipod input (mini-jack) on the right side if i'm right....

markus enochson · 28th March 2009

hotness

Savernake · 28th March 2009

Looks like the rack ears could come off so you can have it on your desk if you need.

jamwerks · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudioWarehouse

What else can you buy that's built to the same spec as a Duality and sounds as good as one, with faders, for under 2k?

Do you mean that is has the same transistors and op amp in the signal path as the Duality? That would be almost too good to be true !

TEMAS · 28th March 2009

How many rack units is it? 6, 7 or 8?

jindrich · 28th March 2009

**disclaimer. not all of this is confirmed**

so here it is, In Brief:

New compact and very flexible, high quality SSL "Superanalogue" mixer.

Per Channel:
Two selectable line-level inputs, level gain with peak, balanced insert point, pre/post direct out, stereo CUE, 2 FX sends and 100mm fader

Master section includes:
-master sends for the CUE and FX, all with AFL
-2 stereo returns with level+pan, mono and AFL switches, routable to CUE (FXed cue) and MIX
-Rotary master fader, master insert point with sum
-Talkback mic with level
-Monitoring section with st external input, Dim with level, CUT and mono. Stereo LED meters
-Phones out selects between main monitoring and artist send (CUE). iPod input

In use. Tracking:
Ext preamp outputs go into each channel's main line level inputs, where level is adjusted via a gain pot and a selectable insert point can be thrown into the path for external comp/eq. From there the direct output sends the signal to tape, either pre or post fader, the latter for fader riding to tape if desired. Channel's signal is then sent to artists via a pre fader stereo CUE, and thru the fader+pan to the monitoring mix. FX returns can be routed to CUE so wet vocals can be sent to phones.
DAW returns can be connected to the channel's 2nd input, wich can be put into the channel's path (either/or) by a simple switch, allowing quick source/tape comparisons and tracking to mixing mode changes.

In use. Mixing:
DAW returns go into the main path, with available insert point for ext comp/eqs. 2 FX sends available per ch. ST CUE can be set post father for further sends as well as the direct out, either pre/post, also used for additional (external) routing if required.
Each channel's ST CUE section (Pan+Level) can be fed from the unused input in every channel, thus doubling the total amount of available inputs as the master CUE send can be routed to the mix on the master section.
Two stereo fx returns are summed to the mix and the main mix has an insert point for st mix comp/eq, which can be not just inserted but also summed (read parallel compression), or as addtitional external st input.
Monitoring (2 selectable speaker outputs) can be made out of a mix of internal and external inputs, and there are controls to dim, mute and mono the mix. iPod input also available to monitors.

All pretty much after usual SSL flexibility. For the first time, at this quality level, at an unprecedent price point.

jamwerks · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEMAS

How many rack units is it? 6, 7 or 8?

Probably 6

AudioWarehouse · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEMAS

How many rack units is it? 6, 7 or 8?

It's not 6 or 8

TEMAS · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by jindrich

In use. Mixing:
DAW returns go into the main path, with available insert point for ext comp/eqs. 2 FX sends available per ch. ST CUE can be set post father for further sends as well as the direct out, either pre/post, also used for additional (external) routing if required.
(Not confirmed) Each channel's ST CUE section (Pan+Level) can be fed from the unused input in every channel, thus doubling the total amount of available inputs as the master CUE send can be routed to the mix on the master section.
Two stereo fx returns are summed to the mix and the main mix has an insert point for st mix comp/eq, which can be not just inserted but also summed (read parallel compression), or as addtitional external st input.
Monitoring (2 selectable speaker outputs?) can be made out of a mix of internal and external inputs, and there are controls to dim, mute and mono the mix. iPod input also available to monitors.

If you're right about this, then my search for an analogue mixer is over and I can actually start building the frame for my new console.

Brad McGowan · 28th March 2009

There will be likely be other products released over the next year with similar if not more functionality (6 aux sends!) for less money. So don't go blowing your tax refunds just yet. That's all I'm saying.

Brad

AudioWarehouse · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad McGowan

There will be likely be other products released over the next year with similar if not more functionality (6 aux sends!) for less money. So don't go blowing your tax refunds just yet. That's all I'm saying.

Brad

Based on what info Brad?

TEMAS · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad McGowan

There will be likely be other products released over the next year with similar if not more functionality (6 aux sends!) for less money. So don't go blowing your tax refunds just yet. That's all I'm saying.

Brad

Hey, how did you know I just got a tax refund !!

AudioWarehouse · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad McGowan

There will be likely be other products released over the next year with similar if not more functionality (6 aux sends!) for less money. So don't go blowing your tax refunds just yet. That's all I'm saying.

Brad

Brad,

If you stop one person from buying an X-Desk by your post you're reducing Jim's commission check ....

(and possibly mine)

The least you can do is back up your statement with facts?

Brad McGowan · 28th March 2009

Nope I really can't.

It's not too hard to see that people are getting back into consoles. There is a revival afoot. So if you are not in a rush just wait to see what happens.

I'm sure this new X-Desk will sell like hotcakes...it looks really purty. It will be in all those studios that have U87's, Avalons, and Digi002's.

Brad

AudioWarehouse · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad McGowan

Nope I really can't.

Ok so ... let the Tax refund spending resume ...

gainreduction · 28th March 2009

Automation ?

AudioWarehouse · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by gainreduction

Automation ?

Special Automation related to the combined movement of Distal Phalanges, Intermediate Phalanges and Proximal Phalanges moving the Alps faders ...

work2do · 28th March 2009

People want the world for $2k.

SSL should at least give you the empty X-rack for free if you fill it up with modules. The price for that empty box is way too much. If u want 8 channels of x-rack eqs and comps plus the fader pack u talking around $19000. If you want 16 channels you mine as well get a used aws900.

With all that said I would buy 16 channels of this X-Desk though to come OTB with after I hear one since they are cascadable.

AudioWarehouse · 28th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by konkaos

People want the world for $2k.

If u want 8 channels of x-rack eqs and comps plus the fader pack u talking around $19000. If you want 16 channels you mine as well get a used aws900.

Yes, this is for people who don't ...

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jindrich Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Palma+Stuttgart Posts: 1,599	disclaimer. not all of this is confirmed so here it is, In Brief: New compact and very flexible, high quality SSL "Superanalogue" mixer. Per Channel: Two selectable line-level inputs, level gain with peak, balanced insert point, pre/post direct out, stereo CUE, 2 FX sends and 100mm fader Master section includes: -master sends for the CUE and FX, all with AFL -2 stereo returns with level+pan, mono and AFL switches, routable to CUE (FXed cue) and MIX -Rotary master fader, master insert point with sum -Talkback mic with level -Monitoring section with st external input, Dim with level, CUT and mono. Stereo LED meters -Phones out selects between main monitoring and artist send (CUE). iPod input In use. Tracking: Ext preamp outputs go into each channel's main line level inputs, where level is adjusted via a gain pot and a selectable insert point can be thrown into the path for external comp/eq. From there the direct output sends the signal to tape, either pre or post fader, the latter for fader riding to tape if desired. Channel's signal is then sent to artists via a pre fader stereo CUE, and thru the fader+pan to the monitoring mix. FX returns can be routed to CUE so wet vocals can be sent to phones. DAW returns can be connected to the channel's 2nd input, wich can be put into the channel's path (either/or) by a simple switch, allowing quick source/tape comparisons and tracking to mixing mode changes. In use. Mixing: DAW returns go into the main path, with available insert point for ext comp/eqs. 2 FX sends available per ch. ST CUE can be set post father for further sends as well as the direct out, either pre/post, also used for additional (external) routing if required. Each channel's ST CUE section (Pan+Level) can be fed from the unused input in every channel, thus doubling the total amount of available inputs as the master CUE send can be routed to the mix on the master section. Two stereo fx returns are summed to the mix and the main mix has an insert point for st mix comp/eq, which can be not just inserted but also summed (read parallel compression), or as addtitional external st input. Monitoring (2 selectable speaker outputs) can be made out of a mix of internal and external inputs, and there are controls to dim, mute and mono the mix. iPod input also available to monitors. All pretty much after usual SSL flexibility. For the first time, at this quality level, at an unprecedent price point. Attached Thumbnails

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staudio Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 1,331	I almost don't care what it is. For $2500 dollars it sure would look sexy in the rack.

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DSpec1 Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 447	NO ONE, I repeat, no one is more excited than I!! (Well, maybe there is...). I have already budgeted for this....

28th March 2009	#99
TEMAS Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 1,434	What do the knobs in the top right corner do? Are they all for the aux sends or are there any return paths there as well?

28th March 2009	#103
markus enochson Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: stockholm, sweden Posts: 497	hotness

28th March 2009	#106
TEMAS Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 1,434	How many rack units is it? 6, 7 or 8?

28th March 2009	#115
Brad McGowan Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 5,525	Nope I really can't. It's not too hard to see that people are getting back into consoles. There is a revival afoot. So if you are not in a rush just wait to see what happens. I'm sure this new X-Desk will sell like hotcakes...it looks really purty. It will be in all those studios that have U87's, Avalons, and Digi002's. Brad

28th March 2009	#117
gainreduction Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,377	Automation ?

28th March 2009	#119
work2do Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,492	People want the world for $2k. SSL should at least give you the empty X-rack for free if you fill it up with modules. The price for that empty box is way too much. If u want 8 channels of x-rack eqs and comps plus the fader pack u talking around $19000. If you want 16 channels you mine as well get a used aws900. With all that said I would buy 16 channels of this X-Desk though to come OTB with after I hear one since they are cascadable.